[QUOTE=Hendo;45494374]A bike shouldn't be on a road in the first place[/QUOTE]
Where I come from, bikes are actually supposed to be on the road and are treated as vehicles (they aren't supposed to be on the side walk and not all roads have bike lanes), but no one really takes that law seriously, last time I was riding my bike on the road with my friends, some guy in his truck cut around us and dropped this thing from his car that shot sparks at us while we were riding, and that was the end of me riding with traffic. Plus there were plenty of people firing their horns at us.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;45495872]Some people are not paying attention, are presenting a danger not just to themselves but to others around them
Therefore the people on bikes are at fault and shouldn't be on the road?
huh..[/QUOTE]
I didn't say people on bikes were at fault. I said riding a bike on roads with cars is stupid. It's in the same vein as say, leaving a wad of money on your dash in your parked car when you go into the store, then come out to find your car's been broken into and it stolen. You aren't at fault, but it was still stupid.
I just think riding a 20lb aluminum frame on wheels along side traffic consisting of 2 to 4 ton vehicles traveling at 10 to 50 miles per hour isn't wise
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45496065]I didn't say people on bikes were at fault. I said riding a bike on roads with cars is stupid. It's in the same vein as say, leaving a wad of money on your dash in your parked car when you go into the store, then come out to find your car's been broken into and it stolen. You aren't at fault, but it was still stupid.
I just think riding a 20lb aluminum frame on wheels along side traffic consisting of 2 to 4 ton vehicles traveling at 10 to 50 miles per hour isn't wise[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the Netherlands my friend, where people drive bikes EVERYWHERE.
And I know of, you guessed it, ZERO cyclists who have been killed in the past 15 years that I've lived in this area.
People in cars pay attention here, they dont text, or use a fucking laptop glued to their steeringwheel.
[img]http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1515474747_1/Portable-Foldable-Car-font-b-Laptop-b-font-Stand-Foldable-Car-Seat-font-b-Steering-b.jpg[/img]
That's the secret!
i dont mind bikes on the road, but i think they're taking quite a big risk. why not ride on the sidewalk? i think that seems safer
[QUOTE=Evi.tf;45496201]i dont mind bikes on the road, but i think they're taking quite a big risk. why not ride on the sidewalk? i think that seems safer[/QUOTE]
Because it's illegal to do so
I like that he made zero attempt to avoid the accident and just became angry instead :v:
Bikes should be required to yield to cars
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45495840]Even if it's legal and there's markings, riding a bike on the road or highway is still stupid. [B]You're too small and there's too many people in their own little world when they get in their car[/B]
So far about 11 regular bike riders where I live have been killed[/QUOTE]
If you can't see a bike while driving, you can't see a person crossing the street.
If you hit a person crossing the street while you're in your car, and give that shitty excuse you will never drive again.
You're an idiot.
[QUOTE=usaokay;45494346]His reaction phrase is better than my "Oh shit!" phrase.[/QUOTE]
"OH FUCK OFF!" Now replaces "OH SHIT!" for me thanks to this video.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;45495150]Back when I was just learning how to drive, I almost struck (and almost seriously injured) this guy on a motorcycle because the guy behind me was on my tail honking like a jerk. The guy on the motorcycle did not have any kind words for me, and I don't blame him.[/QUOTE]
if you ever get tail gated, just slow down as much as possible
if they get out to tell you to fuck off, kindly tell them that tail gating is unsafe and they should learn how to [B]not drive like a complete fucking psycho[/B]
I've done some bad shit in a car though :v: it has dents, but NEVER by anyone else or because of car to car/bike contact
[QUOTE=Evi.tf;45496201]i dont mind bikes on the road, but i think they're taking quite a big risk. why not ride on the sidewalk? i think that seems safer[/QUOTE]
safer for the cyclist, sure.
