[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496895]Well that's different than what the laws are in my state, my state [B]does not require cyclists to stop at red lights, or stop signs,[/B] they can ride on the sidewalk unless posted every XXX feet, cyclists generally weave in an out of traffic if it is stopped/slow.
And I bike to my cities center of commerce, that is when I don't feel like driving.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck. I get this if it's in the middle of nowhere with next to no traffic, but this sounds like a death wish in any urban area.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496895]Well that's different than what the laws are in my state, my state does not require cyclists to stop at red lights, or stop signs, they can ride on the sidewalk unless posted every XXX feet, cyclists generally weave in an out of traffic if it is stopped/slow.
And I bike to my cities center of commerce, that is when I don't feel like driving.[/QUOTE]
I get the feeling there are far more bicycle fatalities in your state actually, and this explains a lot
I was about to say the cyclist was at fault, but then I notice it's in the UK with their weird road laws.
Or is the green lane for bycicles? I don't see any sign saying that
[QUOTE=Zotobom;45494436]He wasn't even suprised or scared,he was just [I]mad[/I]
OH FUCK OFF[/QUOTE]
I feel like that's something Gordon Ramsay would do.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45496922]I get the feeling there are far more bicycle fatalities in your state actually, and this explains a lot[/QUOTE]
There are, that's why my outlook on cyclists differs from what the people in this thread think.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;45496941]I was about to say the cyclist was at fault, but then I notice it's in the UK with their weird road laws.
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What would you expect the cyclist to do then, swerve off the road and possibly crash into pedestrians?
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Or is the green lane for bycicles? I don't see any sign saying that
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You're not seeing the pictures of a bicycle painted on the road every 10 meters or something? :v:
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;45496982]What would you expect the cyclist to do then, swerve off the road and possibly crash into pedestrians?
You're not seeing the pictures of a bicycle painted on the road every 5 meters or something? :v:[/QUOTE]
After the pedestrian crossing there's no signs anymore. So that's why I'm asking if the green lane is still for bicycles
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;45496972]There are, that's why my outlook on cyclists differs from what the people in this thread think.[/QUOTE]
and yet you still think it's stupid
you're missing the point of why these laws exist
This and the 'Fuck me backwards' guy prove that british people have the best reactions
London is a deathtrap for cycling. As per my previous post. I rode through rush hour traffic every day for 5 years on my bike. Theres laws and all kinda stuff to promote cycling but it was a nightmare. I was knocked off 7 times, once hospitalised and had my bike wreaked twice. Most of the time it was a bus that sidewiped me while i was in a cycle lane.
Perhaps my experience of riding is exclusive to london but i stand by what i said. The roadshere were not designed for cars and bikes. We dont have the luxuary of 2 abrest roads. Its single lane traffic and bikes are at the botton of the food chain weither you like it or not. People on the roads are cunts that wont change, so bike if you want just expect the worse then your prepared for it.
I live literally two streets away from where that video was taken and regularly ride through there. Its pretty common for idiots to pull out and even blame the cyclist.
I drive too and really dont get the cyclist/driver divide although i have witnessed some idiot cyclists at times too (especially further into London)
Both parties at fault. The car for not waiting for traffic to clear, of course, and the bicyclist for not looking more than ten feet down the fucking road. He had PLENTY of time to stop and avoid the impatient motorist, but noooo, staring at his own front wheel was more important than scanning the road.
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;45496982]What would you expect the cyclist to do then, swerve off the road and possibly crash into pedestrians?
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Idunno...look more than ten feet in front of him in the off chance that some idiot does exactly what happened in this video? I've cycled in the rain enough times to know that a sound bicycle could have easily stopped from that speed in that distance, if he had been looking where he was supposed to be looking instead of down at the ground by his front wheel he would have been able to avoid the dumbass in the hatch. But no. He was looking down. So he was also a dumbass. GG.
Even though he had right of way, assuming that just about anyone in traffic is aware of the right of way-rules (or traffic rules in general) is just naive and will surely get you killed in a city with a decent population.
You should also be aware that cars will scan for other cars, not cyclists (or they're just not that visible). It's just the way it is. I never assume that a car has seen me until I have eye-contact or a wave, or I see them slow down clearly.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45496652]I always get super nervous whenever I end up pulling up behind a cyclist because I feel like I'm gonna end up being Satan to the poor guy.
I end up giving them a berth like they were a nuclear warhead or something :v:[/QUOTE]
I end up doing that too, but my dad even complains about that too. I can see where he's coming from, it's a bit annoying to have someone go completely in to the oncoming lane to avoid you, or to have someone follow you going 15mph and holding up traffic, making everyone behind them hate cyclists. Best option is to just give a 2 foot bubble and quickly pass them. It sucks riding next to a car or have a car drive right behind you, it's best to ride behind a car. And it sucks when cyclists take up a whole lane of traffic. I always stick to the white line when I can.
