[QUOTE=Apache249;44246047]I highly doubt they used the minigun as a serious attempt to exterminate boars more efficiently. They probably just wanted to have a little extra fun and kill some pests in the process.[/QUOTE]
and to be honest that's the part that's concerning, it's condoning the act of killing as something that's "fun" not something that needs to be done to keep the environment safe
whether or not anyone acknowledges it connotation is extremely important, and things like this definitely set people up to be okay with violence, which is extremely dangerous
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;44245972]Imho;
[B]1st Video:[/B]
*400 rounds used, 6 boars dead
*1 gunner, 9 people looking on cheering
*Stationary weapon, once those 6 boars in range are dead or have fled, you're done for a few hours (ergo, not efficient)
*Animals wounded but not dead?
*Animal remains unusable / inedible
[B]2nd Video[/B]
*More dangerous to the hunters, although at no point in the video were the hunters not able to subdue the animals before real danger arose.
*Proof you need bigger calibers, preferably hog-hunting slugs.
*Hunters mobile, working together as a team.
*Per hog lets say 5 shots fired, all striking their intended targets.
*More hogs dead.
So yeah basically I prefer the method in the second video.
[editline]15th March 2014[/editline]
I agree, the boars are dead, and the goal is accomplished. Don't care about the boars dying.
I'm just saying, I think this particular way caused me offense, and I list the reasons why.
Noone has to agree with me. I'm just saying.[/QUOTE]
In the second video the guy filming came very close to getting fucked up a few times. I'm amazed he'd dare to get that close, it really is suicidal.
[editline]15th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44246099]and to be honest that's the part that's concerning, it's condoning the act of killing as something that's "fun" not something that needs to be done to keep the environment safe
whether or not anyone acknowledges it connotation is extremely important, and things like this definitely set people up to be okay with violence, which is extremely dangerous[/QUOTE]
Violence really is a necessary evil though, I think it's less about the pleasure of killing something and more about trying to find a way to make the necessity of getting rid of the pests feel a little less saddening.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44245943]this is intense
i've actually been chased by boars out in the wilderness, it's fucking terrifying. the idea that after hitting them 2-3 times they could still be going is terrifying. given my generally anti-gun stance (which obvi i'll leave out of this) it's a bizarre question as to which is more "ethical" of the minigun vs standard firearms. there definitely is a right way to kill and a wrong way to kill, and if you don't acknowledge that you're a complete sociopath - let's be real. there's a difference between blowing someone up and shooting them in the back of the head. but having seen that video of the up close hunt, it is clear that the boars that are shot once or twice are still alive - does the absolute brutality of being hit by a minigun get excused by the fact that it's (probably) a [I]much[/I] quicker death?
i don't know. i'm mildly disturbed by the fact that the boars being killed by the minigun (once again, probably) aren't being taken as meat afterwards, which is general practice when hunting / pest control in my area. granted, there is the idea that nothing is wasted (ie that meat [I]will[/I] get eaten by something) but it sort of is creepy and eerie because it clearly demonstrates a desire to hunt simply for the sake of killing something, which isn't something that I could condone.[/QUOTE]
Do you think that not harvesting the meat is even practical with boar, though? There are a hell of a lot of them, and we aren't talking about picking a few out of a herd.
And honestly, what's wrong with just killing in this case? They seriously do need to die. They're an invasive species and the longer they're there the greater the damage to the environment will be.
I don't know, I get the problems with hunting in general because there's this fuzzy moral line between maintaining a stable population and killing for fun, I get that. But in this case you're dealing with a pest that will destroy the environment, devour all of the available nutrition around it, and then starve itself to death or move on to do the same elsewhere. They really, really, really need to be exterminated, for the good of everyone and everything.
[QUOTE=Apache249;44246047]I highly doubt they used the minigun as a serious attempt to exterminate boars more efficiently. They probably just wanted to [B]have a little extra fun[/B] and kill some pests in the process.[/QUOTE]
I agree! That's what my personal objection to it is!
Some people here implied it was to highten efficiency, which I said was ridiculous.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44246099]and to be honest that's the part that's concerning, it's condoning the act of killing as something that's "fun" not something that needs to be done to keep the environment safe
whether or not anyone acknowledges it connotation is extremely important, and things like this definitely set people up to be okay with violence, which is extremely dangerous[/QUOTE]
If people weren't okay with violence, then no one would do the job. And if no one did the job, a great deal of damage would be done.
It's just something we have to deal with until we can create boar hunting robots or something.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44246101]
Violence really is a necessary evil though, I think it's less about the pleasure of killing something and more about trying to find a way to make the necessity of getting rid of the pests feel a little less saddening.[/QUOTE]
I think what my objection comes down to is, that they're achieving such great pleasure, from killing in such a ridiculous way.
Sure hunting is allowed to be fun, and ofcourse I don't care for a minute if pests have to be 'controlled', but the only reason they're using a minigun, is because it entertains them all greatly, so they can go "Wooo!".
