[QUOTE=krunchy;29622370]Just try to take my guns, go ahead try it :)
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I want that Ak74
[QUOTE=s0beit;29629242]Funnily enough, due to a technical qualification in United States law,
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that thing is a pistol :v:[/QUOTE]
If I really wanted to I could carry it concealed legally, but it's too damn big. I'd have to be in a trench coat all day.
[QUOTE=krunchy;29674988]If I really wanted to I could carry it concealed legally, but it's too damn big. I'd have to be in a trench coat all day.[/QUOTE]
Move to an open carry state, problem solved
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;29491546]I really don't care about people having guns, but if you ever point one at me there is going to be one hell of a bloody mess.[/QUOTE]
And that mess will be the back of your head after you try to be a tough guy and disarm the person mugging you. I really hate the gun control in California, it's a pain in the ass to get a license, a ton of guns are illegal here, and getting a concealed weapons license is nearly impossible. The thing that annoys me the most though is that people who are going to use the guns to rob places and mug people are going to get their hands on a gun/knife regardless of whether it's legal or not so it feels kind of unnecessary to me to have so many laws regarding guns and licenses.
This has probably already been posted at some point, but whatever.
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It's one thing to regulate something you understand, but voting to ban something when you don't even know what it is? It blows my mind.
[QUOTE=tomcat13;29691573]This has probably already been posted at some point, but whatever.
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It's one thing to regulate something you understand, but voting to ban something when you don't even know what it is? It blows my mind.[/QUOTE]
That's politics. All of it. Everything has it's dumbasses.
I wouldn't mind some more intense checks or some sort of competency test for purchasing a firearm. Every time I go to the range there's a least one idiot that should definitely not have a firearm of any sort, making the rest of us look bad.
I say the sale and import of automatic weapons should be legal, but to buy them there has to be a strict background check and mandatory safety lesson.
[QUOTE=Esrange;29698268]I say the sale and import of automatic weapons should be legal, but to buy them there has to be a strict background check and mandatory safety lesson.[/QUOTE]
Every new gun comes with a manual that lists the 4 rules of firearms safety (10 if you buy a Remington)
[QUOTE=Ridge;29698849]Every new gun comes with a manual that lists the 4 rules of firearms safety (10 if you buy a Remington)[/QUOTE]
In fairness anyone who buys a firearm without evena basic knowledge of them is unlikely to read the manual.
Why would you want a gun if not to shoot it?
We could just ban the sale of live ammunition except for hunting purposes.
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Personally, I'm against hunting, but some people still want to do it so I don't see a ban on that coming anytime soon.
I don't get all the fuss. Why they're trying to take our guns away from us.
I ain't gonna shoot anyone, and no one shoots at me because I've got a gun.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;29699873]Why would you want a gun if not to shoot it?
We could just ban the sale of live ammunition except for hunting purposes.
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Personally, I'm against hunting, but some people still want to do it so I don't see a ban on that coming anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Pro tip: It is stupidly easy to reload ammunition, so it would do nothing to decrease the amount of available ammunition.
I say we ban crime.
Make crime illegal, and nobody will do it.
[QUOTE=Ridge;29698849]Every new gun comes with a manual that lists the 4 rules of firearms safety (10 if you buy a Remington)[/QUOTE]
I know. But like with cars (whoop whoop car analogy), I'm sure most people know the basics of driving and can figure it out for themselves, but it would make me feel better if I know that it was guaranteed that anyone owning an automatic weapon had the basic knowledge of how to safely handle it.
[QUOTE=Esrange;29704860]I know. But like with cars (whoop whoop car analogy), I'm sure most people know the basics of driving and can figure it out for themselves, but it would make me feel better if I know that it was guaranteed that anyone owning an automatic weapon had the basic knowledge of how to safely handle it.[/QUOTE]
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Thank you
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The information I am about to provide is a paper solely through my own research for a history project on gun control I did a while back. Sorry about the pre-amble if it annoys you. Information is mixed between Canada and the United States of America. Some of the information may be outdated.
[quote]Gun control is also known as gun politics in which [i] “a set of legal issues surrounding the ownership, use, and regulation of firearms as well as safety issues related to firearms both through their direct use and through legal and criminal use.” [/i]
Gun politics can be broken down into different sectors, including: international, nation, state, community, individual, city, religious and corporate areas.
