Probably the fist one. I mean, not much else it could be.
Awesome suspension, that thing can probably fly over rough terrain. Also at the guy saying the Abrams would beat the CR2 in a mass engagement due to it's speed, maybe if they were fighting on a flat concrete surface, but offroad, the CR2 is the fastest tank in the world.
[QUOTE=LordLoss;20982180]but offroad, the CR2 is the fastest tank in the world.[/QUOTE]
Actually, other tanks like the Leclerc and T-80 can go faster cross-country. (48km/h for the T-80, 55km/h for the Leclerc) Even the M1 with its gas guzzling engine can go as fast as a T-80 off-road.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;20981893]Leaning around cover? v:downs:v[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/World+Leaders+Attend+First+Day+UN+General+CPI-U1gnSWGl.jpg[/img]
Unbalanced for lean.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;20982377]Actually, other tanks like the Leclerc and T-80 can go faster cross-country. (48km/h for the T-80, 55km/h for the Leclerc) Even the M1 with its gas guzzling engine can go as fast as a T-80 off-road.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm, so the Army has been chatting shit to me then? The bastards :v:
[QUOTE=LordLoss;20982466]Hmmm, so the Army has been chatting shit to me then? The bastards :v:[/QUOTE]
Of course they have, propaganda and morale.
My Javelin beats your Tank.
[img]http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3031/medium/Javelin%20AntiTank1.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=ole johan;20982137]Probably demonstrating some hydraulic pimpass motherfucking tilt system making it easier to climb obstructions.
Or it's just a flat tire, what would I know? :v:[/QUOTE]
Probably compensation for weight and terrain.
The type 10 has a hydropneumatic suspension which means it can vary it to better bypass certain obstacles and level itself on uneven ground.
Good system, but prone to failures and less reliable than a torsion bar.
[QUOTE=Linelor;20984755]The type 10 has a hydropneumatic suspension which means it can vary it to better bypass certain obstacles and level itself on uneven ground.
Good system, but prone to failures and less reliable than a torsion bar.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Linelor, I figured it was something like that.
Wouldn't the Javelin beat all tanks since no army has taken the time to armor the top of their turret?
pretty much
[QUOTE=Wake;20986185]Wouldn't the Javelin beat all tanks since no army has taken the time to armor the top of their turret?[/QUOTE]
Mechanistically, yes. But remember, main battle tanks will rarely fight as a homogeneous formation of just tanks. It is by the use of combined arms that you don't see your tanks getting blasted to hell by enemy CAS and ATGMs. It took the Israelis some time to learn that back in 1973.
Besides, there are APS systems that can defeat top attack missiles I believe and tanks like the Merkava Mark IV are designed with top attack protection with its low profile turret.
[QUOTE=Soul-Chicken;20984625]My Javelin beats your Tank.
[IMG]http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3031/medium/Javelin%20AntiTank1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJOjKwn_7Y[/media]
I'm not so sure about that.
[QUOTE=OvB;20986481][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJOjKwn_7Y[/media]
I'm not so sure about that.[/QUOTE]
That video is from early testing of the weapon.
I've seen a vid or a gif where the javelin fell out of the tube, and the crew ran like hell.
[QUOTE=hgncommand;20986654]I've seen a vid or a gif where the javelin fell out of the tube, and the crew ran like hell.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that was a TOW Missile.
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Nevermind it was an ERYX.
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53p_S1NbhQ[/media]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;20987063]Pretty sure that was a TOW Missile.
[editline]01:11AM[/editline]
Nevermind it was an ERYX.
[editline]01:12AM[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53p_S1NbhQ[/media][/QUOTE]
Me thinking to myself:
"Wow, that must be a pretty shitty missile. Wonder where it's made..."
[quote=Wikipedia]Place of origin: France[/quote]
:ms:
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Bmpt_REA_2009.jpg[/IMG]
Imagine that one day someone said "An IFV is cool and all because it has missiles and an autocannon, but imagine if you had two cannons and four missiles, and two goddamn automatic grenade launchers"
They probably ended up making this. The BMP-T, a modified T-72, with two 2A42 autocannons, capable of instantly switching between AP and HE. Four motherfucking Ataka missiles, the same missile that is used to take out TANKS. They also threw in two automatic grenade launchers.
