No one should need a weapon to solve an argument. Just my 2 cents
[QUOTE=Pleather;29594868]No one should need a weapon to solve an argument. Just my 2 cents[/QUOTE]
A mentally ill person or drugged and psychotic individual coming at you from no where, for no reason, with a knife or gun or other deadly item that you have a small chance of defending yourself against, is not an argument.
I would like to kindly remind everyone here that people who fall into the mentally unstable/ill category and people who are psychotically enraged do not tend to respond to attempts to calm down a situation or "work things out".
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29585952]This Conservative majority in Canada marks the end of the long gun registry in Canada, and an era of looser gun control for Canadians.[/QUOTE]
He'll probably abolish the long gun registry (which I don't care about either way) but he's not going to loosen gun laws beyond that very much.
Keep in mind that his victory was dependant on Ontario and B.C. this time, two places that will swing Liberal or NDP at the slightest hint of trouble - and the urban areas in those two provinces consider guns to be more trouble than anything. You also have to consider that while he has a majority, he only has 40% of the vote.
This is Harper's first majority. He's going to tread extremely carefully in an attempt to get elected again.
Looser gun control is a broad spectrum, to narrow it down a bit I'm talking about the abolition of ATT (authorization to transport) papers for restricted weapons, which apparently can take months to get, and the legalization of handguns for hunting again. This may come with a separate hunting license for handguns specifically, and require additional training, if Harper wants to make it appeal as much as he can to the paranoid populace of Toronto and Vancouver.
It's pathetic, really. A gun club was raffling off a pistol to someone with an RPAL, so they weren't doing anything illegal, and the Toronto Star and CityNews flipped shit about it for a solid week, and they also flipped shit that a Conservative MP was supposed to be at that dinner. The kind of ridiculous backlash on firearms that's resulted because of our paranoid old NDP mayor and our current Liberal Premier is insane and unjustified. The mayor banned, in his second last year in office, the sale and exhibition of firearms on city property. The [url=http://www.torontosportshow.ca/]Toronto Sportsmen's Show[/url], an event hosted traditionally in the municipally-owned Direct Energy Centre every year to promote outdoor sporting activities, including paintball and hunting, which generated a lot of tourist revenue every year for Toronto, nearly had to move to Mississauga because of this unwarranted and groundless ban on even DISPLAYING firearms on city property. They instead moved to the provincially-owned Metro Toronto Convention Centre last year. I despise the way people like this and certain media outlets try to criminalize people who take their time and undertake the responsibility to go out and get legally licensed to possess a firearm as if they're the ones committing the crimes. It absolutely disgusts me.
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Okay I understand, you like tools of murder.[/QUOTE]
In that logic: Rip out the teeth from lions, take out poisonous stinger from scorpions.
Just because i have a gun doesn't mean i will kill people randomly.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29531905]My point was that you don't NEED guns to overthrow a government[/QUOTE]
I'm going to fix this quote for you: "My point was that you don't [B]always[/B] need guns to overthrow a government".
[QUOTE=sp00ks;29531495]Okay, you've convinced me, everyone who steals deserves to die.
Saying that thieves are just evil is simply not true. The world is way more complicated than that.[/QUOTE]
Don't break into my house and I won't kill you. Not a fucking difficult concept to understand.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;29593748]Not at all. If I want weapons of mass destruction (chemical weapons, nuclear weapons etc.) it's my God given right to own them. If I want a slave, and the free market wants to sell it to me, I can see no problems with buying one.[/QUOTE]
Do you make these comments with a straight face? You're a fucking idiot.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29595960]I despise the way people like this and certain media outlets try to criminalize people who take their time and undertake the responsibility to go out and get legally licensed to possess a firearm as if they're the ones committing the crimes. It absolutely disgusts me.[/QUOTE]
I despise how the extremes on both sides handle the issue. There aren't any examples of countries that have strong gun [i]control[/i] but that don't ban near everything so the far left thinks the only alternative is the USA and the far right thinks the only alternative is the UK.
Why can't we settle somewhere in the middle?
[QUOTE=DaveOfDefeat;29594742]
3. Who the fuck are you to tell me I can't protect myself?
[/QUOTE]
The democratically elected government.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29596216]I despise how the extremes on both sides handle the issue. There aren't any examples of countries that have strong gun [i]control[/i] but that don't ban near everything so the far left thinks the only alternative is the USA and the far right thinks the only alternative is the UK.
Why can't we settle somewhere in the middle?[/QUOTE]
We've come close here in Canada now, we just maybe need a little more unbanned, and possibly under another class of license. The issue with that is the Grits want to ban more and the Tories want to either unrestrict it a bit too much, or are too reluctant to do almost anything for fear of losing approval. It depends on the results of the polls at the time, usually.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29596333]We've come close here in Canada now, we just maybe need a little more unbanned, and possibly under another class of license. The issue with that is the Grits want to ban more and the Tories want to either unrestrict it a bit too much, or are too reluctant to do almost anything for fear of losing approval. It depends on the results of the polls at the time, usually.[/QUOTE]
I had an idea of a gun license system that works similar to the driver's license system.
