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[QUOTE=alucard_extreme;29551338][img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/1247b7b64fed0e0322b7e28de37a242d.png[/img_thumb] think for a second[/QUOTE] My opinion is controversial on this forum. :saddowns:

[QUOTE=cccritical;29550073] and first you call the cops, if the drunk driver flees you should either pursue or try to render the vehicle immobile, same procedure you'd use if you're dealing with a robber/rapist/etc[/QUOTE] No, you should never try to "render the vehicle immobile" by yourself you idiot You'll commit several moving violations and probably a reckless endangerment charge on top of that You WILL lose your license, you WILL get a gigantic fine, and you MAY go to jail.

I think RPG-7's should be sold for people at the age of 15

[QUOTE=Lethaxx;29551372]law enforcement should have access to fire arms and no one else should[/QUOTE] Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no requirement to protect people from other people. Their only expectation is to investigate the crimes and arrest the criminals.

[QUOTE=alucard_extreme;29551338][img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/1247b7b64fed0e0322b7e28de37a242d.png[/img_thumb] think for a second[/QUOTE] Droppin' by just to say that's awesome.

[B]Have you ever been convicted of a crime?[/B] No [B]Are you above the age of 17?[/B] Yes [B]Have you taken a Certifications for Firearms Course?[/B] Yes Alrighty then! Here's your Mossberg, ammunition is at the front desk. Have a nice day

You should turn your avatar upside down or somethin

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Alright ! Bean-O is here.

Why should I, having never had any sort of criminal record and having passed an extensive firearm safety course that is regulated by the BATF, not be allowed to own a firearm that I have legally purchased? Because I don't need it? Shit, I don't fucking need HD cable, or cable for that matter, but I still like it, and want it. Why? Because it's fucking cool. Just because you don't like guns, and maybe even deep down they scare you a little, doesn't mean that I shouldn't be allowed to own one. I know what I'm doing, I know firearm safety. I've known firearm safety since I was 14. I own 6 firearms; I: 1. Do not store them loaded. 2. Keep them locked away at all times unless I am personally (Or someone I trust) handling them. 3. Keep ammunition stored in a separate, locked container. 4. Know how to maintain and disassemble them properly and safely 5. Follow the basic tenets of firearm safety (Always assume a firearm is loaded, keep the safety on until you are ready to fire, keep your finger off the trigger again until you are ready to fire and last but not least never point the muzzle of the firearm at something you do not intend to shoot.) 6. Make sure to be informed and obey the laws which apply to where I live. So, beyond the fact that you think I don't have a legitimate reason to own a firearm, can you tell me why I shouldn't be allowed to own one? Because I don't see a legitimate reason for someone to have internet access, therefor I believe we should ban everyone from having internet access.

I'm not against sport shooting on any level. Just against giving guns to crazy hillbillies. Edit: Well yeah, why argue, I'm off to buy some guns for myself too.

[QUOTE=Falchion;29574064]I'm not against sport shooting on any level. Just against giving guns to crazy hillbillies. Edit: Well yeah, why argue, I'm off to buy some guns for myself too.[/QUOTE] Why not? It doesn't hurt anyone if you use them in a safe and reasonable manner. And if you never find any use for them then sell them. You owning guns does not mean you have some sort of obligation to use them in an aggressive, violent manner. I've never once had, nor felt the need, to use my weapons in a defensive or aggressive manner. I just like guns. It's literally as simple as that, they give me a pleasure that while hard to explain is not negative in any way aside from the expenses they incur; be they purchasing the gun itself or ammunition.

[QUOTE=Falchion;29574064]I'm not against sport shooting on any level. Just against giving guns to crazy hillbillies. Edit: Well yeah, why argue, I'm off to buy some guns for myself too.[/QUOTE] Pray tell, how exactly would one determine who is a "crazy hillbillie" and who is an upstanding citizen of rural America?

This Conservative majority in Canada marks the end of the long gun registry in Canada, and an era of looser gun control for Canadians.

I'm against the banning of guns.