It's a worse, more expensive, less effective way of killing the hogs, and it's all taken for granted because it's 'cool' to light up some hogs with a machinegun. That's what I take offense to I guess.
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;44246185]I think what my objection comes down to is, that they're achieving such great pleasure, from killing in such a ridiculous way.
I don't care for a minute if pests have to be 'controlled', but the only reason they're using a minigun, is because it entertains them all greatly, so they can go "Wooo!".
It's a worse, more expensive, less effective way of killing the hogs, and it's all taken for granted because it's 'cool' to light up some hogs with a machinegun. That's what I take offense to I guess.[/QUOTE]
Well, I mean presumably it's their money to spend. If they find it entertaining, that's their deal.
They like guns, they need to kill a shitton of boars, two birds with one stone I guess.
I still think your argument is dumb as hell Pr0fane, but you made me think, how much ammo did they really use? And how much did this video cost to make?
Well the general range of bullets a minute is 2000 - 6000, so i decided to go with both extremes.
2000/60 is 33.33r (for the sake of this ill just round up so we have 34 rounds a second). They SHOT for about 12 seconds, so that puts us at 408 rounds in 12 seconds.
6000/60 is obviously 100 so we times that by 12 and get 1200 bullets fired in the 12 seconds.
I couldn't find numbers on your average price for 7.62 NATO per bullet so I just took a box of it that was priced at 23.96 with 20 rounds in it (seemed like that was the general price range for 20 round boxes) and sliced that by 20, so each bullet was roughly $1.20.
multiplying each end of the range we got earlier, we end up getting an area of $489.60 - $1440.00 dollars for the video
fuck man i wish i had that kinda money to use for a 20~ second youtube video
[editline]15th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;44246185]I think what my objection comes down to is, that they're achieving such great pleasure, from killing in such a ridiculous way.
Sure hunting is allowed to be fun, and ofcourse I don't care for a minute if pests have to be 'controlled', but the only reason they're using a minigun, is because it entertains them all greatly, so they can go "Wooo!".
It's a worse, more expensive, less effective way of killing the hogs, and it's all taken for granted because it's 'cool' to light up some hogs with a machinegun. That's what I take offense to I guess.[/QUOTE]
Hate to break it to you, but it is 'cool' that they did this. It's like watching those people burn down wasps nests with sick flamethrowers and shit, its getting rid of a pest in a really kickass way
I don't think they need to worry about the cost of ammo if they had the resources to get their hands on a minigun anyways.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44246220]I still think your argument is dumb as hell Pr0fane, but you made me think, how much ammo did they really use? And how much did this video cost to make?
Well the general range of bullets a minute is 2000 - 6000, so i decided to go with both extremes.
2000/60 is 33.33r (for the sake of this ill just round up so we have 34 rounds a second). They SHOT for about 12 seconds, so that puts us at 408 rounds in 12 seconds.
6000/60 is obviously 100 so we times that by 12 and get 1200 bullets fired in the 12 seconds.
I couldn't find numbers on your average price for 7.62 NATO per bullet so I just took a box of it that was priced at 23.96 with 20 rounds in it (seemed like that was the general price range for 20 round boxes) and sliced that by 20, so each bullet was roughly $1.20.
multiplying each end of the range we got earlier, we end up getting an area of $489.60 - $1440.00 dollars for the video
fuck man i wish i had that kinda money to use for a 20~ second youtube video
[editline]15th March 2014[/editline]
Hate to break it to you, but it is 'cool' that they did this. It's like watching those people burn down wasps nests with sick flamethrowers and shit, its getting rid of a pest[B] in a really kickass way[/B][/QUOTE]
I don't agree with you, but I don't think you're dumb as hell.... I just disagree with you.
I am not at all argueing this is a purely financial / efficiency thing either.
And you just pretty much summed it all up. I take offense to the "Wow this is really kickass" part, and I don't think it's 'cool' to get rid of legitimate pests in an over-the-top, for-the-sake-of-being-spectacular way.
It feels dumb and unintelligent to me, and stereotypically American and that's why I do not approve. It's like American airshows where they blow up a lot of fuel so they can look at the pretty fireball.
Not much else. I'm just saying what I feel and think, as said a few times before, noone has to agree with me.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;44244540]No, fuck off, seriously.
Yes Human's are invasive but not one single animal on the face of the earth can match up to our intelligence, we build towers that scrape the sky and more importantly we have learned to conserve and protect the environment. If an animal that cares only about self-preservation, eating and fucking and allows it to continuously breed then it will overrun and inherently damage the environment.[/QUOTE]
What I said is just a straight up fact though, make of it what you will.
No need to get angry over it, and don't expect me to bother arguing such an opinionated thing as morals :v:
[QUOTE=Nitro836;44242859]Overpopulation of species dangerous to humans has to be controlled, that's just how it is. It's either them or us.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, we know how it's been going when people are doing things according to this logic. The environmental balance is already pretty much a mess, where do you think the deserts came from? Doing acts like these never end well.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;44245748]
They're incapable of feeling empathy for all of the shit they do[/QUOTE]
That's called being an animal???
