Is guro/gore-centric pronography wrong? - General

[QUOTE=Rubs10;33880898]Really? I'd like to see some evidence for that. From what I understand, this stuff is appealing because it's mostly abnormal, not because of the content itself.[/QUOTE] I think he was just drawing a reversed conclusion. A more sensible conclusion would be that most murderers and serial killers "gets off" to torture/death/etc. (This conclusion leaves space for people who get off to torture/death/etc. without being murderers and serial killers, whereas the reversed conclusion would mean that ALL people who like torture and death are serial killers.)

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33882751]First of all, it's not a slippery slope in the slightest. I have never been tempted to kill a person. I don't want to kill a person. I don't start masturbating or get horny when someone dies because they got ran over by a bus. All of this is because I don't think with my cock, I think with my head. Games are [i]not[/i] different, because the gore is usually a fucking selling point. Mortal Kombat and shit like that sell because you get to punch a guys fucking head off and then eat it, with blood pouring everywhere. I've been masturbating to guro for a long time and it hasn't made me want to go cut off someones face. This 'slippery slope' idea is bulldick. There is no reason to deny myself harmless sexual pleasure like you want me to. Stop trying to control my fucking mind because you don't like what it thinks.[/QUOTE] Okay you can masturbate to ripped apart carcasses. Is that what you want to hear? Now you can feel good about yourself and your lovely fantasies.

[QUOTE=Collin665;33885685]Okay you can masturbate to bodies that are ripped apart and bleeding. Is that what you want to hear? Now you can feel good about yourself and your lovely fantasies.[/QUOTE] You act as though I will feel bad about that simple fact, and that I should feel bad. You are mistaken on both fronts. Do not attempt to guilt me into silence.

>> Implying you shouldn't feel bad.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;33867933]I'm not saying everyone who likes it is a killer I'm just saying look at various serial killers and a chunk of them will share a common interest in getting off to death[/QUOTE] I'm not saying all your posts sound like you're talking out of your ass, but the ones in this thread certainly do. Although no studies exist that I could find on the subject, I'm fairly certain the vast majority of people who look at guro would never even think of attempting anything they see in Guro. Serial killers are often introverts. Does that mean every introvert out there is going to go out and kill people? No. What you've pointed out based on your own opinion is highly irrelevant to the question asked. On topic, I wouldn't say it's wrong or should be illegal, but it would certainly be interesting to see why anyone would be attracted to gore. I'm attracted to blood (does that count as guro still?), but I don't believe I have any significant reasons behind that. I wonder if most fetishes could be the same way, you're just "born with them".

[QUOTE=Collin665;33885792]>> Implying you shouldn't feel bad.[/QUOTE] Why would I feel bad about a sexual desire that I did not choose? Why would I feel bad for taking sexual pleasure in a fictional, animated event? Why would I deny myself private sexual pleasures because others will judge? It perplexes me how people like you are unable to separate that which is reality and that which is drawn. I do not desire to masturbate to real people being harmed, nor do I wish to inflict that harm myself. I, in fact, have seen such awfulness inflicted upon others in the real world and was shocked and saddened, not aroused. I don't hold such care for a collection of drawings, and I don't know why you think I should.

Have we defined what the OP meant by "wrong" yet? Because without "wrong" being defined it's kinda hard to tell what this argument is about.

[QUOTE=Noble;33885852]Have we defined what the OP meant by "wrong" yet? Because without "wrong" being defined it's kinda hard to tell what this argument is about.[/QUOTE] That is something I forgot to touch on. I assume 'wrong' in this context is supposed to mean morally wrong, which is a pointless question as every person has their own set of morals. Nothing is wrong in this sense, so long as you are not a person.

