• Code Pink Calls Marines "War Criminals"
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[QUOTE=Welcometohel;19412959] I have 2 firends in China and they like it. [/QUOTE] They have to like it. Dissidents in China get put in jail. There is nothing wrong with Communism however. Its an ideal system, thats why it doesn't work.
" If your not willing to stand in front of our troops, feel free to stand in front of them" - Bumper sticker Words of wisdom.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;19394470]No you just can't realize that you're calling Nazi's evil like they were any different from British, French, Italians, Soviets, and Americans yes Americans. Their leaders were no different from ours. Their ideology was just as split and opinionated as anyone else's. No one is any less "evil" and if you really believe that you've watched too many war movies.[/QUOTE] Jawohl, mein Führer, die Schraube Hippies
[QUOTE=venom;19398853]On the contrary, the innocent person's blood would be on your hands if you DIDN'T intervene.[/QUOTE] No, the guilty would be the one with blood on their hands. However if I prevented it and killed an innocent person in the process then that innocent's blood would be on my hands. [QUOTE=combine487;19399412]Yeah, funny that Iraq didn't ask to be invaded. You know, because as soon as someone called for help they would have been gang raped by police officers and killed, with a photo sent to their family of it happening. People have this stupid idea that Iraq was some beautiful place before the invasion. It was anything but beautiful, it was a place of genocide and murder fueled by religous fanaticism. The Aztecs used to rip peoples chests open in order to make sure the sun rose every day. This was a central part of their culture. If they existed today, would you allow it to continue had you the power to stop it? I certainly would. Just because some people have long held traditions, doesn't mean they are to be respected. [/QUOTE] You aren't getting something, they didn't want our help. We can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Look at what is happening in Iraq right now, we are resented and hated. [editline]12:53AM[/editline] I mean how would you feel if the Chinese came in right now and occupied the USA(or UK if you are British) because the government wasn't "representing" you properly and hoped to set up a communist government they said [i]would[/i] represent and help you. :10bux: you wouldn't like it.
[QUOTE=Welcometohel;19412959]Whats wrong with communism? I have 2 firends in China and they like it. Dumbfucks who never lived under communist government or even know what the fuck communism is hate it. OMFG ITS COMMNIEZM I MAST HAET IT LUL[/QUOTE] China doesn't have true communism. There are still rich and poor, and it basically uses a free market system.
[QUOTE=Splode a Pinga;19414165]China doesn't have true communism. There are still rich and poor, and it basically uses a free market system.[/QUOTE] Real communism is anarchism.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;19413931]Jawohl, mein Führer, die Schraube Hippies[/QUOTE] Wow and I thought I was the fucking idiot.
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[QUOTE=keroba3;19414689]My country doesn't execute people, neither censors the internet, nor put them in prison for having an opinion.[/QUOTE] Those are aspects of an authoritarian government, not necessarily communist.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;19414055]No, the guilty would be the one with blood on their hands. However if I prevented it and killed an innocent person in the process then that innocent's blood would be on my hands. [B]If you intervened and killed a mugger who was going to kill an innocent person, you have a guilty person's blood on your hands, not an innocents. To combat crime is not to perpetrate crime.[/B] You aren't getting something, they didn't want our help. We can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Look at what is happening in Iraq right now, we are resented and hated. [B]I don't know my pacific war history so much, because I'm not American, but didn't the Japanese also pose a threat to the British colonies in East Asia, and America was allied with Great Britain.[/B] [editline]12:53AM[/editline] I mean how would you feel if the Chinese came in right now and occupied the USA(or UK if you are British) because the government wasn't "representing" you properly and hoped to set up a communist government they said [i]would[/i] represent and help you. :10bux: you wouldn't like it. [B]I wouldn't mind; I'm neither American or British.[/B][/QUOTE] See bold.