Its still going to be at least 8months-1 year until the registry is abolished and if the conservatives go through with it or some kind of addon to appease the anti-gun voters. But yeah I want all guns without automatic fire legalized but only purchasable through a background check and the gun sellers reserve the right to refuse a sale. Most gun related deaths are suicides and if people are going to kill themselves.. well they're going to find a way.

Basically I think most everyone in america is a crazy hillbilly on some level.

Licenses just like cars to use and operate them, but not to purchase them. Additional training for Class 3 items required, but no banned guns whatsoever. Basically, we should regulate guns as we do cars - accessories on cars aren't regulated; why shouldn't suppressors or RDSs and the like?

Just be glad you don't suffer from seriously nonsensical and paranoid gun-laws, over here anything that even remotely looks like an assault rifle or assault shotgun is a "restricted firearm" meaning you "can" get a license for it, and by "can" I mean when pigs fly. The fact that the aesthetics of the gun alone classify it as a restricted firearm is just utter nonsense, it could fire .22's and still be seen as a weapon of mass destruction by a hollow brained guard. Oh and did I mention you have to get a license for every firearm you buy? and renew it at 80 Euro every four years. the only way I got some of my guns is because I serve in the defense forces and that gave me some leverage when licensing but I still feel sorry for the guy who just wants to be a part of a target shooting club and has to jump through so many hoops to get a tiny calibre rifle or shotgun, pistols licenses (.22 only) are like the holy grail here, everybody wants one, nobody can get one.

One problem with making guns illegal is that criminals don't obey the law. It's kind of part of the job description. Here in the UK it's near-enough impossible to own a gun legally. I have a friend who's a poultry farmer and he can't own a gun to protect his livestock from foxes. He used to have one, but some asshole made up a story that he'd been shot at. My friend was able to prove that the incident was completely made up, but it's still on his record and it disqualifies him. You have to be squeaky clean to get a license these days.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29589947] Here in the UK it's near-enough impossible to own a gun legally. I have a friend who's a poultry farmer and he can't own a gun to protect his livestock from foxes. He used to have one, but some asshole made up a story that he'd been shot at. My friend was able to prove that the incident [b]was completely made up[/b], but it's still on his record and it disqualifies him.[/QUOTE] Not only is that bizarre and stupid but did the guy who made it up get arrested? It's a decently serious offense to file a false police report, especially when it's about something that serious (in the US)

A lot of people seem to forget the second amendment is not about self-defense, it's about overthrowing the government should they ever get to powerful and start trying to take our rights away, so technically, firearms are a part of checks and balances and therefore should not be restricted. The ATF does not seem to realize this and will ban a firearm that they deem does not serve any sporting purpose from importation and sale.

I live in Brazil and it's almost impossible to get a gun permit, so most people here have illegal guns.

[QUOTE=s0beit;29590845]Not only is that bizarre and stupid but did the guy who made it up get arrested? It's a decently serious offense to file a false police report, especially when it's about something that serious (in the US)[/QUOTE] I can't remember all the details, but I'm pretty sure he must have been arrested. Basically an argument escalated to extreme stupidity, now there is an incident logged that armed police were called to his residence. Basically (in the UK) if you have insane neighbours, you will probably shouldn't even bother trying to get a firearms license.

OK, so let's pretend that lack of gun control automatically means there will be more crime (false). Is it still OK for the government to tell us what we can and can't buy?

[QUOTE=Explosions;29593231]Is it still OK for the government to tell us what we can and can't buy?[/QUOTE] Believe me, there are are some things we shouldn't have, I don't want to make a list, as its common sense.

[QUOTE=Ridge;29556863]Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no requirement to protect people from other people. Their only expectation is to investigate the crimes and arrest the criminals.[/QUOTE] It's a crime to assault other people, therefore people who assault etc. other people are criminals and the police have to arrest them. [editline]3rd May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;29593231]OK, so let's pretend that lack of gun control automatically means there will be more crime (false). Is it still OK for the government to tell us what we can and can't buy?[/QUOTE] Not at all. If I want weapons of mass destruction (chemical weapons, nuclear weapons etc.) it's my God given right to own them. If I want a slave, and the free market wants to sell it to me, I can see no problems with buying one.

