• Marijuana - The good, the bad, and the unknown
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[QUOTE=left4luke;14788192]become addicted to meth, and tell me weed is a bad drug.[/QUOTE] Your argument is balls. Watch your best friend become addicted to weed while you're a good, clean kid, and tell me weed is not a bad drug. Seriously guys, I get the science, I see the numbers, and they say that weed is not bad for you and it's not addictive. Sure, maybe not physically addictive, but how many of you actually know how THC works? How many of you know what it does to your brain to put you in that state of mind? Let me give you a quick run down: THC itself has an affect, but the actual feeling comes from the release of dopamine. However, that is your brain releasing dopamine. You do not have unlimited amounts of dopamine and it does take time to replenish it. However, if you smoke often, you never allow your body time to replace it and over long time use, can create a dependancy on THC to release dopamine. This is assuming you smoke fairly often. If you're one of the occasional users or a medical user, chances are the benefits outweigh the costs. I am unfortunately an exception because I have suffered from psychotic episodes in the past and I really don't want to push those buttons and have something bad happen.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;19725700]Your argument is balls. Watch your best friend become addicted to weed while you're a good, clean kid, and tell me weed is not a bad drug. Seriously guys, I get the science, I see the numbers, and they say that weed is not bad for you and it's not addictive. Sure, maybe not physically addictive, but how many of you actually know how THC works? How many of you know what it does to your brain to put you in that state of mind? Let me give you a quick run down: THC itself has an affect, but the actual feeling comes from the release of dopamine. However, that is your brain releasing dopamine. You do not have unlimited amounts of dopamine and it does take time to replenish it. However, if you smoke often, you never allow your body time to replace it and over long time use, can create a dependancy on THC to release dopamine. This is assuming you smoke fairly often. If you're one of the occasional users or a medical user, chances are the benefits outweigh the costs. I am unfortunately an exception because I have suffered from psychotic episodes in the past and I really don't want to push those buttons and have something bad happen.[/QUOTE] This is true. It's advised not to smoke weed when suffering from schizofrenia for instance.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;19725700]Your argument is balls. Watch your best friend become addicted to weed while you're a good, clean kid, and tell me weed is not a bad drug. Seriously guys, I get the science, I see the numbers, and they say that weed is not bad for you and it's not addictive. Sure, maybe not physically addictive, but how many of you actually know how THC works? How many of you know what it does to your brain to put you in that state of mind? Let me give you a quick run down: THC itself has an affect, but the actual feeling comes from the release of dopamine. However, that is your brain releasing dopamine. You do not have unlimited amounts of dopamine and it does take time to replenish it. However, if you smoke often, you never allow your body time to replace it and over long time use, can create a dependancy on THC to release dopamine. This is assuming you smoke fairly often. If you're one of the occasional users or a medical user, chances are the benefits outweigh the costs. I am unfortunately an exception because I have suffered from psychotic episodes in the past and I really don't want to push those buttons and have something bad happen.[/QUOTE] Yes but it only takes a few days to get back to normal. It is the harder drugs like heroin that really affect dopamine production.
[QUOTE=Dan The Man;19714927]The truth is nobody can give a reason why weed is bad except that it increases chances of psychosis (which I do believe by the way, if even by a small amount). Overall, the health benefits are large, the recreational use is great, it's non-addictive and the health risks are minimal. If anyone can present to me a [B]non-government funded study [/B]that's reliable and sources properly with a large sample the contrary, do link it here. Until then, this thread is essentially exhausted of anti-marijuana information.[/QUOTE] Hurf durf [editline]08:10PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Aaronn;19716143] unless it's a [b]herbal or organic[/b] treatment, will have a negative side effect[/QUOTE] You're a fucking idiot.
I don't like weed, or any other drug. However, I realize that it is ridiculous that cigarettes are legal and this is not, so I have to agree. Just don't push anything on me and we're OK.