[quote]If you intervened and killed a mugger who was going to kill an innocent person, you have a guilty person's blood on your hands, not an innocents. To combat crime is not to perpetrate crime.[/quote] That's a different scenario than what I argued. If only the guilty person would be hurt then it is moral to take that route. [quote]I don't know my pacific war history so much, because I'm not American, but didn't the Japanese also pose a threat to the British colonies in East Asia, and America was allied with Great Britain.[/quote] The Americans allied to Great Britain when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, before that we were little more than friendly to each other. Also the Japanese only started to pose a threat to the British colonies [i]after[/i] the embargo. They didn't have any plans of attacking Great Britain until their resources were cut off and they had little other choice than to attack the resource rich British and Dutch holdings. [quote]I wouldn't mind; I'm neither American or British.[/quote] I seriously doubt you would want a foreign culture occupying your country and telling you how to run your shit.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;19414961]That's a different scenario than what I argued. If only the guilty person would be hurt then it is moral to take that route. [B]Fair enough.[/B] The Americans allied to Great Britain when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, before that we were little more than friendly to each other. Also the Japanese only started to pose a threat to the British colonies [i]after[/i] the embargo. They didn't have any plans of attacking Great Britain until their resources were cut off and they had little other choice than to attack the resource rich British and Dutch holdings. [B]Didn't America trade with Britain prior to that, though? Quite extensively, I believed. It's possible that America feared Japan would continue expansion and attempt to occupy the British held regions.[/B] I seriously doubt you would want a foreign culture occupying your country and telling you how to run your shit. [B]I don't quite see where you're going with this particular point, sorry.[/B][/QUOTE] Bold.
[quote]Didn't America trade with Britain prior to that, though? Quite extensively, I believed. It's possible that America feared Japan would continue expansion and attempt to occupy the British held regions. [/quote] We had the lend lease act and stuff like that but that was more of a way of getting ourselves out of isolationism and make war a more easy thing for the American people to consider. We also had a lend lease act with Soviet Union who we were far from friends with. [quote]I don't quite see where you're going with this particular point, sorry.[/quote] I'm talking about Iraq and how we were wrong to end Saddam's regime because the people didn't want it. I'm using a Chinese Invasion as an example that people generally don't like a foreign culture taking down their government and telling them how to live, they want to do it themselves.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;19415181]We had the lend lease act and stuff like that but that was more of a way of getting ourselves out of isolationism and make war a more easy thing for the American people to consider. We also had a lend lease act with Soviet Union who we were far from friends with.[/quote] So America wanted to join the war on Great Britain's side, and the USA placing a trade embargo on Japan was wrong, despite Japan posing a threat to Britain's pacific assets? [QUOTE=yawmwen;19415181]I'm talking about Iraq and how we were wrong to end Saddam's regime because the people didn't want it. I'm using a Chinese Invasion as an example that people generally don't like a foreign culture taking down their government and telling them how to live, they want to do it themselves.[/QUOTE] Oh, I see. I don't know much about the whole Iraqi war, but I've never supported it, eitherway.
Americans.
[QUOTE=Glent;19415252]So America wanted to join the war on Great Britain's side, and the USA placing a trade embargo on Japan was wrong, despite Japan posing a threat to Britain's pacific assets? [/QUOTE] No, Japan only started posing a threat [i]after[/i] the embargo. They didn't have any use for a war against Britain or Holland back then because they didn't need the resources. After the embargo they were starved for resources and needed to take those territories to continue their campaign in China.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;19416795]No, Japan only started posing a threat [i]after[/i] the embargo. They didn't have any use for a war against Britain or Holland back then because they didn't need the resources. After the embargo they were starved for resources and needed to take those territories to continue their campaign in China.[/QUOTE] Perhaps the United States didn't want to contribute to the invasion of China, so they placed the embargo?
America, fuck yea.
[QUOTE=Glent;19416885]Perhaps the United States didn't want to contribute to the invasion of China, so they placed the embargo?[/QUOTE] Well that's their official reason for placing the embargo, but judging by the actions the US has taken prior to the embargo and shortly after I am assuming the USA just wanted an excuse to get in the middle of the conflict so they could gain power and influence in the world.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;19417076]Well that's their official reason for placing the embargo, but judging by the actions the US has taken prior to the embargo and shortly after I am assuming the USA just wanted an excuse to get in the middle of the conflict so they could gain power and influence in the world.[/QUOTE] I think it could just be as simple as the USA not wanting to be a catalyst for the Japanese expansion in East-Asia, so they placed an Embargo to not contribute to that expansion. The Japanese sinking the entire (or near so) American Pacific Fleet would hardly be beneficial for expansionism or power gaining, so it would be entirely unstrategic to intentionally place your fleet in harms way. [B]Edit here:[/B] I'd like to end this post saying I think this is a pointless arguement anyway. This is a funny video in my opinion (Though I'm not American.) and I don't think it was meant to spark a debate about the justification of American involvement in World War Two. You can respond to this arguement if you want, but I'd rather end this here.
