Is guro/gore-centric pronography wrong? - General

Don't like it don't watch it. Everyone is happy. That's my view on it.

[QUOTE=Collin665;33886057]A. Its called snuff. Its a pretty lucrative business from what I understand.[/QUOTE] Your understanding is wrong. [quote=Wikipedia]For-profit snuff films are generally regarded as an urban legend, whose persistence demonstrates more about our anxieties than the reality of such films being made. Some filmed records of executions and murders exist but have not been made or released for commercial purposes.[/quote] [quote]D. There is a huge difference between gay/straight and "I masturbate to dead people". I'll give you a hint, one is innate, and the other isn't. Our body doesn't have the capability to push us toward the like of dead people on its own, just like our body doesn't have the capability of pushing us toward the fetish of high heels. In fact our body probably doesn't realize what shoes, let alone high heels, are until our intellect is developed enough. (Oh and a significant part of sexual identity does come from development, just it can't /purely/ come from it.)[/quote] You're gonna have to support this with some data. Specifically to back up these factual claims: [quote]one is innate, and the other isn't.[/quote] [quote]our body doesn't have the capability of pushing us toward the fetish of high heels[/quote] [editline]26th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Tools;33903978]Anything with the intention of harming one self or others is wrong.[/QUOTE] why that which is in the mind is different to that which is in reality. [editline]26th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Tools;33903801]As a member of Documenting Reality, I can say that there's tons of things wrong with recording such photography for any emotional reasons besides symphaty of witnessing something as tragic as a life being taken. Any humoristic or even sexual reasons to record it is purely insanity.[/QUOTE] so in this we have a) argument from authority b) sweeping generalisations c) no evidence

I think it's weird that people enjoy watching them. I accidentally came across a video recently of two Mexicans being executed by a rival cartel. The first had his head chainsawed off and the other had his throat slit with a very dull knife (the guy was just trying to saw away at him for several minutes, I turned it off as soon as it started). It was quite disgusting watching the guy get his head chainsawed but I read the comments, and people seemed to fucking love it. I know there are sadists in the world, but these people are putting things like "I've seen people being decapitated before, but never with a chainsaw, thanks for this!" and stuff like that. I think it's wrong, but on the other hand, it was going to happen no matter what and I'd rather that those sorts of people look for that on the internet, rather than go out and try to do it to other people for real. It's just a shame it exists in any form really. [editline]26th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;33899120]As long as it isn't rape its alright by me.[/QUOTE] I'd rather watch rape than snuff, personally.

[QUOTE=Jookia;33903710]You mean pornography that's not sexual?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how you got that from what I said, but what I meant was drawn/animated/staged guro porn rather than real violence inflicted onto living beings.

I know you can't choose your sexuality but rationally one would be avoidant of that stuff. So I'd imagine you'd need to be very fucked up to not avoid it. It's not immoral, just [I]extremely [/I]creepy. I know a fox news republican who believes that if Liberals 'took over the country' the constitution would be removed, he is into hard vore, is a furry, and a heavy Christian. Even described the sensation of roleplaying it. Shit's wrong. [editline]29th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Collin665;33880968]If you get off to the gore you really need to change subjects. It truly is a slippery slope from fantasy to acting out in reality when you gain physical pleasure from that subject.[/QUOTE] Ummm no it doesn't work that way unless you're truly fucked in the head to begin with. Sure, it's irrational and insane to like gore, but it's still very much in the realm of sanity. Actually acting it out is purely different.

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[QUOTE=Tomthetechy;33954556]Too scared to Google, What does it Entail?[/QUOTE] What would you imagine? Guro generally consists of people being shot, stabbed, chainsawed, torn apart, etc, etc, usually with excessive amounts of blood spewing everywhere (sometimes you can even find images that have organs spilling out and such), all in sexual overtones (for example, a dude having sex with a chick who has suffered one or more of the above injuries, or is currently sustaining such injuries) Another example of the sexual overtone is such injuries being inflicted upon a person in an otherwise sexual context, such as being topless and/or playing with themselves (note that guro often includes where such acts are inflicting some injury, such as masturbating with a knife blade).

[QUOTE=Gmod3ever;33954603]What would you imagine? Guro generally consists of people being shot, stabbed, chainsawed, torn apart, etc, etc, usually with excessive amounts of blood spewing everywhere (sometimes you can even find images that have organs spilling out and such), all in sexual overtones (for example, a dude having sex with a chick who has suffered one or more of the above injuries, or is currently sustaining such injuries) Another example of the sexual overtone is such injuries being inflicted upon a person in an otherwise sexual context, such as being topless and/or playing with themselves (note that guro often includes where such acts are inflicting some injury, such as masturbating with a knife blade).[/QUOTE] Why would anyone see that as "Right"?

[QUOTE=Aman VII;33868053]My only 'evidence' is me finding people getting off to suffering and death creepy and not the norm along with reading about a shit ton of serial killers. Guess it's sort of ironic I find this gore porn weird and creepy but I really enjoy reading about every killer out there.[/QUOTE] This isn't evidence at all though! You can't just decide that you think something is creepy/abnormal, and then pull something out of your ass about them being 'more likely to be serial killers'. There's no support for that.

