Are people in Mensa, IQ organization, and colleges and universities.. Just idiots?
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just a bunch of tards who think they're smarter than the rest of us, I knew people in it, they were fucked up
IQ only helps in problem solving. Pragmatism and real world knowledge is really all thats important, I beat a guy in mense on history essays...
why would i join disneyland for lawyers, doctors and other would be anchient romans?
MENSA is where people Circle-Jerk about their IQ, focusing on the mundane and useless when their collective intelligence can be better used to better Mankind.
Instead of arguing retarded trivia, puzzles, and riddles they should be talking about how to solve, say, Overpopulation and the problems with Fusion Reactors.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17713380]MENSA is where people Circle-Jerk about their IQ, focusing on the mundane and useless when their collective intelligence can be better used to better Mankind.
Instead of arguing retarded trivia, puzzles, and riddles they should be talking about how to solve, say, Overpopulation and the problems with Fusion Reactors.[/QUOTE]
You can't force intelligent people to solve the world's problems just because they are intelligent. Well, you can, but it's a dick move.
I chuckled quietly to myself at the joke.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17713591]You can't force intelligent people to solve the world's problems just because they are intelligent. Well, you can, but it's a dick move.[/QUOTE]
I know, but the general consensus on non-dickish intelligent people who were in Mensa (read: Isaac Asimov, who was even the president for Mensa) is that they do too much useless stuff, and not enough problem solving.
Also, what about Intelligence Camps (or whatever they were called) in the Soviet Union?
I thought you have to pay a monthly fee to be in Mensa..?
Our society is overly obsessed with education, standardized tests, and grades; it's the sad truth.
Most people have the notion that the individual is powerless, that unless you get this little slip of paper that says your smart, you'll inevitably end up working at mcdonalds for the rest of your life.
Ahahhah my newt oh god.
IQ tests are useful if you want to determine if students can skip a year or not. I've worked in a centre that does these tests, as well as provide advice for possible educational acceleration, and in 90% of the cases, kids who have learnt to read all by themselves, who draw things a lot more detailed than their peers, who are bored in class because they already know everything (smart kids!) DO have a high IQ. What does this prove?
That they indeed have a raised intelligence, at least academically. They learn things faster, they are more curious and have higher standards for whatever task they impose on themselves.
In academical environments, IQ tests DO have a relevance. It doesn't matter if you can eat a banana with your toes, sure that might mean you are smarter than average, but where is that going to help you when you have to process huge amounts of information on a subject that requires lots of knowledge?
Please also keep in mind that IQ tests are nowhere near accurate though: tons of factors can influence it (possible important changes in the kid's life, family situation, friends etc.). That's also why there's a standard deviation of 10 points: if your IQ is 13O, you have a big chance of being gifted, but it's not 100%.
If you score 95, it's very well possible you're not a retard. If, though, you score 70 or 150, that surely indicates you are not the average kid.
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[QUOTE=Hammertime;17714110]IQ tests are useful if you want to determine if students can skip a year or not. I've worked in a centre that does these tests, as well as provide advice for possible educational acceleration, and in 90% of the cases, kids who have learnt to read all by themselves, who draw things a lot more detailed than their peers, who are bored in class because they already know everything (smart kids!) DO have a high IQ. What does this prove?...[/QUOTE]
I actually did skip a year because of this and to this day don't think it was the best option for me. I can do puzzles. Great. But turns out I wasn't particularly hardworking- I needed time to learn to develop that.
That's one of the common problems of these kids though: they're gifted everything is easy, and when we put them in the "correct" year all of the sudden they have to start working, some can cope with that, some don't...
[QUOTE=Hammertime;17722341]That's one of the common problems of these kids though: they're gifted everything is easy, and when we put them in the "correct" year all of the sudden they have to start working, some can cope with that, some don't...[/QUOTE]
True- i also find that it gives people the idea that either they're somehow 'destined' to do well (and so work less and underachieve) or that they're too stupid and doomed to failiure (and so just don't even try). I know plenty of people who have suffered from both things.
I also fail to see much benefit, apart from perhaps tuition fees, of skipping a year. Sureley better to get qualifications slower, but get a better mark? I found the outcome was usually that the 'smarter' kids ended up with lots of low-grade results, whilst the 'average' ones got a new good qualifications- something more useful for entrance into a decent university. (In my case a year was not 'skipped' as such, but studies were moved forwards so that twice as many subjects could be taken)
Whilst simmilar plan do work for a select few, an IQ test is a poor measure of whether or not such a scheme is appropriate for each individual.
my reaction upon reading that my newt joke was HURRDURR
That joke is stupid, not just in that it's not funny but the fact that it has nothing to do with MENSA, IQ has nothing to do with knowledge of the world, knowing what "minute" means, and what a newt actually is.
Also, MENSA member here :banjo:
Totally agreed. Even though I'm genreally a great test taker, I agree that tests of the SAT style are mostly pointless in the way they are done. Testing's point is to make sure you know your material that the subject is about, but the big issue is that throughout all of school you prepare yourself to do good on "tests" and as a matter of fact your entire time in high school is designed just to get you to pass the SAT with reduntant memorized information... instead of actually learning useful information.
I think Ken Robinson's speech on Creativity needing to be taught in school with as much importance as math really hit the nail on the head for this issue. It's a speech he gave on TED:
[url]http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html[/url]
He makes excellent points, especailly about how creativity is the driving force behind the world of the future, how the world is going through academic inflation and how no one really understands what the idea of intelligence really is.
They look like complete douchebags.
What are you if you read the "he's my newt" bit first and guess the joke before you've started reading it?
Elitist morons.
"HURR WE'RE SMART"
Not experienced, observant, street-smart or emotionally receptive though, obviously.