[QUOTE=Glent;19417280]I think it could just be as simple as the USA not wanting to be a catalyst for the Japanese expansion in East-Asia, so they placed an Embargo to not contribute to that expansion. The Japanese sinking the entire (or near so) American Pacific Fleet would hardly be beneficial for expansionism or power gaining, so it would be entirely unstrategic to intentionally place your fleet in harms way.[/QUOTE] Well we weren't expecting an attack like Pearl Harbor. We were more expecting a traditional declaration of war or invasion of an island or something, not a surprise attack on our fleet.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;19417340]Well we weren't expecting an attack like Pearl Harbor. We were more expecting a traditional declaration of war or invasion of an island or something, not a surprise attack on our fleet.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, and I'd continue argueing this, but honestly even if I thought this debate should continue, I'm not really in a posistion to to argue about this. I live in a neutral country and don't know much about the Pacific theatre during World War two or anything. [QUOTE=Glent;19417280][B]Edit here:[/B] I'd like to end this post saying I think this is a pointless arguement anyway. This is a funny video in my opinion (Though I'm not American.) and I don't think it was meant to spark a debate about the justification of American involvement in World War Two. You can respond to this arguement if you want, but I'd rather end this here.[/QUOTE] Like I said, I think it's a funny video, as a non-American viewer.
[QUOTE=Glent;19417402]Fair enough, and I'd continue argueing this, but honestly even if I thought this debate should continue, I'm not really in a posistion to to argue about this. I live in a neutral country and don't know much about the Pacific theatre during World War two or anything. [/QUOTE] Well thanks for humoring my large interest in WW2 history. The Pacific isn't my area of expertise either, I am more into the Eastern Front myself. [editline]03:28AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Glent;19417402] Like I said, I think it's a funny video, as a non-American viewer.[/QUOTE] I think it's partially funny, but at the same time it enrages me because it gives my nationality a bad name. I hate to share heritage with such ignorant people.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;19417566]Well thanks for humoring my large interest in WW2 history. The Pacific isn't my area of expertise either, [b]I am more into the Eastern Front myself.[/b] [editline]03:28AM[/editline] I think it's partially funny, but at the same time it enrages me because it gives my nationality a bad name. I hate to share heritage with such ignorant people.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoTMKjMsbWk[/media]
They hate the Marines... Fucking idiot women, if they hate the cause and the war, just fucking blame the government, not the people who are risking their lives fighting in the name of freedom, no matter if it's justifiable or not. That's like being against overpopulation and beating up a guy who saved someone's life by CPR.
[QUOTE=Populus89;19417840]They hate the Marines... Fucking idiot women, if they hate the cause and the war, just fucking blame the government, not the people who are risking their lives fighting in the name of freedom, no matter if it's justifiable or not. That's like being against overpopulation and beating up a guy who saved someone's life by CPR.[/QUOTE] It's more like hating a building someone made so you beat the shit out of the hammer. The marines are just a tool, not the cause.
Apparently a lot of people agree with a couple of the early posters in this thread. [quote=www.codepink4peace.org]Fall 2007—CODEPINK ATTACKED BY THE FAR RIGHT: In response to CODEPINK’s vibrant and loud presence on Capitol Hill in recent months, we have become the target of far-right hatred that has filled staff emailboxes with profane and insulting messages suggesting that, among other things,[B] we should be run over by trucks, forced to wear burkas, or shipped to Iraq and Afghanistan where we would get what we deserved.[/B] In addition, we recently came across SadlyNo's post about the above photoshopped CODEPINK photo(see original below, which was first posted in our World Social Forum here) that had been doctored by someone who, when taken to task for the clearly false banner, speciously claimed that he had photoshopped the image with text he had found on our web site. [url=http://axisofright.com/2007/03/22/code-pinks-in-da-house/]Click here[/url] to read more. [/quote] [img]http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p310/axisof/code_pink_murder.jpg[/img] [img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/codepink4peace.org/img/original/WSF_Banner1.gif[/img] So apparently that last pic I posted was a shoop. I already removed it from my other post. My bad..
Isn't the term "War criminal" Just a massive Oxymoron?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;19447408]Isn't the term "War criminal" Just a massive Oxymoron?[/QUOTE] No. [quote]a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”[/quote] War and criminal are not contradictory, they go together quite well actually.
[QUOTE=TAU!;19386503]I wanted to punch the woman that said "Al Qaeda isn't a threat" But China did do well (After investing many things with the Western World), I can't really say the same for the Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] Soviet Russia was doing well also. However their economy was shit. China took the hint and has free market areas where they'll let you manage you're business as long it follows China's laws.
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