Now Imma connect some dots. The increase in people with gore fetishes would mostly have to be the increase of multimedia accessibility. That being because people usually form their fetish from childhood. How would someone get a gore fetish from childhood? Not from real-life experiences (which most likely would actually, but that would be too damaging and would include multitude of other probable mentalities) but from TV, internet, books, pictures, and comics (I may also add that it may be the reason to the increase of many different kinds of fetishes). The ease of access to this content can allow any kid to reinforce their fetish for any kind. Gore would most likely come from connection from horror movies to erotic horror stories allowing their own imagination to discover their own fetish. That meaning its not as bad as people make it out to be because it has been diluted a lot over the past century from serial killers to anyone. That meaning it has little to no effect on someone's moral compass in the beginning. But just like everyone else jackin' it off to pictures ain't gonna do overtime. There might be gore sex toys (I don't want to know) and people out there who would probably want to share their fetish with a partner who has the same fetish (Or might not in which you might get those rare cases of killers and rapists). General culture might regard this wrong and unnerving and it is to us, but to those that have the gore fetish its their won world and we don't need to involve ourselves unless it truly affects our lifestyle (in which I wouldn't know what do about it or how it would affect us DIRECTLY at a constant rate). Gore fetishes may be creepy, but its something you can't really change about someone (being their fetish).

[QUOTE=Tomthetechy;33954756]Why would anyone see that as "Right"?[/QUOTE] The overtolerant community of facepunch. Grow some balls facepunchers and realise that not everything is tolerable and right.

[QUOTE=Garik;33979923]The overtolerant community of facepunch. Grow some balls facepunchers and realise that not everything is tolerable and right.[/QUOTE] Why I tolerate a lot of things, but one that I don't is bad arguments, especially when they're prescriptivist [editline]31st December 2011[/editline] [quote]The increase in people with gore fetishes would mostly have to be the increase of multimedia accessibility.[/quote] Your evidence for this? [quote]That meaning its not as bad as people make it out to be because it has been diluted a lot over the past century from serial killers to anyone. That meaning it has little to no effect on someone's moral compass in the beginning.[/quote] Could you clarify what you mean here?

If its purely Physiological, Then they should keep it to themselves. You don't just say you can't get off unless they lack limbs.

If it is drawn then I guess it is a sort of "whatever floats your boat" deal. If it is real then to me, it is on par with paedophilia to me.

[QUOTE=Garik;33979923]The overtolerant community of facepunch. Grow some balls facepunchers and realise that not everything is tolerable and right.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Tomthetechy;33954756]Why would anyone see that as "Right"?[/QUOTE] It's because morality has proven itself to be "limited" and subjective numerous times. It's also "wrong" to have a straight face while gunning down pedestrians in GTA from the perspective of someone else. It doesn't make them "right" however.

Everybody who's saying that it doesn't correlate into your personality is insane. Sex drive is one of the most powerful things that resides in anybody. It has a huge impact on your personality. Nobody jacks off to disembodied legs and then goes about their day like the rest of us, there's more to it than just the sexual attraction, which in itself incidentally affects the rest of your personality. You have to understand that this fetish in particular is a huge deviation from the typical attractive features, and should suggest that there's something not quite right with the individual mentally; I don't care if they can control it or not, insane people aren't fun to hang out with.

[QUOTE=Downsider;33981304]Everybody who's saying that it doesn't correlate into your personality is insane. Sex drive is one of the most powerful things that resides in anybody. It has a huge impact on your personality. Nobody jacks off to disembodied legs and then goes about their day like the rest of us, there's more to it than just the sexual attraction, which in itself incidentally affects the rest of your personality. You have to understand that this fetish in particular is a huge deviation from the typical attractive features, and should suggest that there's something not quite right with the individual mentally; I don't care if they can control it or not, insane people aren't fun to hang out with.[/QUOTE] I agree that sex drive is powerful, and that it has a huge impact on your personality. But to make specific assumptions about [I]how[/I] it affects someone's personality, I do not think is right. Being attracted to disembodied limbs and body parts is bound to affect the person in many ways, for example it is very likely that the person will be an outcast and thus be more of a loner, that he'll have low self-esteem because he will obviously know that his attractions are deviant and will also likely think they are wrong, too. To say that a certain sexual attraction is just closely tied up with how mentally stable that person is, I believe that is wrong. There's always a huge variety in people of any sexuality, so I find that assumption to be outrageous. If you really believe that all people with fetishes that are "a huge deviation" from the norm are insane, then I think you'd be extremely surprised if you could somehow know everyone's sexualities.

[QUOTE=Downsider;33981304]Everybody who's saying that it doesn't correlate into your personality is insane. Sex drive is one of the most powerful things that resides in anybody. It has a huge impact on your personality. Nobody jacks off to disembodied legs and then goes about their day like the rest of us, there's more to it than just the sexual attraction, which in itself incidentally affects the rest of your personality.[/QUOTE] do you have any evidence for this

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;33982353]do you have any evidence for this[/QUOTE] There is a lot of evidence that suggests that exposure to excessive amounts of violence can have an impact on your personality. Now combine that with one of our strongest and most animalistic psychological needs and I think you have a big problem.