[QUOTE=TehDoomCat;17727736]What are you if you read the "he's my newt" bit first and guess the joke before you've started reading it?
Elitist morons.
"HURR WE'RE SMART"
Not experienced, observant, street-smart or emotionally receptive though, obviously.[/QUOTE]
this is pretty much my opinion of mensa members, the smart people on that show eggheads and all those stuck up oxbridge students. Yeah have fun knowing all about marine biology but if you don't become a marine biologist you're most likely fucked for street smarts or life skills because you've pretty much been a glorified schoolboy/girl for all of your teenage and some of your young adult life with no real world skills. I'd like to think I'm smart, but I have also taken a lot of time to learn life skills such as changing tyres, fixing plugs and cooking beans in the woods over a fire. it's those sort of things that define a man in my opinion, not what you know
I find it kind of odd that IQ us supposedly a measurement of learning capacity, but the tests are logic and pattern recognition.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;17728354]this is pretty much my opinion of mensa members, the smart people on that show eggheads and all those stuck up oxbridge students. Yeah have fun knowing all about marine biology but if you don't become a marine biologist you're most likely fucked for street smarts or life skills because you've pretty much been a glorified schoolboy/girl for all of your teenage and some of your young adult life with no real world skills. I'd like to think I'm smart, but I have also taken a lot of time to learn life skills such as changing tyres, fixing plugs and cooking beans in the woods over a fire. it's those sort of things that define a man in my opinion, not what you know[/QUOTE]
And this, folks, is the other extreme.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;17728354]this is pretty much my opinion of mensa members, the smart people on that show eggheads and all those stuck up oxbridge students. Yeah have fun knowing all about marine biology but if you don't become a marine biologist you're most likely fucked for street smarts or life skills because you've pretty much been a glorified schoolboy/girl for all of your teenage and some of your young adult life with no real world skills. I'd like to think I'm smart, but I have also taken a lot of time to learn life skills such as changing tyres, fixing plugs and cooking beans in the woods over a fire. it's those sort of things that define a man in my opinion, not what you know[/QUOTE]
I can cook beans on a fire...:cawg:
[QUOTE=Athelus;17722768]True- i also find that it gives people the idea that either they're somehow 'destined' to do well (and so work less and underachieve) or that they're too stupid and doomed to failiure (and so just don't even try). I know plenty of people who have suffered from both things.
I also fail to see much benefit, apart from perhaps tuition fees, of skipping a year. Sureley better to get qualifications slower, but get a better mark? I found the outcome was usually that the 'smarter' kids ended up with lots of low-grade results, whilst the 'average' ones got a new good qualifications- something more useful for entrance into a decent university. (In my case a year was not 'skipped' as such, but studies were moved forwards so that twice as many subjects could be taken)
Whilst simmilar plan do work for a select few, an IQ test is a poor measure of whether or not such a scheme is appropriate for each individual.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, IQ tests alone are not enough. And it's also important to keep these kids motivated and to monitor 'em, because tons of things can go wrong... The other kids might reject it because it's a year younger, different, or other reasons.
[QUOTE=Latias;17697442]I don't get the first joke
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I knew that a newt's not a lizard, but what does that have to do with the joke?
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I must be dumb or something or these people are incredibly nerdy[/QUOTE]
My newt = minute.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;17698542]What? Average is about 110.
Not that it matters, given how much it can vary.[/QUOTE]
Average is vertically 100. IQ = Intelligence Age/Chronological age times 100, so if you are the same age as your intelligence age (normal), it would be 1/1X100.
Average in US is 98 I think.
Mensa is a joke in terms of its members, and should only encompasses 2% of the world. The grail society is where it's at:
[url]http://www.paulcooijmans.com/iqsocieties/grail.html[/url]
200 IQ lol.
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[QUOTE=lmaoboat;17701673]Well I guess I hang out with a lot of smart people, or the curve needs adjusting, since I've never met anyone with an IQ less than 110.[/QUOTE]
Your friends are taking flawed IQ tests most likely.
[QUOTE=Black-Bird;17697363]The [B]Only[/B] things that the SAT measure are 1: Test taking skills and 2: Study skills. These two are only good in one place: School.
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Yes and you take it to apply for a school
Your arguments basically come down to "I suck at tests and school, why do these things matter when applying to schools" and "I don't need to good at school and tests because lots of rich people aren't"
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;17698578]No. Off the bat you are wrong. Mensa membership is on the basis of IQ and IQ tests are not knowledge tests. They are pattern recognition.[/QUOTE]
Pattern recognition requiring knowledge. Also, we need to consider that not everyone uses their brain identical to others, and are therefore greater in one area whilst less potent in another, and how fast a trail and error period occurs [i](we don't always get something right the first time independently, and may require several tries before accomplishing our goal; completing a similar goal would thus depend on how that memory is retrieved (we don't all attain the same techniques for memory use and consolidation))[/i]. We can also consider stochastic processes occurring throughout the brain, creating a more ambiguous response; therefore, everyone with sustainable memory and knowledge for a test would have random outcomes, can all potentially solve the problem and ultimately, equal in problem solving [i](with the exception of prior experience; again, we don't experience life the same as everyone else)[/i]. In addition, we can consider how our mind synchronizes externally, and the time it takes to proportionally activate the relative part of the brain (mind) with the relative memory. To clarify, apply the kinaesthetic and cognitive requirements for using a rubix cube whilst removing technique, and have someone solve it.
So ultimately, the more independent people you get whilst occluding social synchronicity [i](i.e. to stop them from thinking alike whilst retaining a relative thought process towards the subject)[/i], the greater the probability you acquire for calculating a solution.
So... if you understand basic plays on words, you belong in MENSA?
When mesa asked me to join i was like :D
when i saw the fee i was like D:
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