They all have to pay the price for our incompetence for introducing them. You can't deal with this mess without causing a great deal of pain, trauma and terror. I suppose you've got to be a little sick to enjoy the hardship sentient things are caught up in. It sort of punches you in the face in relation to our own circumstance and i don't understand how people can walk through that.
[QUOTE=scorpinat;44242590]holy fuck, all these people saying they are invasive and an destructive species.
Take a look in the mirror to see who is the real invasive and destructive species[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure humans are killing humans with miniguns too.
[QUOTE=scorpinat;44242590]holy fuck, all these people saying they are invasive and an destructive species.
Take a look in the mirror to see who is the real invasive and destructive species[/QUOTE]
Let's generalize and forget about the human beings doing their best to help the environment and others out.
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;44245495] done purely for the sake of being spectacular and/or entertaining.[/QUOTE]
Did you guys know sometimes people do stuff for fun? how barbaric
[QUOTE=Satane;44247056]Is everyone gonna ignore the fact that this guy put like 5 kilos of lead into farmland?[/QUOTE]
Boars will ruin that shit far more than some minigun rounds.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44242154]because they're an extremely invasive and destructive species[/QUOTE]
we humans outclass any animal on that
[QUOTE=Satane;44247056]Is everyone gonna ignore the fact that this guy put like 5 kilos of lead into farmland?[/QUOTE]
Not all bullets are lead. But I'm not quite sure what kind of ammo they were using.
[QUOTE=obdob;44247368]we humans outclass any animal on that[/QUOTE]
Except we make an effort to fix it.
The boar problem is moving north. You can hunt them year round without any permits here in Michgan I'm pretty sure. Couple that with the mountain lion sightings and we've got one hell of a deadly invasive species problem in our parts.
[QUOTE=obdob;44247368]we humans outclass any animal on that[/QUOTE]
Wait so why do we have firefighters, police officers, paramedics, doctors, animal veterinarians, EPA, etc.
Are they there to create destruction?
I'm really fearful about all these animal outbreaks. Recently one of the most calm species on Earth has displayed unusual and very aggressive behavior because of how their habitats have been destroyed and how they're fearful for their existence. This makes me really sad.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;44245113]The fuck is that. I've never went on a hunt in my life but seriously this is just sick how fast he's killing those boars.[/QUOTE]
Then why don't you go back to the rainforest and hug a tree you hippie.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44246099]and to be honest that's the part that's concerning, it's condoning the act of killing as something that's "fun" not something that needs to be done to keep the environment safe
whether or not anyone acknowledges it connotation is extremely important, and things like this definitely set people up to be okay with violence, which is extremely dangerous[/QUOTE]
Some people are naturally aggressive and have a need to kill. Ever seen "the dog hunter" on vice?
Most people don't admit it but everyone got some evil inside, and killing pests that serve no purpose to humanity is one way of dealing with it. It's not pretty, but it's socially acceptable then killing someones pet, or a fellow human.
[QUOTE=counterpo0;44247786]Some people are naturally aggressive and have a need to kill. Ever seen "the dog hunter" on vice?
Most people don't admit it but everyone got some evil inside, and killing pests that serve no purpose to humanity is one way of dealing with it. It's not pretty, but it's socially acceptable then killing someones pet, or a fellow human.[/QUOTE]
to be human is to conquer our own nature and rise above
might sound totally fluffy but i think it's time we moved past "ITS IN OUR NATURE TO DO THIS"
we're better than animals
[editline]15th March 2014[/editline]
but i'll def check out the dog hunter i love vice
[QUOTE=counterpo0;44247786]Some people are naturally aggressive and have a need to kill. Ever seen "the dog hunter" on vice?
Most people don't admit it but everyone got some evil inside, and killing pests that serve no purpose to humanity is one way of dealing with it. It's not pretty, but it's socially acceptable then killing someones pet, or a fellow human.[/QUOTE]
Opinions, some might strongly disagree with you here, but this is a very debatable topic I'll say.
[QUOTE=ThreePennyJim;44242379]I find the video distasteful, but then I find hunting generally distasteful.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're a complete vegetarian, you're a hypocrite. Lots of people think buying meat from the store is a-ok but hunting = amoral. I don't know how somebody can look at the conditions on mass animal farms and thinking that hunting is "distasteful" by relative comparison.
With that said, the OP video isn't hunting.. it's just releasing a trapped animal onto a target field. At least they died really fast, I guess
[QUOTE=counterpo0;44247786]Some people are naturally aggressive and have a need to kill. Ever seen "the dog hunter" on vice?
Most people don't admit it but everyone got some evil inside, and killing pests that serve no purpose to humanity is one way of dealing with it. It's not pretty, but it's socially acceptable then killing someones pet, or a fellow human.[/QUOTE]
You realize that humans have been hunting for tens of thousands of years right?
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