Basically, imagine having two Mk44 Bushmasters, two Mk19s, an M240G, and four TOWs. On a single tank.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;20987517][IMG_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Bmpt_REA_2009.jpg[/IMG_thumb]
Imagine that one day someone said "An IFV is cool and all because it has missiles and an autocannon, but imagine if you had two cannons and four missiles, and two goddamn automatic grenade launchers"[/QUOTE]
It was more that the Russian Army losing so many tanks in Grozny due to their inability to engage enemy positions located at high height levels that the main gun couldn't elevate to. They had to bring some AA guns like the Shilka to root them out. So them combined the best of both and this heavy IFV is the result.
It's an ideal vehicle for close range urban fighting but it's much too expensive to risk them in an open battlefield.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;20987645]It was more that the Russian Army losing so many tanks in Grozny due to their inability to engage enemy positions located at high height levels that the main gun couldn't elevate to. They had to bring some AA guns like the Shilka to root them out. So them combined the best of both and this heavy IFV is the result.
It's an ideal vehicle for close range urban fighting but it's much too expensive to risk them in an open battlefield.[/QUOTE]
The Bradley would probably have the same problem then.
There really needs to be a new tracked APC design, in the 20-25t weight class. Something with a 600-800 horsepower diesel, room for 8 guys, with steel armor at base protection level, up to 25mm APFSDS. Arm it with a M230 30mm, with about 400 rounds, and an M240, with about 1000 rounds of ammo. Just enough firepower to get the troops in, enough firepower to fight their way back out.
Then you make a fire support variant based off of the APC chassis, with a Mk44, 2 TOW launchers, fitted so you can actually reload while firing off something else. The M240 would get 1750 rounds of ammo, 8 TOWs would be able to be fired when fully loaded, 1000 rounds for the Mk44. An alternate configuration would be a 105mm tank gun and M240C, with 40 rounds of the main gun, and 1750 rounds for the coax, with a M2 on top with 900 rounds.
A scout variant would be shortened, and would have only room for two in the infantry compartment, but only 200 M230 30mm rounds, and 500 M240 rounds.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;20987517][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Bmpt_REA_2009.jpg[/IMG]
Imagine that one day someone said "An IFV is cool and all because it has missiles and an autocannon, but imagine if you had two cannons and four missiles, and two goddamn automatic grenade launchers"
They probably ended up making this. The BMP-T, a modified T-72, with two 2A42 autocannons, capable of instantly switching between AP and HE. Four motherfucking Ataka missiles, the same missile that is used to take out TANKS. They also threw in two automatic grenade launchers.
Basically, imagine having two Mk44 Bushmasters, two Mk19s, an M240G, and four TOWs. On a single tank.[/QUOTE]
Looks like one juicy AT missile target.
[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;20978485]
T-95, The Russian Secert Tank(Nobody knows very much about this tank, besides it's name)
[IMG]http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t95.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Chanses are it's just an old lada and cuple of cupboards duckt taped together and a pipe stuck into there somewhere.
[QUOTE=FordLord;20981646]Heres a few more, mostly Fords, because I like fords.
[IMG]http://www.army-technology.com/projects/fordpickuptruck/images/5-plasan-sand-cat.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pickuptrucks.com/trucks/IMAGES/news/sd_combat2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.army-technology.com/projects/springer-all-terrain/springer-all-terrain1.html[/IMG]
This goofy fuck is built on a Ford F350 frame. It may be replacing the Hummers.
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Ultra_ap.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Ultra-ap11.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
So you like Fords huh? Try this one:
[IMG]http://www.automotorblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ford-the-amatoya-1.jpg[/IMG]
Well, it's a firefighting vehicle which means that the gun looking things are actually hoses, but if it goes into production, they'll make a military recon version of it. A little modification and BAM you have guns.
This is one badass too:
[IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:wmw10wOdv8VK5M:http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/imgs/shermancalliope.jpg[/IMG]
I see your Calliope and raise you a Panzerwerfer
[img]http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwiki/80/Panzerwerfer_alias_Maultier.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Goblix;20991120]I see your Calliope and raise you a Panzerwerfer
[IMG]http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwiki/80/Panzerwerfer_alias_Maultier.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I see you Panzerwerfer and I cheat
[IMG]http://www.haaland.info/norway/army/bilder/mlrs-notpainted.jpg[/IMG]
With this thing.
You're a cruel cruel man, do you know that? :(
My all time favorite APC
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/M113.jpg[/img]
the M113
[QUOTE=L_Dawg;20991346]I see you Panzerwerfer and I cheat
[IMG]http://www.haaland.info/norway/army/bilder/mlrs-notpainted.jpg[/IMG]
With this thing.[/QUOTE]
I see your camping ass and raze you...
[img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/90/270721114_f773af1223.jpg[/img]
because you support morons never spawn AA!.
(Any World in Conflict players will instantly get the Joke.)
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