[Inter]national sovereignty, in which nations hold the power and the rights to police their own nations and protect their boundaries from surrounding nations. Nations that violate the code to arms control often face severe penalties.
Interpol (International Criminal Police Organization) serves as the authorized law enforcer to investigate suspicion of weapon smuggling. Other national police and arm services, such as the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) who supports the U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR) to “aggressively enforce this mission and reduce the number of weapons that are illegally trafficked worldwide from the U.S. and used to commit acts of international terrorism…”
National legislation for Canada: Canada requires “all firearms to be registered with the Royal Canadian mounted Police and all firearm owners to be licensed with the Canadian Firearms Center.”
[b]Some History[/b]: Gun politics in Canada dates from the early days of Confederation, when Justices of the peace (‘a puisne (inferior) judicial officer appointed by means of commission to keep peace) could carry out charges to those who carried handguns with no reasonable charges.
Criminal Code of Canada amendments between 1890 and 1970 have increased gun control on firearms, while in the late 1970’s and the 1990’s, great changes in gun control occurred.
Canada’s law on gun control requires that a potential customer must be 18 years or older to purchase or maintain (legally) a firearm. A citizen of Canada who is younger than 18, but older than 12 may obtain a Minor’s License, which doesn’t allow them to purchase a firearm, but allows them to borrow a firearm unsupervised and purchase ammunition. Children under 12 years that are found to need a firearm in order to hunt or trap may also obtain a Minor’s License.
Removable bullpup (the actions and the magazine are located behind the trigger, allowing for increased barrel length, saving weight and increasing maneuverability) stocks are classified as prohibited (ie. Walther G22), which guns with an integrated bullpup (ie. PS-90 and IMI Tavor) are not subject to regulation.
As of January 1, 2001, all firearms in Canada must be registered with the Canadian gun registry.
To purchase a handgun or other restricted firearms, one must have a restricted license and be a member of a certified range.
Semi-automatics guns are subject to only carry 5 or 6 rounds, but the Lee Enfield and M1 Garand are exempt from this requirement.
Canada’s gun control laws also restrict the ability for security guards to be armed, except for those who are hired by armored car companies.[/quote]
Now we’re getting into studies at this point.
[quote]Over 5 million gun owning Canadians have not registered their firearms. A study in June 2000 showed that only 6.4 million Canadians registered their firearms, despite a 1974 estimate of over 10 million guns in Canada.
According to studies done [/quote], and as I have apparently cited Wikipedia.org, [quote] violent crime increased significantly between 19xx and 1995 due largely to Bill 127, rather than to ???? ???? violent crime itself.
The rate of homicide in Canada peaked in 1975 at 3.03 per 100,000 and since then has dropped in 1985 (2.xx per 100,000), 1991 (2.69 per 100,000) and 1.73 per 100,000 in 2003. Considering this information, it is subject to believe that gun control in Canada and elsewhere have succeeded.
A study from ABC’s 20/20 shows Wikipedia another viewpoint in gun control in a segment called ‘Myth: Gun Control Reduces Crime”.
“More guns lead to more violence,” says Mayor Adrian Fenty of the District of Columbia. Tom Commerce believes otherwise; gun crime [he believes] has gone up since Washington’s Gun Law Pass…and he would be correct.
Since the actual bill passed in D.C., [b]the murder rate actually increased while America’s murder rate dropped.[/b]
The big controversial position on gun politics is that guns can also save lives, as shown by an example with Tom Commerce.
[quote] “We were walking down the street and this group of young men, they stood up, followed us and told us, “We’re going to kill you…” and “They’ll never find the bodies…” and I turned around and showed them my pistol…and merely having a weapon and being able to display it when I was threatened saved my life.” –Tom Commerce[/quote]
Most people would think that it’s illegal to carry guns around in America, but it’s not. Today, in America, in about 40 states, it IS LEGAL to carry around a concealed handgun [b]and statistics show that in those 40 states there is no more crime or violence than with states where guns are restricted.[/b]
The town of Kennesaw, Georgia went even further and passed a law REQUIRING ever household to have a gun. Statistics show that no increase in crime was ‘put forth’.
