• Fucking ACTA and why WE must stop it.
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[QUOTE=The Best;24419460]I have a question for the United States; what groups will be reviewing this treaty before it is ratified? I've been hearing that since it's an international treaty, it goes straight to Obama and a two-thirds majority vote by the Senate. Do any U.S. courts get a say in this? The Supreme Court?[/QUOTE] All treaties have to be approved by the Supreme Court, as it's their main job to make sure treaties and laws are constitutional.
Woah saw this in another forum....I going to spread the news Edit: I browse one forum and this user made a very good point. "No one can ever stop piracy and no one can ever truly govern the Internet. Do you honestly think any government or private organisation in the world, or even all of them combined, have the manpower to search every computer/mp3/PSP/PS3/360/PS2/CD/DVD (enter every and any device, storage medium, hard drive or person capable of storing illegal software here) ????? Not a chance....I'm not worried. The cat is already out of the bag, It cannot be put back in. Also there are no internet censorship policies here in the UK (not sure about all of Europe), and the one's in China can be easily overcome by anyone with half a brain. I've been pirating for over 2 decades, and started well before the internet was a mainstream way of exchanging pirated materials and it has expanded exponentially, it will continue to do so whatever the governments of the world do. [/rant]"
Singapore is affected. Malaysia is not. Malaysian anti-piracy commission is to lazy to do anything. YEAH! [editline]12:28PM[/editline] also, I am still gonna tribomb. Gonna help my good people who got affected. Imagine, 6 computer tribombing at the same time from the same IP. Hope that wont get my ISP's attention.
Because we all know online petitions work. :downs:
Who knows this could be all a lie, people might be over reacting.
[QUOTE=aydin690;24425589]Because we all know online petitions work. :downs:[/QUOTE] I'm sure an online petition with millions of people signing it will catch the governments eye.
[QUOTE=XxAthrunxX;24425742]I'm sure an online petition with millions of people signing it will catch the governments eye.[/QUOTE] And then they'll throw it in the garbage bin.
I highly doubt that decisions as important as this one could possibly be affected by petitions that are just as easily spammed as Fox News polls by 4chan. The anti-acta website even flaunts an auto-refresher as a way of keeping pageviews up, and pre-written identical letters which are basically spam for people to send to government officials. I think if people want something done, they have to speak for themselves and not become a tool, even for a good cause.
We might actually need to ask the knights of 4chan for help with the cause.
[QUOTE=kayOkay;24430621]We might actually need to ask the knights of 4chan for help with the cause.[/QUOTE] Because a slew of basement dwellers who spend their entire day jacking off and shouting WINRAR! are going to be able to help repeal an international treaty
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;24431103]Because a slew of basement dwellers who spend their entire day jacking off and shouting WINRAR! are going to be able to help repeal an international treaty[/QUOTE] its our only hope!...... oh fuck
This will never happen, friends. Call me ignorant, but depriving us of our privacy is against the basic human rights. Goverment officials will not vote for this. As stated, it's a suggestion, and it's not neccesarily going to be put to effect.
move to russia/ukraine or buy a vpn there problem solved [editline]04:30PM[/editline] you can pirate or do as much illegal shit as you want
I'm going to keep the tribomb tab open all day.
8639 reloads this session. I will keep it open all week
[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;24409621]I'm not a furry. Just because my avatar is a dragon does not make me a furry. And I wasn't telling you not to promote piracy on Facepunch. I said that saying "I'm going to promote piracy" on Facepunch WILL GET YOU BANNED. And once again, which part of my post displayed "conservative traits"? P.S. Even if I was a furry, how the hell would that make my point any less valid? [editline]05:12PM[/editline] I thought The Republic of Ireland was an EU member state too? Or dos it state specifically that SE is exempt from this?[/QUOTE] South isnt agreeing , im only abut a half hour from the border, dont know about Northern Ireland though :downs:
Left it on all night, 27400 reloads, I opened an ie and firefox window for about 700 reloads apiece.
[QUOTE=myng;24406972] 6. If ACTA is implemented, privacy on the internet is no longer a given. Internet Service Providers will be forced to monitor what websites you visit and what you type, search and do. People have a basic right to privacy that this treaty clearly ignores. Are you willing to pay this price? [/QUOTE] Doesn't something like this happen already? One of my friends got a fine or something.
[QUOTE=Kid Cudi;24423724]if you're wondering what Canada stance is in this, they basically don't give a fuck about anything else in the treaty except pirating. canada has been pretty cool with pirating, so this shouldn't do much.[/QUOTE] :D Yes! Fuck yeah Canada. I was really worried there. Hopefully we don't get fucked over for more money.