Yeah really all cigarettes should be banned.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;19727904]Yeah really all cigarettes should be banned.[/QUOTE] I don't think so. People should just be educated so they can make their own decision.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;19725700]Your argument is balls. Watch your best friend become addicted to weed while you're a good, clean kid, and tell me weed is not a bad drug. Seriously guys, I get the science, I see the numbers, and they say that weed is not bad for you and it's not addictive. Sure, maybe not physically addictive, but how many of you actually know how THC works? How many of you know what it does to your brain to put you in that state of mind? Let me give you a quick run down: THC itself has an affect, but the actual feeling comes from the release of dopamine. However, that is your brain releasing dopamine. You do not have unlimited amounts of dopamine and it does take time to replenish it. However, if you smoke often, you never allow your body time to replace it and over long time use, can create a dependancy on THC to release dopamine. This is assuming you smoke fairly often. If you're one of the occasional users or a medical user, chances are the benefits outweigh the costs. I am unfortunately an exception because I have suffered from psychotic episodes in the past and I really don't want to push those buttons and have something bad happen.[/QUOTE] Well you think THC fucks up your dopamine levels? Say hello to Mr MDMA.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;19725700] Seriously guys, I get the science, I see the numbers, and they say that weed is not bad for you and it's not addictive. Sure, maybe not physically addictive, but how many of you actually know how THC works? How many of you know what it does to your brain to put you in that state of mind? Let me give you a quick run down: THC itself has an affect, but the actual feeling comes from the release of dopamine. However, that is your brain releasing dopamine. You do not have unlimited amounts of dopamine and it does take time to replenish it. However, if you smoke often, you never allow your body time to replace it and over long time use, can create a dependancy on THC to release dopamine.[/QUOTE] Cannabinoids regulate everything in your body. Adding more cannabinoids (using cannabis) to your body increases the "refresh rate" of everything, including your body (making your senses feel more sensitive) and your thoughts (causes the mind high). Short term memory loss comes in because you have more cannabinoids than usual, and because you're feeling more, your short term memory is taken up more quickly than if you were sober. Weed doesn't force you to feel good like hard drugs do because it doesn't directly affect pleasure or painkilling chemicals in your brain. It just alters your state of mind and body so that you feel more of life than normal. [QUOTE=Imaledgev2;19728017]Well you think THC fucks up your dopamine levels? Say hello to Mr MDMA.[/QUOTE] That's serotonin. Your brain is very resilient though; it can recover from a dose of MDMA or other drugs if the use isn't repeated.
I think people can get addicted to it, they get high to do all these things like,(video games, biking, paintball,sports) and lose interest in doing those activities sober.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;19727276]Hurf durf [editline]08:10PM[/editline] You're a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE] :kiddo: says the idiot who has only presented ignorance
Because several studies by one of the world's top scientific journal is ignorance.
[QUOTE=actionhank;19725548]Both sides have awful arguments, and for the most part the people with legitimate ones fall in the cracks between all the awful shit that gets posted. People posting that THC WILL GIVE YOU CANCER AND MAKE YOUR BRAINZ XPLODE!!!" Then others claiming that pot is good for your lungs, and turns you into a better driver and an A+ student. I wish people would just realize that they don't have to like or agree with it. If you don't smoke pot, cool, but there's no sense in preaching to the people who love it, just as much as there is little sense in trying to convince someone who hates it that it's okay and even good. Both sides should concede. It's not like anyone's going to switch teams from a facepunch post.[/QUOTE] I've switched sides from debates before, after reading a well-written post backed up with sources. I agree that we should compromise, however, you must agree, there is no compromise. Weed is illegal. If it was legal, then THAT would be a compromise. The reason people put forward arguments FOR marijuana is because it is illegal.
Actually you're all a bunch of morons so I leave you with this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNB1EUJg1-w[/media]
Marijuana is the cheapest, safest, funnest drug.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;19728439]Because several studies by one of the world's top scientific journal is ignorance.[/QUOTE] AHAHAHA nothing you've posted came from any science or you would have actually posted something worthwhile idiot.
Holy shit the journal was even called Science you absolute nincompoop [editline]09:28PM[/editline] Fuck off you stupid fucking fuck fuck you all I can't believe people are this stupid fuck it I'm unsubscribing I can't handle this level of willful ignorance. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - verynicelady))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=lazyguy;19727904]Yeah really all cigarettes should be banned.[/QUOTE] Now that's just damn stupid. Yea they're addictive and they kill people, but it's up to the person if they choose to smoke cigarettes not the government. Just the same way it should be for weed, even more so because weed doesn't kill you. Don't you find it a little bit weird how cigarettes have killed millions of people but are still legalized and taxed by the government, yet smoking weed is a crime? [quote=lazyass]Holy shit the journal was even called Science you absolute nincompoop Edited: Fuck off you stupid fucking fuck fuck you all I can't believe people are this stupid fuck it I'm unsubscribing I can't handle this level of willful ignorance.[/quote] Translation: I can't form a proper argument and I can't take people not agreeing with me so i'm leaving. Good riddance.