[QUOTE=proch;45494528]And then he crashes, his bike gets totaled yet he just somehow manages to land on his feet and walk a few steps. Pretty badass.[/QUOTE]
Well what he did is he let the bike take the impact and he threw himself up and over the hood of the car.
That's exactly what I'm always prepared to do while biking. In most cases a bike-car collision won't be at anything over 25 miles per hour, likely less. As long as you don't end up under the car you'll be fine in most cases, so always be prepared to just let the bike take the impact and let the force of the crash plus a little jump on your part send you over the car.
[QUOTE=TestECull;45497488]Both parties at fault. The car for not waiting for traffic to clear, of course, and the bicyclist for not looking more than ten feet down the fucking road. He had PLENTY of time to stop and avoid the impatient motorist, but noooo, staring at his own front wheel was more important than scanning the road.
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
Idunno...look more than ten feet in front of him in the off chance that some idiot does exactly what happened in this video? I've cycled in the rain enough times to know that a sound bicycle could have easily stopped from that speed in that distance, if he had been looking where he was supposed to be looking instead of down at the ground by his front wheel he would have been able to avoid the dumbass in the hatch. But no. He was looking down. So he was also a dumbass. GG.[/QUOTE]
watch the video over
the car was slowwwwly inching over, then decided to pull into the lane at the last second, ending with far too little reactionary distance.
The car fully caused the accident. he pulled in front of a bike. what is driving you people to defend the driver like they're an innocent child
The biker is probably doing 20+mph, you can't just stop on a dime nor swerve without just launching yourself forward into the car anyways, [I]especially in wet conditions on a roadbike's skinny wheels[/I]
[t]http://www.mavic.com/sites/default/files/mavic_article/674x724/328189.jpg[/t] vs [t]http://www.29ercafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Maxxis-Ignitor-Mountain-Bike-Tire-29in.jpg[/t]
they're designed to go fast, grip turns, and overall just not cause wind resistance, [I]not [/I]to grip the ground like you're casually cruising around on a mountain bike
[QUOTE=TestECull;45497488]Both parties at fault. The car for not waiting for traffic to clear, of course, and the bicyclist for not looking more than ten feet down the fucking road. He had PLENTY of time to stop and avoid the impatient motorist, but noooo, staring at his own front wheel was more important than scanning the road.
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
Idunno...look more than ten feet in front of him in the off chance that some idiot does exactly what happened in this video? I've cycled in the rain enough times to know that a sound bicycle could have easily stopped from that speed in that distance, if he had been looking where he was supposed to be looking instead of down at the ground by his front wheel he would have been able to avoid the dumbass in the hatch. But no. He was looking down. So he was also a dumbass. GG.[/QUOTE]
These are unfair allegations you are making on the cyclist's behalf, really. That's why we only fault people on what isn't expected to happen if the car in question was the case of being a reasonable and competent driver, which is what license holders are obligated to be.
[QUOTE=Hendo;45494374]A bike shouldn't be on a road in the first place[/QUOTE]
oh for the love of fuck there a good way to save money. and there on the road's with you so deal with it.
[QUOTE=Foxton;45494945]road bikes can get pretty pricey too, My friend's road bike is in the 3.5 - 4k range.
I'm glad to see him not injured but that looks like a pretty expensive road bike[/QUOTE]
Insurance will cover it, I wouldn't dare ride an expensive bike without insurance
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;45496274]"OH FUCK OFF!" Now replaces "OH SHIT!" for me thanks to this video.[/QUOTE]
He says OH FUCK OFF because he knows that asshole in the car isn't going to wait for him to pass and would rather risk his safety than wait a few seconds.
I'd be fucking pissed as hell too.
[QUOTE=dai;45498237]watch the video over
the car was slowwwwly inching over, then decided to pull into the lane at the last second, ending with far too little reactionary distance. [/quote]
And if the bike's rider had been looking [i]ahead[/i] instead of down at his wheel he would have seen the car preparing to make a left turn long before the car made a single threatening gesture.
Before I got a driving license a bicycle was how I got around, and I've avoided plenty of drivers like the one in OP's video.
[quote]The car fully caused the accident. he pulled in front of a bike.[/quote]
I never contested that. IF you would [i]read[/i] my post fully you would see that I'm still faulting the car because that driver was a dumbass who didn't let traffic clear before turning. But I suppose that's a bit too much to expect, nobody ever seems to read my entire post and just knee-jerks the first line they find even the slightest amount objectionable. [quote] what is driving you people to defend the driver like they're an innocent child[/quote]
I'm not defending the driver. What is it with you people putting cyclists on a golden pedastal simply because they're on a bicycle?!