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33880328]If it's not drawn harmless my ass.[/QUOTE] When is the last time you've [b][i]ever[/i][/b] heard of or seen guro in real life? Hell, I doubt even the people who have a strong guro fetish would jack off to a real-life guro photo shoot. Only the drawn stuff. Now if someone [i]was[/i] to go out and do a real-life guro thing, it'd be immoral and wrong as fuck. But I doubt anyone would do that and then put it up on the internet and then have a bunch of people jack off to it. [editline]24th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Collin665;33880968][b]If you get off to the gore you really need to change subjects. It truly is a slippery slope from fantasy to acting out in reality when you gain physical pleasure from that subject.[/b] Games are different because the gore itself isn't what you gain physical pleasure from, its the action of the game and gore tends to add immersion and some social aspects. And besides, sexual pleasure is much more powerful than the form of pleasure that games provide. Likewise, if you gain pleasure from the simple taboo of gore and not the gore itself, that is even more incentive to look at other types of pornography. There are numerous other fetishes that are taboo, but don't display the pain and suffering of human beings. Not only will it be easier to switch to these other taboo things, but otherwise I think you might over time become attracted to the gore itself, which once more brings up the matter of a slippery slope. [b]Changing fetishes isn't actually that hard, its a matter of classical conditioning. I've done it myself a few times. In fact, how do you think you gained an attraction to gore in the first place?[/b][/QUOTE] You could not be any more wrong if you tried. There is a [b]huge[/b] jump between fantasizing about something for pleasure and actually doing it. I'm sure at some point in your life, someone has made you angry enough to want to hurt them. Did you actually go do it? Probably not. And don't start that conditioning bullshit, that's just like parents who try to make their gay son or daughter straight.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;33885923]When is the last time you've [b][i]ever[/i][/b] heard of or seen guro in real life? Hell, I doubt even the people who have a strong guro fetish would jack off to a real-life guro photo shoot. Only the drawn stuff. Now if someone [i]was[/i] to go out and do a real-life guro thing, it'd be immoral and wrong as fuck. But I doubt anyone would do that and then put it up on the internet and then have a bunch of people jack off to it. [editline]24th December 2011[/editline] You could not be any more wrong if you tried. There is a [b]huge[/b] jump between fantasizing about something for pleasure and actually doing it. I'm sure at some point in your life, someone has made you angry enough to want to hurt them. Did you actually go do it? Probably not. And don't start that conditioning bullshit, that's just like parents who try to make their gay son or daughter straight.[/QUOTE] A. Its called snuff. Its a pretty lucrative business from what I understand. B. Its a jump, yes, but it happens sometimes. The only thing that is probably worse would be to keep the desire and not have any way to release it, and thus you would build it up until you had to release it. C. No I've never really been angry enough to hurt someone and not hurt them. And when I've been angry enough to hurt people, it was only enough to push them and maybe punch them, but nothing like ripping peoples intestines from their stomach before I proceeded to masturbate. D. There is a huge difference between gay/straight and "I masturbate to dead people". I'll give you a hint, one is innate, and the other isn't. Our body doesn't have the capability to push us toward the like of dead people on its own, just like our body doesn't have the capability of pushing us toward the fetish of high heels. In fact our body probably doesn't realize what shoes, let alone high heels, are until our intellect is developed enough. (Oh and a significant part of sexual identity does come from development, just it can't /purely/ come from it.)

Sexual arousal is subconscious, so it should not be "wrong" by moral standards. But is it weird? Hell to the yes, since you're getting off on the imaginary suffering of others.

[QUOTE=Collin665;33886057]A. Its called snuff. Its a pretty lucrative business from what I understand. B. Its a jump, yes, but it happens sometimes. The only thing that is probably worse would be to keep the desire and not have any way to release it, and thus you would build it up until you had to release it. C. No I've never really been angry enough to hurt someone and not hurt them. And when I've been angry enough to hurt people, it was only enough to push them and maybe punch them, but nothing like ripping peoples intestines from their stomach before I proceeded to masturbate. D. There is a huge difference between gay/straight and "I masturbate to dead people". I'll give you a hint, one is innate, and the other isn't. Our body doesn't have the capability to push us toward the like of dead people on its own, just like our body doesn't have the capability of pushing us toward the fetish of high heels. In fact our body probably doesn't realize what shoes, let alone high heels, are until our intellect is developed enough. (Oh and a significant part of sexual identity does come from development, just it can't /purely/ come from it.)[/QUOTE] A. Snuff is different than guro. B. If that jump happens then the problem is the person, and not what they get off to. C. When did I say that analogy had anything to do with sexual desires? D. Where is any evidence for this? I could make the same argument that our body doesn't have the capability to push us towards the like of our own gender. And that's clearly bullshit.

I don't have any problems with people that are into it, but I would certainly question their sanity. There's a difference between being a fetishist and a sick fuck. It's not wrong, but that doesn't make it right either.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33885844] It perplexes me how people like you are unable to separate that which is reality and that which is drawn. I do not desire to masturbate to real people being harmed, nor do I wish to inflict that harm myself. I, in fact, have seen such awfulness inflicted upon others in the real world and was shocked and saddened, not aroused.[/QUOTE] This right here puzzles me, because most people who have sexual desires for something will view it on the computer or something like that and wish that it was acted out in real life or right in front of them. Exactly why drawn furry porn is often acted out in real life. It seems that's what pornographic material is for, you're imagining it being done to you or in the presence of you. How can you find something attractive from viewing the images but when it's present and real right in front of you, you suddenly get turned off by it? That's not how it would work for any other type of pornographic fetish, you would instantly become aroused by it if it was happening in reality. It's like you are attracted to the imagery of something but when it becomes a reality it turns you off? That's why I think it could be considered immoral and potentially harmful, because I can easily imagine someones ultimate pleasure from viewing this stuff would be to have it as a reality someday and possibly act out on it.