There's a thread like this right here on facepunch if you didn't already know... [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1005503[/url] :suicide:

[QUOTE=Downsider;33982393]Now combine that with one of our strongest and most animalistic psychological needs and I think you have a big problem.[/QUOTE] do you have any evidence for this I'm going to keep repeating this mantra until you give me some proof that having fetishes impacts on societal integration, otherwise I'm going to go with the more likely alternative, which is that fetishes seem more dangerous to society because of a loud minority

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;33982556]do you have any evidence for this I'm going to keep repeating this mantra until you give me some proof that having fetishes impacts on societal integration, otherwise I'm going to go with the more likely alternative, which is that fetishes seem more dangerous to society because of a loud minority[/QUOTE] Uh, you do realize pedophiles and rapists like.. pedophilia and rape, right? I'm not saying that you will act on those if you have those fetishes, but someone who doesn't like rape and pedophilia won't just go and fucking rape a little kid. You have to like it in order to do it. In simplest terms, the fetish is the first step. Being desperate or insane is the next, but regardless, the first step has to happen before the second one can.

[QUOTE=Downsider;33982650]Uh, you do realize pedophiles and rapists like.. pedophilia and rape, right? I'm not saying that you will act on those if you have those fetishes, but someone who doesn't like rape and pedophilia won't just go and fucking rape a little kid. You have to like it in order to do it. In simplest terms, the fetish is the first step. Being desperate or insane is the next, but regardless, the first step has to happen before the second one can.[/QUOTE] so people can't be insane if they don't have a fetish? what I'm trying to say is that so far you've not given any evidence that having weird fetishes [I]causes[/I] real world rapes or whatever. for all we know, the actual rapists and child molesters are only a small subset of a much larger population of people with those fetishes. I see a correlation, but not a causation

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;33982844]so people can't be insane if they don't have a fetish? what I'm trying to say is that so far you've not given any evidence that having weird fetishes [I]causes[/I] real world rapes or whatever. for all we know, the actual rapists and child molesters are only a small subset of a much larger population of people with those fetishes. I see a correlation, but not a causation[/QUOTE] You don't rape if you don't like rape. You don't fuck kids if you don't like fucking kids. First step, remember? Without the first step, the second never happens. Is that not enough reason for it to be immoral?

[QUOTE=Downsider;33981304]Everybody who's saying that it doesn't correlate into your personality is insane. Sex drive is one of the most powerful things that resides in anybody. It has a huge impact on your personality. Nobody jacks off to disembodied legs and then goes about their day like the rest of us, there's more to it than just the sexual attraction, which in itself incidentally affects the rest of your personality. You have to understand that this fetish in particular is a huge deviation from the typical attractive features, and should suggest that there's something not quite right with the individual mentally; I don't care if they can control it or not, insane people aren't fun to hang out with.[/QUOTE] You'll be surprised on how people with odd fetishes act normal. Of course, you won't know that since they refuse to tell anyone of it. This is due to their fear of being labeled as "insane".

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;33982556]do you have any evidence for this I'm going to keep repeating this mantra until you give me some proof that having fetishes impacts on societal integration, otherwise I'm going to go with the more likely alternative, which is that fetishes seem more dangerous to society because of a loud minority[/QUOTE] It's not like the thoughts and urges that make up fetishes are isolated from the rest of your personality, so those thoughts [I]are[/I] going to affect the way you think. I don't know, but it just seems obvious to me.

I understand some people look at whatever it takes to get off. As long as they don't take it further than that am I concerned.

[QUOTE=Downsider;33982885]You don't rape if you don't like rape.[/quote] wrong [quote]You don't fuck kids if you don't like fucking kids.[/quote] wrong [quote]Is that not enough reason for it to be immoral?[/QUOTE] even if the above two were true, no

[QUOTE=Downsider;33981304]Everybody who's saying that it doesn't correlate into your personality is insane. Sex drive is one of the most powerful things that resides in anybody. It has a huge impact on your personality. Nobody jacks off to disembodied legs and then goes about their day like the rest of us, there's more to it than just the sexual attraction, which in itself incidentally affects the rest of your personality. You have to understand that this fetish in particular is a huge deviation from the typical attractive features, and should suggest that there's something not quite right with the individual mentally; I don't care if they can control it or not, insane people aren't fun to hang out with.[/QUOTE] I don't understand where you're getting this from. Have you actually read something that told you this, or are you just literally making it up because being attracted to gore sounds abnormal to you?

[QUOTE=Downsider;33982393]There is a lot of evidence that suggests that exposure to excessive amounts of violence can have an impact on your personality. Now combine that with one of our strongest and most animalistic psychological needs and I think you have a big problem.[/QUOTE] So I guess you want violent video games banned, then?