Step one is applying for a probationary license that requires a basic safety course and a background check. Once you have this, you can purchase non-restricted guns. (Perhaps limited to a certain amount)
After some time, you are automatically graduated to a full basic license (provided there were no incidents involving firearms) which allows you to own and operate any number of non-restricted firearms. Every three years or so, this would need to be renewed.
Restricted and prohibited guns could be broken down into type of weapon in order to more effectively administer training courses for each and upon completing those you get an endorsement on your license which allows you to purchase those types of weapons. (Also subject to regular renewals)
There would be a separate system for people who are simply collectors.
That sounds like it could work well, but I personally just don't like the idea of wait times. Instead, I wanted to break down licenses into more categories, with certain categories needing extensive background checks, endorsements from holders of firearms licenses, and possibly essays people should write in explanation as to why they should be allowed to have that license, and certain licenses should expire sooner than others. As well, I believe autos should be legal, but only to ex/current police/military personnel, and they should be very strictly monitored, subject to monthly inspections to make sure they're being stored appropriately, restricted (as they are now to those few prohib owners) to only being allowed to shoot on military ranges, and should need renewal of the license every 6 months/1 year. If we trust them with it in uniform, why can't we trust them with it out of uniform?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29597136]That sounds like it could work well, but I personally just don't like the idea of wait times. Instead, I wanted to break down licenses into more categories, with certain categories needing extensive background checks, endorsements from holders of firearms licenses, and possibly essays people should write in explanation as to why they should be allowed to have that license, and certain licenses should expire sooner than others. As well, I believe autos should be legal, but only to ex/current police/military personnel, and they should be very strictly monitored, subject to monthly inspections to make sure they're being stored appropriately, restricted (as they are now to those few prohib owners) to only being allowed to shoot on military ranges, and should need renewal of the license every 6 months/1 year. If we trust them with it in uniform, why can't we trust them with it out of uniform?[/QUOTE]
I didn't even suggest going that far
why essays? If I want to drive a tractor trailer instead of my normal car I just take a test that shows proficiency in operating a tractor trailer, I don't need to explain why I want to drive one to get the endorsement
You just out-liberalled me
I like how you two say "lets have a middle ground" yet you propose ideas that are stricter than what we currently have.
Less bans but more control, because the two are not one in the same.
[QUOTE=Falchion;29586763]Basically I think most everyone in america is a crazy hillbilly on some level.[/QUOTE]
Oh, that lends some real credibility to your opinions. You must have never been to America because that is not the case. You aren't even using the term hillbilly properly. I don't think Diego Martinez, who lives in East Central L.A., would agree with you calling him white trash. I don't know where you come from but there's a reason they call the US a melting pot. Way to be condescending.
If anyone wants to see the form one usually has to fill out to acquire a firearms license in Canada, [url=http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/num-nom/921-eng.htm]here it is.[/url] If you click the "Download Form CAFC 921" button, it opens a .pdf file, which contains the 7 pages of information and forms you need.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29592814]I can't remember all the details, but I'm pretty sure he must have been arrested.
Basically an argument escalated to extreme stupidity, now there is an incident logged that armed police were called to his residence.
Basically (in the UK) if you have insane neighbours, you will probably shouldn't even bother trying to get a firearms license.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a case of the hyper-paranoid-tutting-self-righteous-dailymail subscribing neighbor.
I feel sorry for your friend.
I know what its like to live around those types, they're utter kill joys. It's alien to me to be so afraid of everything and everyone. If you try to have "fun" they call the police on you for "terrorizing the community" or some bullshit like that.
[editline]3rd May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29602345]If anyone wants to see the form one usually has to fill out to acquire a firearms license in Canada, [url=http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/num-nom/921-eng.htm]here it is.[/url] If you click the "Download Form CAFC 921" button, it opens a .pdf file, which contains the 7 pages of information and forms you need.[/QUOTE]
Jeez...Here it's barely a page and a half of questions and that's it :v:
Guns should be distributed but ony with tests and background checks. Standard checks for pistols and assault rifles, background checks for rocket launchers and mortars. One those who know how to operate one can purchase a tank or jet fighter. Biological weapons are only for those who got good grades in science class. Weapons should have reasonable prices too, such as $10 for a mortar shell, I get $2 a week for taking out the trash, so I don't mind saving up for a few weeks. I'm a 40year old man, I can harden up and go without my Cheeto's for a few weeks.