I do not smoke. But I feel it should be legalized because it would be a great tax revenue and would help cut down on drug related crimes.
[QUOTE=Slip777;19728954] Translation: I can't form a proper argument and I can't take people not agreeing with me so i'm leaving. Good riddance.[/QUOTE] lol rated agree
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;19725700] Let me give you a quick run down: THC itself has an affect, but the actual feeling comes from the release of dopamine. However, that is your brain releasing dopamine. You do not have unlimited amounts of dopamine and it does take time to replenish it. However, if you smoke often, you never allow your body time to replace it and over long time use, can create a dependancy on THC to release dopamine. This is assuming you smoke fairly often. If you're one of the occasional users or a medical user, chances are the benefits outweigh the costs. I am unfortunately an exception because I have suffered from psychotic episodes in the past and I really don't want to push those buttons and have something bad happen.[/QUOTE] THC does not trigger significant dopamine release. The euphoria and other effects of the drug come from THC's interaction with the brain's cannabinoid receptors. [url]http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5979/is_200908/ai_n35629796/?tag=content;col1[/url] [url]http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/1725460/THC_does_not_affect_striatal_dopamine_release_microdialysis_in_freely_moving_rats[/url] this link describes it in further detail [url]http://www.cannabismd.net/addiction/[/url] [quote]Dopamine, a neurochemical produced in the central cortex of the brain, is thought to provide the brain’s “reward system.” Interference with dopamine production is considered a major symptom of biochemical addiction. While two studies alleged a minor link between THC and dopamine production in the brains of rats,[6] these were refuted by several subsequent studies showing that cannabis does not radically affect dopamine levels.[7], [8], [9] In assessing the importance of a possible link between cannabis use and dopamine levels, it should be noted that dopamine activity has also been detected in the brains of video game players who were paid money every time they reached a new level of the game.[10] Clearly, minor evidence of dopamine activity is not the sloe indicator of addiction. If it were, than all pleasurable activities would be defined as addictive. Moreover, the scientific evidence that cannabis use produces any amount of increased dopamine activity remains entirely inconclusive. Assessing the scientific literature on marijuana’s addictive potential for the Criminal Justice Commission of Australia, Peter Nelson reported, “… involvement with the ventromedial striatum suggests connections to dopamine circuits. However, the expected reinforcing properties usually associated with these dopamine pathways are difficult to demonstrate in the case of THC.”[11][/quote] What you say is true about other drugs that rely on dopamine (such as cocaine and heroin).
[QUOTE=lazyguy;19728903]Holy shit the journal was even called Science you absolute nincompoop [editline]09:28PM[/editline] Fuck off you stupid fucking fuck fuck you all I can't believe people are this stupid fuck it I'm unsubscribing I can't handle this level of willful ignorance.[/QUOTE] Enjoy never fully experiencing what life has to offer.
[QUOTE=frums;19731962]Enjoy never fully experiencing what life has to offer.[/QUOTE] This. You only live once folks. And smoking weed won't shorten your lifespan nor cause anything majorly negative. At least try it once.
I think the main reason most people are scared of weed is because its called a drug, whereas tobacco isn't. I dont know why, but when you say "drugs", everyone goes nuts and says shit about brain damage and stuff, not realising that just because is called a drug, doesnt mean it has the same effects as, say, meth mixed with rat poison. It's as the enlightened monks on some mountain somewhere say; "Man on meth, try and pick bugs out of eyes man on weed, go to sleep, wake up, eat everything." maby.
I'm really high right now. Present your arguments now and I will try to make sense of them. :350: <---- took me 10 minutes to find this emoticon
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;19725700]Your argument is balls. Watch your best friend become addicted to weed while you're a good, clean kid, and tell me weed is not a bad drug.[/QUOTE] that's just a kid being irresponsible, it's EASY to smoke weed responsibly. it's hard to use hard drugs responsibly.
I wish my best friend was addicted to bud. He'd smoke with me and be a very chill guy
Sup, DD regs.
I want to ask one question: why is Facepunch so pro-weed? There are no benefits to it, theorized disadvantages, and it's a waste of money. Really doesn't have anything positive going for it.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;19736927]I want to ask one question: why is Facepunch so pro-weed? There are no benefits to it, theorized disadvantages, and it's a waste of money. Really doesn't have anything positive going for it.[/QUOTE] rofl
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