Lt. Craig Graydon of the Kennesaw Police Dept. states, [b]“After the ordinance was passed, there was actually a decrease in reported crime, especially violent crime. Even townspeople say that they like the law and Kennesaw is a very peaceful place to be. “It makes people think twice before they make a decision.”[/b]
When interviewing maximum security prison mates, they fear an armed ‘victim’ much more than the police because “when you try to rob someone you don’t know, it makes it much harder.” Gun laws don’t even apply to them anyway, they don’t obey them.
[quote][b] “I’m not worried about the government sayin’ that I can’t carry a gun. I’ma carry a gun anyway.”[/b] –A Maximum Security Felon[/quote]
When robbers broke into an old couples home, Raymond yelled, “Get the gun! Get the gun!” Joyce did and when the robbers saw it, they ran away. Joyce says, [b] “Just having a gun changes the balance of power…”[/b]
Even a more controversial idea: some Virginia Tech. students say that they wish students are allowed to carry guns.
Five years ago at the Appalachian School of Law, that’s exactly what did happen. Hearing shots, 2 students ran to their cars, got their guns and helped restrain the shooter until the police arrived.
Tom Commerce says, [b] “One of the things a gun does is it equalizes ‘unequals.’”[/b]
Gun control isn’t actually crime control according to the National Academy of Science, who has reviewed hundreds of studied and [b] “could not document a SINGLE gun regulation that reduced violent crime or murder.”[/b]
Tom Commerce gives us an example to roleplay: “Which would you rather have if someone breaks into your house? A handgun or a telephone? You can call the police if you want and they’ll get there…and they’ll take a picture of your dead body, but they can’t get there in time to save your life. The first line of defense is you.”
Of course, in the end, this study cannot necessarily be transposed to Canadian culture as Canadian culture and U.S.A. culture differ greatly. The study was to show the widespread variety of gun control and how studied have proven that gun control is not necessarily needed or is just a big bunch of hooey.
[b]Canadian Controversy:[/b] Gun ownership and rates of suicide involving guns. Martin Killias suggests that more guns usually means more victims of suicide and homicide. Rich et al., however, found that while having higher gun restrictions, the amount of suicide by gun had no fluctuation, because of substitution in other methods. For example, Japan has one of the highest suicide rates while private firearm ownership is almost non-existent.
[b]Resisting Tyranny:[/b] Totalitarianism governments often try to disarm their citizens and only allow those who support them to own and possess guns.
[b]Self Defense:[/b] One of the biggest controversial issues in gun control. Opinion editorialist John Lott has written a book called, “More Guns, Less Crime” in which he identifies a correlation between gun control legislation and in which criminals confront citizens. His book also shows that an increase in unemployment is statistically associated with a crime drop and that a small decrease in the population that is black, female and between the ages of 40-49 would result in a big decrease in homicide. This data comes from all 3,504 of the U.S. counties.
Lott’s suggestion, as one told by ABC’s 20/20, is to allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms, deterring potential criminals who may not know who is carrying a gun.
The United States Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, found that “A fifth of the victims defending themselves with a firearm suffered an injury, compared to almost half of those who defended themselves with weapons other than a firearm or who had no weapon.”
[b]Domestic Violence:[/b] Gun advocates suggest that the strongest available evidence linking availability of guns to injury and mortality rates come in studies of domestic violence. In a study by Arthur Kellermann, he surveyed all in-home homicides in 3 cities of about half a million people each over 5 years, and found that the risk of a homicide was slightly higher in homes where a handgun was present.
Critics of Kellermann’s work (namely, John Lott, Gary Kleck, etc.), point out that, it intentionally ignores crime found outside of the home, and it is a study more of domestic violence rather than of gun ownership. Critics also say that guns are used to protect property, save lives, and deter crime without killing the criminal, which as Lott and Kleck agree, accounts for a major part of defensive gun uses.
[b]Civil Rights:[/b] Jeff Snyder is the best known spokesman to put forth the view that gun possession is a civil right and thus, arguments about whether gun restrictions reduce or increase crime are beside the point.
[quote] “I am not here engaged in…recommending…policy prescriptions on the basis of the promised or probable results [on crime]…Thus these essays are not fundamentally about guns at all…They are foremost, about…the kind of people we intend to be…and the ethical and political consequences of decision [to control firearms]” –Jeff Snyder[/quote]
My position on gun control is based on the statistics received from all the studies done and real-life examples and stands that: Gun control is not exactly necessary. Sure, restricting guns may show otherwise. When having a gun, it makes people think twice before they make a rash decision, because you’d never know who had a gun and who didn’t.