[quote]The biker is probably doing 20+mph[/quote] Yup [quote], you can't just stop on a dime nor swerve without just launching yourself forward into the car anyways,[/quote]
I had no problem doing so and I'm no pro cyclist. Hell I haven't been on a cycle since I was 15. Just a recreational rider that used it to get to their friends houses as a kid. Still had no trouble. [quote]
[t]http://www.mavic.com/sites/default/files/mavic_article/674x724/328189.jpg[/t] [/quote]
If you're using tires that ridiculously skinny on public highways you're fucking suicidal. Those are racing tires. They belong on racing bikes and should only be used under racing conditions.
Cars aren't allowed to run around on treadless pizza cutters. Bikes shouldn't be allowed to either. Use the wide, treaded tire on public roads.[QUOTE=Daemon;45498295]These are unfair allegations you are making on the cyclist's behalf, really.[/quote]
The helmet cam clearly shows his face was aimed at his damned handlebars when he approached the intersection. Idunno maybe he had his eyes rolled up to the top of their sockets but chances are his eyes and that helmet cam were looking in roughly the same direction.
And that wasn't the direction they should have been looking.
[quote]That's why we only fault people on what isn't expected to happen if the car in question was the case of being a reasonable and competent driver, which is what license holders are obligated to be.[/QUOTE]
I fault people based on whether or not they did something fault worthy. If I, as a driver, am expected to look more than ten feet past my vehicle when I'm driving, then cyclists should be as well. If they do not wish to be held to that standard they should take public transit instead. You want to share the road? Fine. You share the responsibilities of it as well, and that includes looking farther ahead than this cyclist was.
When I was in year 8 my mate got hit by a car cycling to school, he was KO'd and we could see all the ambulances and shit on the way. He only broke his arm among other injuries but he was in the hospital for a while. There are a lot of cuntbags who for some reason are allowed to drive in this country.
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The helmet cam clearly shows his face was aimed at his damned handlebars when he approached the intersection. Idunno maybe he had his eyes rolled up to the top of their sockets but chances are his eyes and that helmet cam were looking in roughly the same direction.[/QUOTE]
you can't even see his face, you have no idea about where he's looking.
just because the camera is pointing that way doesn't mean his face is.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;45495840]Even if it's legal and there's markings, riding a bike on the road or highway is still stupid. You're too small and t[B]here's too many people in their own little world[/B] when they get in their car
So far about 11 regular bike riders where I live have been killed[/QUOTE]Perhaps those people shouldn't be driving in the first place.
Drivers say, "Bikes shouldn't be on the road."
Pedestrians say, "Bikes shouldn't be on the sidewalk."
So I use both as is convenient to me.
[sp]I probably sound like a jerk for not just sticking with road laws, but it's nbd where I live - in a town, not a city.[/sp]
All that to say it's really annoying how people tend to hate on bikers with no consideration. They'd rather bikers not exist at all.
Actually wouldnt the cyclist count as normal traffic? Like if he was in a car instead, the guy turning right would have been turning right into traffic, which would mean he is at fault.
Basically more people should be better drivers.
"hey lets get on this big busy road ill drive right in the middle of it on my bike"
this is a dumb idea, i dont care what law states that says you can ride a bike in the road or any of that "share the road" crap, riding a bicycle on busy roads is just asking for trouble. for many people a biker is that last thing they are expecting when turning. whoever was driving this car had probably been looking at the other lane to make sure traffic wasn't about to fuckin slam their car
i know in europe bicycle transportation is more popular of a thing but in my town you'd get ran over riding on busy streets like that, people dont pay attention and i always expect the worst out of people, especially giant hunks of metal that can obliterate me and whatever flimsy piece of metal you're riding on.
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I fault people based on whether or not they did something fault worthy. If I, as a driver, am expected to look more than ten feet past my vehicle when I'm driving, then cyclists should be as well. If they do not wish to be held to that standard they should take public transit instead. You want to share the road? Fine. You share the responsibilities of it as well, and that includes looking farther ahead than this cyclist was.[/QUOTE]
There was a van, car, truck and 4X4 obstructing the bicycle lanes which he seemed to successfully navigated passed, short of another right before he got hit (which he appears to be preparing to move over for). I don't know what good it does to promptly make accusations and start putting yourself in the cockpit when you've had the convenience of retrospecting what just happened. They might have to share the road but nobody should share the responsibility of another persons mistake if they aren't the ones in violation of traffic law. I agree though. Roads seem too hazardous for cyclists from past experience.
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