[QUOTE=Hendo;45494374]A bike shouldn't be on a road in the first place[/QUOTE]
This is a dumb post
and especially dumb if you live in an area where the roads are better than the sidewalks
a car shouldn't be turning without paying attention in the first place
so should I just start banning people for [b]lethal ignorance[/b] because the attitudes expressed in this and the last thread about a guy getting tailgated down to 6" by an SUV are exactly what cause these fucking wrecks
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496260]Bikes should be required to yield to cars[/QUOTE]
bikes are respected as vehicles on the road. If a car was driving through that intersection in the same spot it's law that the car waiting to turn fucking waits until it's clear to turn
bikes can't just stop on a dime and aren't bound by pedestrian laws and are not allowed to use sidewalks in city zones where the sidewalks are heavily used by pedestrians.
[QUOTE=Foxton;45494945]road bikes can get pretty pricey too, My friend's road bike is in the 3.5 - 4k range.
I'm glad to see him not injured but that looks like a pretty expensive road bike[/QUOTE]
I bought a bike from a small store that sells old bikes, up till the all the bikes were made up to the 90s. I got a 24-inch Gold eagle 12-speed from the early 80s. road bike. It was straight out of the box. about 80/90-something bucks. Adult bikes cost about the same. on Craigslist the same bikes, same age, and same type. What I am saying is that if you want a beginner road bike or just a straight up nice causal bike, get an old one, They aren't too complicated, They are easy to fix, and are at a super low price compared to those newer, more expensive ones. Plus, you'll be riding a piece of history!
[QUOTE=dai;45496337][U]so should I just start banning people for [b]lethal ignorance[/b] because the attitudes expressed in this and the last thread about a guy getting tailgated down to 6" by an SUV are exactly what cause these fucking wrecks[/U]
[/QUOTE]
While i am a supporter of freedom to express opinions...
YES, please.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496260]Bikes should be required to yield to cars[/QUOTE]
Right let me ask you a question, in the highway code where are cars on the list of importance and where does the cyclist come?
You don't know? Well I'm going to assume so because of the stupid crap you just said so have something to get your head around.
Horses > Pedestrians > Cyclists > Motorbikes > HGV > LGV > Vehicles with trailers > Cars/SUV
Yeah that's right, cars are the least important thing on the road. Next time you're out and about just think about what should get your attention more, because it follows that list pretty damn well to the dot.
[QUOTE=dai;45496337]
Bikes are respected as vehicles on the road. If a car was driving through that intersection in the same spot it's law that the car waiting to turn fucking waits until it's clear to turn
bikes can't just stop on a dime and aren't bound by pedestrian laws and are not allowed to use sidewalks in city zones where the sidewalks are heavily used by pedestrians.[/QUOTE]
Bikes have a much shorter stopping distance, the rider generally has more control over the sharp turning directions, and has unrestricted view.
I know they are suppose to be treated like another vehicle, but as a bike rider myself, I think it's stupid.
[QUOTE=Reagy;45496567]Right let me ask you a question, in the highway code where are cars on the list of importance and where does the cyclist come?
You don't know? Well I'm going to assume so because of the stupid crap you just said so have something to get your head around.
Horses > Pedestrians > Cyclists > Motorbikes > HGV > LGV > Vehicles with trailers > Cars/SUV
Yeah that's right, cars are the least important thing on the road. Next time you're out and about just think about what should get your attention more, because it follows that list pretty damn well to the dot.[/QUOTE]
Wow it's almost as if I said [I]should [/I]Like I was voicing an opinion on what bikes [I]should [/I]be required to do. If you don't have a motor, get on the side walk or be more than far enough over for cars, and slow down at crossings for oncoming traffic.
I honestly think both parties are at fault (although i do feel bad for the biker and his bike) but everyone shares the road so everyone needs to be aware of there surroundings. I was always taught to be prepared and aware of everyone. So the driver should of been looking out to see what the biker was doing and the biker should of been slowing down to see what the driver was going to do. Everyone should look out for everyone instead of just doing there own thing.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496570]Wow it's almost as if I said [I]should [/I]Like I was voicing an opinion on what bikes [I]should [/I]be required to do. If you don't have a motor, get on the side walk or be more than far enough over for cars, and slow down at crossings for oncoming traffic.[/QUOTE]
Yeah lets put all those things that are man powered onto the tiny foot paths which are crowded with people instead of on the wider road where [I]by law they are meant to be because a bike is technically on paper a fucking motor vehicle by definition[/I]. [B]You are the damn motor.