[QUOTE=Dbl_Henticker;24433025]This will never happen, friends. Call me ignorant, but depriving us of our privacy is against the basic human rights. Goverment officials will not vote for this. As stated, it's a suggestion, and it's not neccesarily going to be put to effect.[/QUOTE] Yes, you are ignorant. Governments have said that they support this and it [b]will[/b] get passed if something isn't done about it. [url=http://www.osnews.com/story/23002/Obama_Sides_with_RIAA_MPAA_Backs_ACTA]Obama supports it[/url] and [url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.michaelgeist.ca%2Fcontent%2Fview%2F4819%2F125%2F&rct=j&q=government%20supports%20acta&ei=PnN6TITlCsL98Aa0uZiXBw&usg=AFQjCNEeCc7FWXi8BpGb7AXL7MYRV9raeA&sig2=xJvgNc0-NahZXTq-RUjw4A&cad=rja]several others[/url] support it as well. The fact of the matter is if this trade agreement goes through, our "basic human rights" really won't mean shit.
[QUOTE=Kalamadea;24425234]All treaties have to be approved by the Supreme Court, as it's their main job to make sure treaties and laws are constitutional.[/QUOTE] supreme court has zero say in treaties
If this happens im selling my pc and buying a shitty laptop to use facebook and msn on. Seriously if i cant use STEAM etc= :suicide:
I don't get this hate. Stealing is a crime, and someone who commits a crime is technically a criminal. So yeah, anyone who steals music should be worried. Even if you're suspected of something it doesn't mean you can be charged. There are plenty of far worse criminals out there for people to care about pirates. The lawsuits against people caught are ridiculous, but the behaviour of some people against this and the so-called implications seem highly exaggerated. How can one possibly search through someone's device and know whether the contents have been obtained legally or not? There are numerous criteria here: purchases, international access of media, etc. It would be impossible to obtain information for every piece of media from every store and every content provider to know. Just because it provides the ability, it doesn't mean they have the capacity to do anything about it, and they probably never will. Most or all of these countries have also signed treaties and passed international laws for human rights. Just because ACTA's stuff may not be explicit in what websites can and cannot be blocked, it doesn't mean there are a ton of other national and international laws controlling what they can and can't do. Despite this, many countries' governments listed here already filter through websites mildly and block various items, so I don't see what the shock is here. I could go on for ages about this, but in conclusion, many of these points you have provided in your argument are so unbalanced and have so many flaws to the point of being just plain manipulative.
[quote=chaosseven;24435773]i don't get this hate. Stealing is a crime, and someone who commits a crime is technically a criminal. So yeah, anyone who steals music should be worried. Even if you're suspected of something it doesn't mean you can be charged. There are plenty of far worse criminals out there for people to care about pirates. The lawsuits against people caught are ridiculous, but the behaviour of some people against this and the so-called implications seem highly exaggerated. How can one possibly search through someone's device and know whether the contents have been obtained legally or not? There are numerous criteria here: Purchases, international access of media, etc. It would be impossible to obtain information for every piece of media from every store and every content provider to know. Just because it provides the ability, it doesn't mean they have the capacity to do anything about it, and they probably never will. Most or all of these countries have also signed treaties and passed international laws for human rights. Just because acta's stuff may not be explicit in what websites can and cannot be blocked, it doesn't mean there are a ton of other national and international laws controlling what they can and can't do. Despite this, many countries' governments listed here already filter through websites mildly and block various items, so i don't see what the shock is here. I could go on for ages about this, but in conclusion, many of these points you have provided in your argument are so unbalanced and have so many flaws to the point of being just plain manipulative.[/quote] :frogdowns:
[QUOTE=ChaosSeven;24435773]I don't get this hate. Stealing is a crime, and someone who commits a crime is technically a criminal. So yeah, anyone who steals music should be worried. Even if you're suspected of something it doesn't mean you can be charged. There are plenty of far worse criminals out there for people to care about pirates. The lawsuits against people caught are ridiculous, but the behaviour of some people against this and the so-called implications seem highly exaggerated. How can one possibly search through someone's device and know whether the contents have been obtained legally or not? There are numerous criteria here: purchases, international access of media, etc. It would be impossible to obtain information for every piece of media from every store and every content provider to know. Just because it provides the ability, it doesn't mean they have the capacity to do anything about it, and they probably never will. Most or all of these countries have also signed treaties and passed international laws for human rights. Just because ACTA's stuff may not be explicit in what websites can and cannot be blocked, it doesn't mean there are a ton of other national and international laws controlling what they can and can't do. Despite this, many countries' governments listed here already filter through websites mildly and block various items, so I don't see what the shock is here. I could go on for ages about this, but in conclusion, many of these points you have provided in your argument are so unbalanced and have so many flaws to the point of being just plain manipulative.[/QUOTE] It's hard to decide whether piracy is really stealing, since it's only copying software from one computer to the next. It's not like when you pirate, the companies who made the game have one less copy to sell. It doesn't work like that. It really depends on your definition of stealing.
You can't stop this legislation if they decide they want it to happen. The ability to defend capitalism in this way is all the west ever wanted out of the cold war.
A bunch of US Facepunchers should make a lawsuit aganst this. Internet v. World.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24435984]It's hard to decide whether piracy is really stealing, since it's only transferring software from one computer to the next. It's not like when you pirate, the companies who made the game have one less copy to sell. It doesn't work like that. It really depends on your definition of stealing.[/QUOTE] Piracy makes a copy. Stealing doesn't.
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