Of course, people must abide by the law and not start shooting up everyone and everything they see, just because they can. Rather, only law-abiding citizens with a clean criminal record should be allowed to have guns. After all, it makes them feel safer and according to statistics, it usually is safer and statistics [usually] never lie.[/quote]
Keep in mind, my views on gun control has evolved over the years, but still match closely to certain points found in the research paper.
Sorry if it doesn’t relate 100%, but I hope it provides some insight and comparison to different ideologies.
Lol at people who think that being a hunter= the only thing you EVER do is hunt and that's it. Hunting is a leisure activity. Not a federal job.
{Directed @ People who said only hunters and government people should be allowed to own guns}
Once again I have to shoot a bitch in his shit.
I'm against gun control. Being armed gives me the capability to defend myself, and if that means a minutely higher chance of running into a mugger armed with a handgun instead of a switchblade, so be it. Guns are not cheap enough for your average street ganger to afford (especially when purchased illegally), but can make all the difference for self-defense in a life-or-death situation.
[QUOTE=frodevil;29791026]Lol at people who think that being a hunter= the only thing you EVER do is hunt and that's it. Hunting is a leisure activity. Not a federal job.
{Directed @ People who said only hunters and government people should be allowed to own guns}[/QUOTE]
It can also earn an income and put food on the table for your family.
[QUOTE=catbarf;29791485]I'm against gun control. Being armed gives me the capability to defend myself, and if that means a minutely higher chance of running into a mugger armed with a handgun instead of a switchblade, so be it. [b]Guns are not cheap enough for your average street ganger to afford (especially when purchased illegally)[/b], but can make all the difference for self-defense in a life-or-death situation.[/QUOTE]
Which is why the Hi-Point is the weapon of choice of most welfare kings. :v:
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;29799557]Which is why the Hi-Point is the weapon of choice of most welfare kings. :v:[/QUOTE]
Thank god they are heavy, ugly and almost unable to be concealed.
I mean just look at it
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They are like $250 new while other handguns run $650 new.
I'm willing to trade a great deal of safety for freedom.
Even so, statistically there isn't a whole lot of support for gun control making much of anything safer. Poverty levels, quality of education, and how heterogeneous a population is are infinitely more linked to violent crime.
So I support [i]population[/i] control through superior funding for schools and better social programs for keeping people above the poverty line. With less poverty and better education, the effects of population heterogeneousness can be mitigated a great deal.
We know what causes crime in virtually every society in existence. It is the same goddamn thing EVERYWHERE. How about we fix it now?
Getting my CCW this summer I hope.
[QUOTE=Siminov;29800155]Thank god they are heavy, ugly and almost unable to be concealed.
I mean just look at it
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They are like $250 new while other handguns run $650 new.[/QUOTE]
There's a pawn and gun near here that had a used one for sale. The thing looked in new-ish shape. They were trying to sell it for like 75$. When I asked to see it the guy behind the counter immediately blurted out "You can have it for 40, please just take it."
Guess they didn't have any luck selling it :v:
My father said that here in vegas, you can carry a weapon on the strip/anywhere in the city in the open, and nothing would happen to you. Sure the cops would probably talk to you, but you get scott free if you aren't doing anything bad.
Is this true, or what
[QUOTE=The Spie;29878973]My father said that here in vegas, you can carry a weapon on the strip/anywhere in the city in the open, and nothing would happen to you. Sure the cops would probably talk to you, but you get scott free if you aren't doing anything bad.
Is this true, or what[/QUOTE]
open carry
[QUOTE=GunFox;29800307]I'm willing to trade a great deal of safety for freedom.
Even so, statistically there isn't a whole lot of support for gun control making much of anything safer. Poverty levels, quality of education, and how heterogeneous a population is are infinitely more linked to violent crime.
So I support [i]population[/i] control through superior funding for schools and better social programs for keeping people above the poverty line. With less poverty and better education, the effects of population heterogeneousness can be mitigated a great deal.
We know what causes crime in virtually every society in existence. It is the same goddamn thing EVERYWHERE. How about we fix it now?[/QUOTE]
hurr durr too many taxes, big government is evil etc.
that's why we don't fix it.
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