I own guns for personal protection. U.S courts even state that police are not there to protect people, So if they police won't protect me I'll do it myself. I feel sorry for any poor soul who ever tries to break into my house.

I haven't read all of the thread but I can already tell what kind of responses are in here. Let me explain something. 1. Guns have already been introduced, and anyone who is not a fucking retard understands that, like other illegal items, telling criminals "these are banned now, hand them in" will simply result in them hiding their guns. At this point, criminals now have guns to use, and law abiding citizens have turned them in because there would be no way to use guns for self defense without receiving the death penalty since they would be illegal. Brilliant. And what happens if a less capable person is cornered in their home by a mentally ill person charging at them with a knife? Exactly. 2. Back in the 1930's-1950's, everyone and their mother had a .22 at least. Walk onto any farm, you would see 7 year olds walking around with rifles. Crazy? Nope. Before America started deciding to become a "this law is for your well being" and "this is what is best for you" country, parents somehow were able to "man their children up" and teach them to be responsible with things. [B]Why make children scared of something, something that one day they may be be put into a situation where they directly encounter said things, and not have them know how to safely use said item?[/B] In reality, it is actually extremely dangerous to be scared and uneducated about firearms. 3. Who the fuck are you to tell me I can't protect myself? 4. [B]If you read heavily into all the laws regarding firearms in your area and federal laws, and you responsibly adhere to them, there will not be any problem of any sort.[/B] 5. Locking firearms away is also extremely dangerous. Most of the time, a human being will NOT wake up like a dog will to the first noise of a break-in inside their home. By the time you realize what is going on, you have seconds, or, in some cases simply a second. Even if you have a lockbox installed under the bed with fingerprint lock or fingerpad combination, its still going to take a second or two to unlock it, another 2 or three seconds to pull the gun out, center it in your hands, aim and fire. Catch my drift?

Here in Finland guns are really strict, and will become even more. Right now you must first fill in a bunch of forms and give them to your local police. Then the papers will go for check and the persons' backgrounds will also be cheked. For every gun you own, you have to have a specific liecence, there is no universal liecences, I don't even know if they exist somewhere. Then you must have a good reasons for owning a firearm here. I think that only 2 usages are virtually acceptable: sports and hunting. You also should be a member of a hunting or a shooting club. (It makes the liecence more easy to get). For short firearms (<600mm barrel lenght) eg. pistols and such, you first have to get a doctor's qualification for not being insane. The gun liecenses are temporary, you have to renew them every 5 or 10 years. The laws have been set becouse of those school shootings, which have been done by around 18 year old students. The politicans in here think that stricting guns is the best way to stop the murders and shoot-outs.. Wrong place to begin, I tell ya'. Most of the murders and such have been made with illegal guns, which have come from Russia, or been left over from the second world war. Anyway I think that this law model does not work. But it is hard to suggest anything better. I've got my firearms fairly easy, and a painful new law will step in this june. Then you must be 18 years old to own a long gun and if I remember right, 21 to own a short gun. And oh, the suggestion of mine. I don't know if this would fit the US but anyway, Let's begin. First of all, you should be 15 years old for getting a parallel liecence, For any type of acceptable weapon. Then you should be atleast 20 for getting your OWN short weapon liecence. (The terms short and long aren't really used, but in my opinion they are more clear than the actual ones..) The doctor's qualification shouldn't exist at all, what kind of doctor would want to be the one to be blamed, when you go out and kill someone with a legal gun. Instead of, you should gather some suggestions, for example from your hunting club, and your friends. If you are considered as an idiot, they won't give them. The suggestion would be an autograph, nothing more complex. If there would be a "gunowner's liecence", the temporary liecences could be forgotten. Then you could own the liecenses for the weapons and the "gunowner's liecence" which you could renew every 10 years. (EDIT:That is the current situation -->) If you own for example 5 firearms, you must fill in five forms and some attachments for them every 10 years. AND the processing for each form will be around 30 euros each. So it will be expensive too! Please tell me your opinions about the current laws and my suggestion, I'd love to tell more.