I can't even stand it if the girl has scratches on her. I don't see how having someones chest cavity opened while being flayed alive and skullfucked can be arousing to any sane person. Still no reason for it to be illegal. Like Loli.

[QUOTE=locojaws;33886499]This right here puzzles me, because most people who have sexual desires for something will view it on the computer or something like that and wish that it was acted out in real life or right in front of them. Exactly why drawn furry porn is often acted out in real life. It seems that's what pornographic material is for, you're imagining it being done to you or in the presence of you. How can you find something attractive from viewing the images but when it's present and real right in front of you, you suddenly get turned off by it? That's not how it would work for any other type of pornographic fetish, you would instantly become aroused by it if it was happening in reality. It's like you are attracted to the imagery of something but when it becomes a reality it turns you off? That's why I think it could be considered immoral and potentially harmful, because I can easily imagine someones ultimate pleasure from viewing this stuff would be to have it as a reality someday and possibly act out on it.[/QUOTE] Well, I suppose an argument could be made in regards to the distinction between hentai and real-life. There are some major discrepancies between hentai and real-life, and I can imagine an argument being made that the art-style of hentai guro is as much a factor in attraction as the guro itself - and since real-life does not have that art-style, that missing element is enough to negate the attraction. In fact, the few fragments of hentai guro I have (unfortunately) witnessed over the years is [b]vastly[/b] different between the few fragments of actual gore I have (unfortunately) seen. For example, with the exception of the occasional "hyper-realistically-drawn" hentai, the gore in hentai is usually a lot "cleaner" than the often jagged, tear-like gore that often results in real life. The hentai versions are more... surgical, I suppose... than actual gore resulting from (for example) tripping and falling onto a real chainsaw (which results in a lot of tearing, rending, ripping, and gouging; a level of detail that guro hentai doesn't generally subscribe to). Of course, such an argument could also be countered to argue that the subject does not have an attraction to the gore itself, but more to the art style [b]of[/b] that gore. Though I don't think such a small detail would really cause any difference.

I find it gross, disgusting, and overall horrible, but if no one is actually getting hurt, then it's not really wrong.

[QUOTE=TCB;33867991]Well, it's like saying "is it weird to be attracted to feet". Just one involved gore.[/QUOTE] Yes but foot fetishes aren't about disembowelling a woman alive and then fucking her entrails. I have no real problem with it but find it horrifically unattractive and avoid it wherever possible [editline]25th December 2011[/editline] Then again i have no problem with certain degrees of ethnic cleansing/genocide in certain circumstances so i'm a despicable human being.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;33886854] Then again i have no problem with certain degrees of ethnic cleansing/genocide in certain circumstances so i'm a despicable human being.[/QUOTE] I agree with your first bit but whoa where did that come from.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;33877101]Uh well yeah since that is the whole point of this guro stuff[/QUOTE] How about you actually stand up to my argument instead of being a smug little prick who has no idea what he's talking about. Your stupid and lame comment wasn't witty and you are nothing short of a dumb idiot and a boner.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;33886909]I agree with your first bit but whoa where did that come from.[/QUOTE] I don't fucking know i've been disgusted at the world lately

As long as it isn't rape its alright by me.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;33899120]As long as it isn't rape its alright by me.[/QUOTE] This makes no sense at all because the majority of guro porn has the girl (or guy) getting raped. It's part of the thing, ya know. Captured, raped, gutted.

I browse gurochan because for some reason it's interesting as fuck all those monsters n shit never fap to all that

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;33899347]This makes no sense at all because the majority of guro porn has the girl (or guy) getting raped. It's part of the thing, ya know. Captured, raped, gutted.[/QUOTE]Not to mention since it's drawn who cares.

I view it the same way as lolicon, it creeps me out but it should be allowed as long as it doesn't include real living beings being hurt. If people have these fetishes then they have these fetishes, it's better they learn to control them with fake porn of this type than real stuff.

[QUOTE=xXDictatorXx;33902169]fake porn[/QUOTE] You mean pornography that's not sexual?

As a member of Documenting Reality, I can say that there's tons of things wrong with recording such photography for any emotional reasons besides symphaty of witnessing something as tragic as a life being taken. Any humoristic or even sexual reasons to record it is purely insanity.

So basically, "is it wrong to have a fetish?" Not to say I don't think it's messed up.

[QUOTE=Sharker;33903856]So basically, "is it wrong to have a fetish?" Not to say I don't think it's messed up.[/QUOTE] Anything with the intention of harming one self or others is wrong.