[/B]I don't see you logic here, it's just stupid.
I always get super nervous whenever I end up pulling up behind a cyclist because I feel like I'm gonna end up being Satan to the poor guy.
I end up giving them a berth like they were a nuclear warhead or something :v:
[QUOTE=Reagy;45496641]Yeah lets put all those things that are man powered onto the tiny foot paths which are crowded with people instead of on the wider road where [I]by law they are meant to be because a bike is technically on paper a fucking motor vehicle by definition[/I]. [B]You are the damn motor.
[/B]I don't see you logic here, it's just stupid.[/QUOTE]
Okay gas/eletric powered motor.
The video didn't show many people on the side walk, and besides sidewalks are generally empty in the states and most people get out of the way for bikes. Might be different across the pond I dunno, but whenever I bike anywhere I always try to stick on the sidewalks for safety and traffic purposes.
[URL]http://bikeleague.org/content/state-bike-laws-0[/URL]
We are debating a country gap because it is not considered a motor vehicle in all states in my country.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496690]Okay gas/eletric powered motor.
The video didn't show many people on the side walk, and besides sidewalks are generally empty in the states and most people get out of the way for bikes. Might be different across the pond I dunno, but whenever I bike anywhere I always try to stick on the sidewalks for safety and traffic purposes.
[URL]http://bikeleague.org/content/state-bike-laws-0[/URL]
We are debating a country gap because it is not considered a motor vehicle in all states in my country.[/QUOTE]
it's illegal to ride bikes on the sidewalk
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;45496712]it's illegal to ride bikes on the sidewalk[/QUOTE]
Not in all states and even then it must be posted
[quote]Sidewalk Riding
Virginia allows bicycles to operate on sidewalks subject to the following rules:
The governing body of any county, city, or town may by ordinance prohibit the riding of bicycles on designated sidewalks or crosswalks. Signs indicating such prohibition shall be conspicuously posted in general areas where the riding of bicycles, is prohibited;
No person shall ride a bicycle on a sidewalk, or across a roadway on a crosswalk, where such use of bicycles is prohibited by official traffic control devices;
A person riding a bicycle on a sidewalk, shared-use path, or across a roadway on a crosswalk, shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and passing any pedestrian; and
A person riding a bicycle on a sidewalk, shared-use path, or across a roadway on a crosswalk, shall have all the rights and duties of a pedestrian under the same circumstances.
Source: Va. Code Ann. §46.2-904[/quote]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496570]
I know they are suppose to be treated like another vehicle, but as a bike rider myself, I think it's stupid.
[/QUOTE]
are you a high school student that rides their bike to school in the suburbs or something?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496725]Not in all [B]states [/B]and even then it must be posted[/QUOTE]
this isn't the fucking states mate
this is london we're talking about.
-snip, late-
[QUOTE=J!NX;45496780]are you a high school student that rides their bike to school in the suburbs or something?
because that's the feeling I'm getting from you.[/QUOTE]
Nope I ride to work and for pleasure, I just think the liberties that most cyclists take are a bit silly and dangerous to everyone on the road ways.
If a sidewalk is available, use it if it is not illegal in your state, because a ~2000lbs vehicle is not going to have the same control over the road as a 150-200 lbs vehicle traveling at 10ish miles per hour.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45496780]
this isn't the fucking states mate
this is london we're talking about.[/QUOTE]
yes my origininal statement was for cyclists in general, then a response to back up my originial claim, and then I acknowledged we are talking about a country gap. It is all detailed in my posts.
that would be great if you're riding 10mph
on average traveling on my roadbike I run maybe 17mph on average. You have skinny little wheels with far less braking traction than you give them credit for
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496690]Okay gas/eletric powered motor.
The video didn't show many people on the side walk, and besides sidewalks are generally empty in the states and most people get out of the way for bikes. Might be different across the pond I dunno, but whenever I bike anywhere I always try to stick on the sidewalks for safety and traffic purposes.
[URL]http://bikeleague.org/content/state-bike-laws-0[/URL]
We are debating a country gap because it is not considered a motor vehicle in all states in my country.[/QUOTE]
hello yes I'm a bicyclist from the US who rides both in suburban areas and major cities
suburbs:
> relaxed laws, and there aren't many people on sidewalks ever. You can ride the sidewalk and people don't care, but it's expected that you'll get off the sidewalk or stop in order to yield to the people walking on it. If a cop doesn't like you being on the sidewalk they'll just inform you that it's not a good idea and ask you to get off.
> you're expected to follow traffic laws if you are riding in the road. It's encouraged you use the road even if there's an empty sidewalk.
> one time I got pulled over for speeding in a school zone and the cop was more impressed than annoyed
city:
> the law is NO BIKES ON THE SIDEWALK. You face a fine up to $130 for riding on the sidewalk regardless of people being on it or not.
> You face the same fine for riding anywhere other than a bike lane if a bike lane is present.
> You are expected to follow traffic laws and obey the same traffic laws and signs cars do. That means you stop for stoplights (though you're free move as a pedestrian if a crosswalk allows), and you are expected to act like a car as normal if the light is green.
> Cars are supposed to yield to you because you are squishy. There is no "but he shouldn't be on the road" excuse, if you run someone over, it's almost always the case that it's your carelessness that caused it
> Taxis are the devil
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496799]Nope I ride to work and for pleasure, I just think the liberties that most cyclists take are a bit silly and dangerous to everyone on the road ways.
If a sidewalk is available, use it if it is not illegal in your state, because a ~2000lbs vehicle is not going to have the same control over the road as a 150-200 lbs vehicle traveling at 10ish miles per hour.
yes my origininal statement was for cyclists in general, then a response to back up my originial claim, and then I acknowledged we are talking about a country gap. It is all detailed in my posts.[/QUOTE]
to be fair london is also a very different place for cyclists
its legal to use sidewalks in america because usually drivers treat people like shit if they merely don't allow them to merge in an empty road.
[video=youtube;bzE-IMaegzQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ[/video]
that and hitting people with a bike who are on a sidewalk is very unsafe, so it should be illegal
London has far better support of cyclists, so it's far easier to support the idea of bikes being vehicles
[QUOTE=dai;45496847]that would be great if you're riding 10mph
on average traveling on my roadbike I run maybe 17mph on average. You have skinny little wheels with far less braking traction than you give them credit for
hello yes I'm a bicyclist from the US who rides both in suburban areas and major cities
suburbs:
> relaxed laws, and there aren't many people on sidewalks ever. You can ride the sidewalk and people don't care, but it's expected that you'll get off the sidewalk or stop in order to yield to the people walking on it. If a cop doesn't like you being on the sidewalk they'll just inform you that it's not a good idea and ask you to get off.
> you're expected to follow traffic laws if you are riding in the road. It's encouraged you use the road even if there's an empty sidewalk.
> one time I got pulled over for speeding in a school zone and the cop was more impressed than annoyed
city:
> the law is NO BIKES ON THE SIDEWALK. You face a fine up to $130 for riding on the sidewalk regardless of people being on it or not.
> You face the same fine for riding anywhere other than a bike lane if a bike lane is present.
> You are expected to follow traffic laws and obey the same traffic laws and signs cars do. That means you stop for stoplights (though you're free move as a pedestrian if a crosswalk allows), and you are expected to act like a car as normal if the light is green.
> Cars are supposed to yield to you because you are squishy. There is no "but he shouldn't be on the road" excuse, if you run someone over, it's almost always the case that it's your carelessness that caused it
> Taxis are the devil[/QUOTE]
Well that's different than what the laws are in my state, my state does not require cyclists to stop at red lights, or stop signs, they can ride on the sidewalk unless posted every XXX feet, cyclists generally weave in an out of traffic if it is stopped/slow.
And I bike to my cities center of commerce, that is when I don't feel like driving.
I don't get the mentality of the law when it comes to not being able to ride on the path at [b]any time[/b]. In high density area's and school hours, it is common consideration to dismount or diverge onto the road but footpaths that aren't in central London are empty for the majority of time. I've been told to get off the road and to get off the path. I'm not concerned about 'antagonizing' the inevitable, disgruntled gentleman when apparently i prove to be a nuisance in both cases.
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