My dad hunts deer and stuff so he has a ton of rifles, handguns, shotguns, anything (legal) you can think of and even some bows
When he gets a deer
We make sausage out of it
And...
I LOVE IT
So that pretty much sums up my feelings on guns
[sp]I agree with OP in other words[/sp]
[QUOTE=Aman V;29597594]I like how you two say "lets have a middle ground" yet you propose ideas that are stricter than what we currently have.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about Canada
And yes US needs stricter gun laws (but not gun [i]bans[/i])
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;29605931]My dad hunts deer and stuff so he has a ton of rifles, handguns, shotguns, anything (legal) you can think of and even some bows
When he gets a deer
We make sausage out of it
And...
I LOVE IT
So that pretty much sums up my feelings on guns
[sp]I agree with OP in other words[/sp][/QUOTE]
What you just stated was your feelings on deer sausages...
[QUOTE=DaveOfDefeat;29594995]A mentally ill person or drugged and psychotic individual coming at you from no where, for no reason, with a knife or gun or other deadly item that you have a small chance of defending yourself against, is not an argument.
I would like to kindly remind everyone here that people who fall into the mentally unstable/ill category and people who are psychotically enraged do not tend to respond to attempts to calm down a situation or "work things out".[/QUOTE]
Police work. Besides, gun laws should be even more strict, preventing those people from getting their hands on weapons. No one should need to use a weapon, it just increases the level of violence in society
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;29605931]My dad hunts deer and stuff so he has a ton of rifles, handguns, shotguns, anything (legal) you can think of and even some bows
When he gets a deer
We make sausage out of it
And...
I LOVE IT
So that pretty much sums up my feelings on guns
[sp]I agree with OP in other words[/sp][/QUOTE]
What does he hunt with the handguns?
I love knives a lot more than guns. I'm glad that their sale is practically uncontrolled, but I wish that it were possible to obtain a permit, like with guns, to carry them in public. I think that the concealed-carry firearm permits should have a second part for knives, but even an open-carry permit would be nice. I don't like having to put my machetes in the trunk of my car and drive them around when I'd rather walk.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;29491610]Ideal: Guns are hevily restricted, only hunters or people working for the government should be allowed, exceptions for people who are in situations where they would need a gun in case they need to portect themselves, i.e protecting a witness of a crime from some gangsters or some shit.
Okay I understand, you like tools of murder.[/QUOTE]
You sound like a republican idiot.
[QUOTE=Copy_Cat;29616072]You sound like a republican idiot.[/QUOTE]
You obviously don't understand the ideals of Republicans, there shouldn't be ANY gun restrictions at all according to them.
I don't really like gun restrictions either and I'm not a republican.
Gun regulations seem like a fairly sweet idea, but the fact is you're trying to put something into a rational context (access to firearms) in the same arena with a highly irrational act or mindset (murder with a firearm).
The fact is, the strict restrictions don't really work for people who commit crimes and the more restrictions you put on those products, will simply drive the black market up as a result.
It will become more and more profitable to sell under the table firearms, the more restrictions you put on it. I also highly doubt it will seriously restrict access to career criminals or insane people.
I'm not questioning the motive, crazy people and criminals shouldn't have guns, no argument there, I'm questioning the supposed effectiveness of creating laws to stop them from obtaining them.
What you doing at the very worst is preventing people who may never have committed a crime from obtaining a firearm, what you're doing at the very best stopping a few mentally unstable people from owning firearms. Even that is debatable because as people who are against the drug war know, the more you exert force of government over a specific market, the more it drives up demand for a market with no regulation at all.
I would rather have a system based on minimal simple checks that allows a maximum amount of people owning guns, it took me a long time to get a firearm in Chicago and I can imagine a scenario where people might have otherwise turned to the black market or just not have owned a firearm at all rather than going through the appropriate channels. (and in fact i met a few)
You might disagree with me but I think you can even agree with me on this: Let the states decide gun legislation. My state has very strict gun control laws and others do not. This is alright with me and i see no reason why this should be a central government matter at all.
Just try to take my guns, go ahead try it :)
My collection:
Russian (Tula) SKS, 7.62x39, all original w/ matching numbers circa 1950s
Romanian WASR-2 (AK74 clone, 5.45x39), upgraded with poly stock and authentic "zigzag" muzzle brake
Romanian Draco-C AK47 Pistol, 7.62x39
Glock 19 Gen 4 RTF2, 9x19
Hi-Point C9, 9mm (Not shown out of embarrassment)
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[QUOTE=krunchy;29622370]Just try to take my guns, go ahead try it :)[/QUOTE]
Nobody is trying to take your guns
cool down there tex
Funnily enough, due to a technical qualification in United States law,
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23737955/DSCF0007%20copy.jpg[/img]
that thing is a pistol :v:
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