Explaining Explosive Ordnance - How rockets and missiles (of various roles) work. - General

What I've been trying to work out is if the common game scenario of RPG etc against human works or not. Would a conventional charged AT warhead when fired at a person have sufficent impact to denotate, is the velocity that the warhead had been flying at enough to cause detonation on impact with a person or will it just be a large amount of blunt force?

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Time to flex my chemistry muscle. What would be a more feasible anti-personnel explosive would be a hot acid bomb. Low-yield explosive that spatters hot Sulphuric/Nitric/hydrofluoric acid all over, and if you think that there has to be contact for the acid to kill you are forgetting the vile, vile fumes This rapes the geneva treaty right up the ass though.

I guess this counts as the thing I learn today.

Sodium doesn't really react quickly enough with water to be a feasible explosive. Most of the time, it deflagrates (burns) rather than detonates. Not only that, but you need very pure sodium. Which is damn hard to come by. So in all honesty, it's not too feasible. Only advantage of it over hydrogen (the actual explosive) is that it's solid, and so in theory doesn't need a container... But it does need some kind of coating to prevent it reacting with water vapour in air, so in all honesty, you'd be better going with procuring some hydrogen, or a source thereof.

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29213731]Time to flex my chemistry muscle. What would be a more feasible anti-personnel explosive would be a hot acid bomb. Low-yield explosive that spatters hot Sulphuric/Nitric/hydrofluoric acid all over, and if you think that there has to be contact for the acid to kill you are forgetting the vile, vile fumes This rapes the geneva treaty right up the ass though.[/QUOTE] What if you're wearing a mask and "just" suffer burns. Most weapons are made to kill, not to harass. That's the job of guerilla fighters.

[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;29213731]Time to flex my chemistry muscle. What would be a more feasible anti-personnel explosive would be a hot acid bomb. Low-yield explosive that spatters hot Sulphuric/Nitric/hydrofluoric acid all over, and if you think that there has to be contact for the acid to kill you are forgetting the vile, vile fumes This rapes the geneva treaty right up the ass though.[/QUOTE] Too much of an environmental risk, you'll be contaminating a large area just to get a few people through. At the range of an tactical acid bomb, it's better just to use anti-personnel rounds that utilize fragmenting, or depleted uranium weapons. Not only would you instantly kill all opposition, you don't have to worry about HAZMAT clean-up.

[QUOTE=sami-elite;29216881]What if you're wearing a mask and "just" suffer burns. Most weapons are made to kill, not to harass. That's the job of guerilla fighters.[/QUOTE] So acid type weapons are far more feasible for guerrilla fighters/insurgents because wounds and burns look far worse then a coffin and of course insurgents don't really get the protection of the geneva convention so they really could use those without problem.

A suit made of this stuff would be awesome, but would be heavier than fuck.

You forgot kinetic rounds!

Conventional weapons are boring. Tactical nukes are where the shit is at. [editline]16th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=PyroCF;29218496]You forgot kinetic rounds![/QUOTE] Kinetic anti armor penetrators and also most fun conventional weapons, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_all_bombs"]thermobaric weapons[/URL]. [editline]16th April 2011[/editline] Also, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium]depleted uranium[/url] is worth mentioning.

Yay for napalm [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/US_riverboat_using_napalm_in_Vietnam.jpg[/img] one of the most fucking horrifying things ever conceived of, basically a burning mixture of polystyrene and benzene (modern napalm anyway, known as Napalm B), sticks to the skin and causes third degree burns [quote=Wikipedia]"Napalm is the most terrible pain you can imagine," said [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Th%E1%BB%8B_Kim_Ph%C3%BAc"]Kim Phúc[/URL], a napalm bombing survivor known from a famous Vietnam War photograph. "Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius (212°F). Napalm generates temperatures of 800 (1,500°F) to 1,200 degrees Celsius (2,200°F).[/quote]

Worth noting that original napalm was [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprecipitated"]coprecipitated[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum"]aluminum[/URL] salts of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphthenic_acid"][B]na[/B]phthenic[/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmitic_acid"][B]palm[/B]itic[/URL] acids, so the name actually made sense.

Is thermite an effective armor melting substance? Could it be used in explosive ordinance and chemical cartridges?

Thermite burns too slowly to be shot in form of antitank or other rounds.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rxBifd0cY[/url] This is the best kind of armor currently.

Would it be feasible to make a disorientation weapon, like a scaled up flashbang? Something that destroys the windows and deafens all people within a tightly controlled radius? Would this be practical, or does this already exist?

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;29217460]Too much of an environmental risk, you'll be contaminating a large area just to get a few people through. At the range of an tactical acid bomb, it's better just to use anti-personnel rounds that utilize fragmenting, or depleted uranium weapons. Not only would you instantly kill all opposition, you don't have to worry about HAZMAT clean-up.[/QUOTE] Could be used as air dropped munitions as a area denial weapon In the sane way as gas or cluster munitions. [editline]17th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Shostakovich;29232087]Would it be feasible to make a disorientation weapon, like a scaled up flashbang? Something that destroys the windows and deafens all people within a tightly controlled radius? Would this be practical, or does this already exist?[/QUOTE] A thermite flashbang would pretty much burn what ever building there in down.

Fuel air bombs are the bee's knees [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmRASCHJe2Q[/media]

[QUOTE=The Vman;29235758]Fuel air bombs are the bee's knees [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmRASCHJe2Q[/media][/QUOTE] I was going to make a meaningful reply to that but then I saw your avatar and lost my train of thought damn you.

[QUOTE=archangel125;29210795]Oh, sure. Just not practical in military applications. I've only ever seen tiny amounts of sodium reacting with water, but I'm not entirely certain it can be used effectively in larger bombs. Why do you ask? [editline]16th April 2011[/editline] You kill it with armor-penetrating saboted shells, anything with a high density and velocity, or an anti-tank warhead. [editline]16th April 2011[/editline] Was that even a serious question?[/QUOTE] Tanks don't live.

[QUOTE=killover;29235959]Tanks don't live.[/QUOTE] Quite.

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I remember in armour/weapons recognition class, this one guy described the Claymore as an APM primarily used by snipers, that was triggered using infrared sensors. You could [I]hear[/I] the facepalms.

[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;29237454]I remember in armour/weapons recognition class, this one guy described the Claymore as an APM primarily used by snipers, that was triggered using infrared sensors. You could [I]hear[/I] the facepalms.[/QUOTE] Are there actual people like this? Oh my lord. I've never taken any weapons course and know that Claymores are detonator based.

[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;29237454]I remember in armour/weapons recognition class, this one guy described the Claymore as an APM primarily used by snipers, that was triggered using infrared sensors. You could [I]hear[/I] the facepalms.[/QUOTE] CoD is actually Chinese sabotage meant to seed the next generation of American soldiers with utter idiocy.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;29239424]CoD is actually Chinese sabotage meant to seed the next generation of American soldiers with utter idiocy.[/QUOTE] It's been that way since MGS 1, though they did specify it was advanced stealth claymores. But even in MGS3 it was IR trigger. Wait WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT