• Fucking ACTA and why WE must stop it.
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[QUOTE=superdinoman;24491153]Either people will revolt, accept it, or nothing at all will come of it. Kind of like the Patriot Act, although they use it to monitor phone lines, they dont use it to its full potential. [b]Good luck filing a lawsuit against a few million people at once.[/b][/QUOTE] I just wonder, how in the world would you keep tabs on every little thing that billions of Internet users do? In my opinion, this would be a logistical nightmare.
[QUOTE=Comtochus;24491530]I just wonder, how in the world would you keep tabs on every little thing that billions of Internet users do? In my opinion, this would be a logistical nightmare.[/QUOTE] Keyword: Private companies. There are hundreds of ISP's or more which the population is divided between in a very structured way. If each keeps traffic logs it suddenly becomes quite manageable. The actors that wants to see pirates (or anyone they can squeeze money from, really) are also private.
[QUOTE=Comtochus;24491530]I just wonder, how in the world would you keep tabs on every little thing that billions of Internet users do? In my opinion, this would be a logistical nightmare.[/QUOTE] Even with a super computer capable of handling all that data there would be far to many people to prosecute and prosecuting one over another would be nullified in a court. I mean I can see ISPs shutting people off the internet, but what happens when kids start pirating at school? What happens when a business worker uses the company computer system to pirate movies and music? You start getting into ISPs having to turn everyone off the internet and blocking everything. At this point there just wont be a use for the Internet in countries with a policy like this being enforced.
The thing is, Piracy is almost exactly like Shoplifting. Some people get caught, some don't, it's all up to who's chasing them. Going through with this is like messing with the natural order.
A teacher at my school tried to use Limewire to pirate music and it got flagged up with the ISP immediately so the school got into a lot of trouble. I think when it comes to cases like that they'll be special measures so the whole organization doesn't have to suffer.
Heres the thing, it is perfectly legal for me to download a music album if i have the CD and my DVD burner is broke. I have tons of Daft Punk music and my DVD drive broke, I went an downloaded all my albums. My ISP did call me but I explained the situation to them and they said that was perfectly legal. How will an airport or someone who confiscates someones laptop, phone, or ipod be able to tell if something is illegally obtained or was properly obtained from a CD?
well the EU is against it so I'm safe :dance:
[QUOTE=wewt!;24436548][URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=993308"]Everyone calm down[/URL][/QUOTE] That was written in march, and probably isn't valid by now, because as I've understood it, the European Union will apply ACTA in September. ( [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67J5A220100821[/url] )
[QUOTE=superdinoman;24491858]Heres the thing, it is perfectly legal for me to download a music album if i have the CD and my DVD burner is broke. I have tons of Daft Punk music and my DVD drive broke, I went an downloaded all my albums. My ISP did call me but I explained the situation to them and they said that was perfectly legal. How will an airport or someone who confiscates someones laptop, phone, or ipod be able to tell if something is illegally obtained or was properly obtained from a CD?[/QUOTE] That's a good question. For that matter, with how digital distribution is, how can they tell if you payed for the download or not?
[QUOTE=Glaber;24492628]That's a good question. For that matter, with how digital distribution is, how can they tell if you payed for the download or not?[/QUOTE] What about Steam? If they start blocking file sharing wont steam be affected majorly. If this makes it so people have to pay to use Steam thats gonna suck ass.
[QUOTE=RixxzIV;24492525]That was written in march, and probably isn't valid by now, because as I've understood it, the European Union will apply ACTA in September. ( [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67J5A220100821[/url] )[/QUOTE] They already strongly rejected it :colbert: [editline]12:59PM[/editline] On another note I sent an email to our pronvince represent in our parlament he replied with a basic tl;dr of unconstituational won't happen.
[QUOTE=Axiom :D;24494908][b]They already strongly rejected it[/b] :colbert: [editline]12:59PM[/editline] On another note I sent an email to our pronvince represent in our parlament he replied with a basic tl;dr of unconstituational won't happen.[/QUOTE] They obviously changed their minds.
[QUOTE=RixxzIV;24495154]They obviously changed their minds.[/QUOTE] Nope.
[QUOTE=zin908;24495367]Nope.[/QUOTE] Yes.
Jesus fuck, whats with the fear mongering? just stop, this wont go into effect, and if it does it will be repealed VERY QUICKLY
Dumbest law ever
[QUOTE=Trooper-guy1;24491320]I put your whole post on my facebook including a bunch of links. I don't know if that will help at all though.[/QUOTE] Most of my friends are too dumb about this stuff, But I did post it onto the walls of people who were acutaly internet smart, and they're helping.
I've been trying to rally people against ACTA as soon as I heard about it a few months back. Sadly though, people just don't take it seriously. They either don't understand the implications or don't care.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;24496162]Jesus fuck, whats with the fear mongering? just stop, this wont go into effect, and if it does it will be repealed VERY QUICKLY[/QUOTE] If you're thinking that any government, who is quite disadvantaged by your privacy and integrity, would never pass laws that infringe them you're gravely mistaken.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;24496162]Jesus fuck, whats with the fear mongering? just stop, this wont go into effect, and if it does it will be repealed VERY QUICKLY[/QUOTE] Yeah that's what we said about the Digital Economy Act.
I have to admit, this ACTA thing has changed my ways when it came to my past. I'm now using iTunes and buying music.
I think we pushed the government a little to hard. I mean isn't it our fault this policy is being recommended? I mean no piracy then no policy? Sometimes being strict is the only way for the message to get through. I don't agree at all with the policy but it's the way it will have to be. It's the way we learn.
For those who are concerned about ACTA and for those who live in the EU can once again beat it like in March. [url]https://www.eff.org/action/eu-action-alert-urge-your-mep-take-stand-internet-acta[/url] [url]http://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/Written_Declaration_12/2010_signatories_list[/url]
[QUOTE=mogul20478;24499419]I think we pushed the government a little to hard. I mean isn't it our fault this policy is being recommended? I mean no piracy then no policy? Sometimes being strict is the only way for the message to get through. I don't agree at all with the policy but it's the way it will have to be. It's the way we learn.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of laws that forbid the smuggling of illegal goods and human trafficking, yet plenty of criminals do get away with such activities. The World Trade Organization and governments have already help placed plenty of laws that makes internet piracy illegal. Despite dedicated measures taken against pirates, not very many of them are caught and punished and I don't think ACTA would do anything to reduce them. There is actually no need for ACTA at all and the lack of transparency doesn't make it very attractive. If you still think it's a good idea to let ACTA go in effect, let me ask you a question. If criminals break laws, does it mean they'll follow new ones?
[b]FUCK!![/b] I better start encrypting all my shit. :ohdear:
[QUOTE=mogul20478;24499419]I think we pushed the government a little to hard. I mean isn't it our fault this policy is being recommended? I mean no piracy then no policy? Sometimes being strict is the only way for the message to get through. I don't agree at all with the policy but it's the way it will have to be. It's the way we learn.[/QUOTE] The main problem is that piracy is constantly being used as an excuse to dismantle civil liberties that are normally protected by the constitution in a sneaky manner. We have laws handling piracy and institutions for enforcing them, and neither are proving to be effective - yet more laws of the same kind are on its way. As Comtochus wrote, these laws are misguided, and pave the way for practices a lot less noble and legitimate as going after filesharers. Personal integrity and Internet privacy is a thorn in the eye to the government; their job would be much easier if they had legitimate excuses ("piracy") to control or spy on you. For examples taken from OP on ACTA, if you legally let actors or agencies closely monitor private Internet traffic they will clearly be able to catch pirates more effectively, but should they wish to they will also be able to collect records on what websites you browse, what opinions you have, your religious beliefs, your network of contacts etc. This is information on individuals no government person should have access to. Or how about enforcing DRM to "combat piracy"? If no file hosting sites that could potentially host copyrighted content can legally exist, it would be the end for all forms of non-profit developed software since there would be no way to distribute it effectively (especially not if P2P becomes heavily regulated). We'd have to buy most of our software, and with little freeware competition the prices could go rampant. Or how about that monitor or media player refusing to play non-DRM protected songs and videos? You'd only be able to view "authorized" content. This would be a serious threat to free media and journalism. I can go on all day about risks with ACTA and similar. I'm not saying we will end up in a dystopian big brother society just because ACTA passes, but even a remote risk is a too large one; It's a slippery slope of no return.
[QUOTE=mogul20478;24499419]I think we pushed the government a little to hard. I mean isn't it our fault this policy is being recommended? I mean no piracy then no policy? Sometimes being strict is the only way for the message to get through. I don't agree at all with the policy but it's the way it will have to be. It's the way we learn.[/QUOTE] This policy won't stop piracy.
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Wait, how can ISPs watch EVERYONE 24/7? Impossible.
[QUOTE=LinuX;24502527]Wait, how can ISPs watch EVERYONE 24/7? Impossible.[/QUOTE] You're not using your personal computer 24/7. A few hours worth of traffic a day is not impossible to monitor. Simplest way is to keep records of traffic and dedicate server halls run search algorithms on keywords (or bit patterns) that may be interesting. The more specific you are in what you're searching for, the easier. I'm sure there are many more even more effective methods.
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