GradeAUnderA vs Joseph Costello LIVE DEBATE #DramaAlert - General

[QUOTE=Radio Yes;49797930]im legit curious if anyone can seriously debate grade on his claims so far like they all seem pretty solid. he's just handing out assblastings. miss his older style of vids tho like why i hate tinder[/QUOTE] I hope after all this YouTube shit is over he'll go back to his older self.

[QUOTE=Radio Yes;49797930]im legit curious if anyone can seriously debate grade on his claims so far like they all seem pretty solid. he's just handing out assblastings. miss his older style of vids tho like why i hate tinder[/QUOTE] I prefer his old videos as well, but most people prefer drama, which is why his channel exploded after he started making drama videos. He's probably not going to make his old style of video any time soon.

I love the drama and his new videos.

Grade's said a good portion of his content is still going to be stuff like tinder still, it's just he has to jump on the drama while it's warm. Also this guy got obliterated. Even Keemstar looks good compared, that's pretty damn embarrassing.

[QUOTE=Xyrec;49798389]I prefer his old videos as well, but most people prefer drama, which is why his channel exploded after he started making drama videos. He's probably not going to make his old style of video any time soon.[/QUOTE] I think it's not that "most" [b]prefer[/b] drama, rather they like drama and have been exposed to Grade A more since he started making these videos. Since we're all stating our opinions: I like the drama videos. Not more than his other videos, but about as much. I enjoy the guy's personality and the way he goes about things. He calls shit a shit and is humorous about it too, I enjoy that very much.

Im in the same boat as gudman, Grade's got some excellent points and is doing a great job of showing how fuckin' garbage youtube is. while of course i loved girly drinks/many drinks and the likes, im plenty fine with the drama videos just because it's still Grade A (pardon the pun huehuehue) content

Man that guy is like bottom of barrel scum. Like how does someone like that sleep at night and think I'm a good person.

While Keemstar isn't the best person for a middle-man in a debate, I feel GradeA is the right person to lead on these issues since he doesn't take any of this bullshit and gets right to the point, granted humorous, but entertaining his audience is apart of his job. Either way I'm glad some form of consequence is going to towards these type of channels that break YouTubes rules.

Now this is some funny shit that it almost feels like scripted.

keemstar is a bottom feeder

joe made a point about fucking surveillance camera man and that what he did was for a purpose...could someone explain what that was? All I saw was a guy being an annoying cunt to people

surveillance camera man wasn't that bad, he was a nuisance but he was peaceful

[QUOTE=redBadger;49801857]joe made a point about fucking surveillance camera man and that what he did was for a purpose...could someone explain what that was? All I saw was a guy being an annoying cunt to people[/QUOTE] If I recall correctly, he started doing it in order to protest government surveilance and raise awareness. The point being that people aren't alright with it when they know about it, but so long as it is hidden they don't care.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49801987]If I recall correctly, he started doing it in order to protest government surveilance and raise awareness. The point being that people aren't alright with it when they know about it, but so long as it is hidden they don't care.[/QUOTE] which is fucking silly. because public security cameras and walking up to a single person is largely different.

"lemme speak asshole"

[QUOTE=Mr Flexi;49796633]Agreed. It's good to have someone who sets these things up and mediates it (kind of).[/QUOTE] he fans the flames, the questions he asked seem like they're rephrasing the debaters, trying to rile them up and make the arguement more interesting. the more interesting it is, the better things turn out for keemstar in terms of views and $$$, he isn't some good spirit, he's making it worse

[QUOTE=geogzm;49805680]he fans the flames, the questions he asked seem like they're rephrasing the debaters, trying to rile them up and make the arguement more interesting. the more interesting it is, the better things turn out for keemstar in terms of views and $$$, he isn't some good spirit, he's making it worse[/QUOTE] Thinking about it, it could be some master scheme where he brings in all the fans of the clearly winning side to watch his video. If they had no idea who he is, their first experience with him is "oh he's that guy that was helping GradeA destroy Joseph that one time!"

[QUOTE=Darth_Toast;49805741]Thinking about it, it could be some master scheme where he brings in all the fans of the clearly winning side to watch his video. If they had no idea who he is, their first experience with him is "oh he's that guy that was helping GradeA destroy Joseph that one time!"[/QUOTE] keemstar is very careful with what parts of his image he presents. he knows that he's already got a pretty popular image to his existing audience and whenever he pisses someone off, he just floats away until whomever he pissed off is no longer pissed off. if people start cottoning on and whatever he did gets big, he'll make a big public apology - e.g. that old dude he called a pedophile. he's forged evidence of raiding a rust clan i was in before and attacked my videos because somebody in my clan raided him while I myself was asleep (i think they were stream sniping or something like that to be fair - but still, why send people after MY channel? i was 16 at the time and explained this to keemstar, who didn't care the slightest. i could go on, but i don't want to sound all woe-is-me on this one) and the guy acts all empathetic, like he has a good set of morals - in that video he acts like he's putting himself in the store manager's shoes, but he didn't think "oh hey, I'm encouraging mass-hate towards a young kid online", he didn't think "maybe I should get my facts straight before announcing that some old dude's a pedophile to my sizeable audience", he's a thoughtless coward and doesn't face up to his own assholery. to top it off, he criticises this joe bloke for profiting from people's reactions - which on its own is a fair criticism, but keemstar himself says this while he's munching on popcorn, sporting some kind of energy drink branding and while the very video in which two people argue rakes in cash for him. if you listen to his input on the debate, you'll see how he targets what's going to tilt the arguement one way or another and continue to keep poking the metaphorical beehive until he's gotten an 'exciting' result, at the expense of two people who could easily have this debate without a middleman. it's all very hypocritical [editline]24th February 2016[/editline] i'm surprised grade hasn't done a video on keemstar, let's put it that way :v:

Keemstar and Grade are on great terms, Grade won't do a vid on him since he considers him legit good.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49805790]Keemstar and Grade are on great terms, Grade won't do a vid on him since he considers him legit good.[/QUOTE] he needs his eyes opened [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1298655]i leave y'all with this for now, a thread from the stuff that happened when I was 16 ending in keemstar's romp on our very own facepunch[/url]

I lost it at "I put a condom in a burger, he threw the burger at me, so I was in the right to throw a cup of water on him", like what kind of piece of shit logic puts you in the right there? Getting pissed off over a shitty thing like that, it's flat out in-person shock content because the dude doesn't know where its been but knows it's only there because of the ridiculous nature. I'd totally place money on the fact that he's likely got history with the manager on top of it, either from prior failed video attempts or personal junk and as for the surveillance video argument here, the surveillance dude is entirely in the wrong. The reason surveillance CCTV nonsense is great and OK is because you're not tracking an individual, you're observing your own property and the people upon it/around it, often passively so the video gets archived and never even watched unless (for instance) somebody catches you stealing, brings it to court, and they need the video evidence to show you being a shady fuck in their store. Now let's this to the photographer's right: Something you should damn well know about before you go around photographing/recording other people in public. These are the principals he's probably familiar with- 1: You can take photos/videos in public 2: People, going into public, passively accept that they may end up in surveillance footage or passively in other people's photographs but then there's this little caveat that's pretty quickly overlooked by individuals like this- 3: [B]You cannot take a photo of a person, if they are clearly the main focus of the photo[/B], without the individual's consent, even verbal. 4: As another little side-note, if somebody believes they're in one of your photos, even if they're just a tiny speck in a corner, they can verbally request you either delete the photo or ensure they are removed/cropped/etc. They DO NOT HOLD THE RIGHT to the photo nor can they force you to actually do it, but again it's one of those courtesies that's implied you be good about. Now the way that is handled by legitimate prank stuff, IE the stuff you see on TV, is that after the thing has happened, the situation is explained to the person and they can agree to sign a waiver to say "yeah you can show what happened and have my face in the video. IF YOU DO NOT GET PERMISSION, you can still blur faces and show the happenings, but it's often a courtesy that you don't use them at all. Obviously this is broken all the time by one-off videos of just normal people recording shit that happens, but hey that's just what happens. If you're running a youtube channel where you intentionally go out and do this as your entire schtick, you're entirely in the wrong and can be in for some real lawsuits not only of harassment but misuse of intellectual property, even privacy invasion (especially in cases like the video of a guy immediately explaining he was a victim of identity theft and the guy following him with a camera was freaking him the fuck out

"Only if GradeA does it with me in London." His instant "No, never." just got me.

I almost forgot, I loved the introduction from each side, JC fucking opened up with the most blatant manipulative buttering up, bottom of the barrel attempt at forcing grade to lower his defences a bit and be nicer during the debate, and damn that "I wish I could reciprocate the sentiment but [i]fuck you[/i]" was absolute murder but seriously "oh I love what you're doing and man you guys are creating a ~new genre~ and I can respect that and" I've heard people approach confrontation like that so much, like how do you not realize people can see through cheap smooth talk also grade's voice was surprisingly smooth over the phone, I'm so used to him being a bit more grating because he's directly in my ear with a good mic

Joseph seems like really annoying person to hang with.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49801987]If I recall correctly, he started doing it in order to protest government surveilance and raise awareness. The point being that people aren't alright with it when they know about it, but so long as it is hidden they don't care.[/QUOTE] SCM is MDE/Thanks Computer! affiliated, it's pure trolling. It's very interesting to see how people react, but the guy is definitely being an ass to the subjects, and the social commentary on surveillance cameras is just a shallow justification for trolling strangers.

'You're getting aggitated i need you to calm down' "Thanks mum"

About 3/4 of the way through joe just kinda half gives up and goes back and forth between saying troll-y shit and getting defensive wtf

God damn, I didn't expect GradeA to smash through the gate immediately with the heavy offensive. Absolutely destroyed.

I have no idea how Joseph kept talking with such a severe case of chronic foot in mouth disorder

[QUOTE=KingKombat;49808334]About 3/4 of the way through joe just kinda half gives up and goes back and forth between saying troll-y shit and getting defensive wtf[/QUOTE] I think grade realized it and was spot on when he mentioned that joe accepted to argue against Grade just to attract more attention to himself whether it be negative or positive. I honestly don't think that quip about the dildo and mom on a pornsite was real at all and that he was lying just to have stronger impact so people remember his name.