ITT: Gun Control - General - Facepunch Forum

[QUOTE=Big Orca;29493444]Where the fuck is "here"[/QUOTE] The Netherlands

[QUOTE=BrQ;29493642]The Netherlands[/QUOTE] Isn't The Netherlands some creepy place in Minecraft?

[QUOTE=Optional Pirate;29493783]Isn't The Netherlands some creepy place in Minecraft?[/QUOTE] Yeah I live there

Possession of firearms should be prohibited for civilians. Hunters should be able to get a certain license to possess hunting rifles, provided that they are only used for hunting and locked away in a safe cabinet if not used.

I'm of the belief that any sound minded adult can own and use a gun. I believe in licensing and registration to stop people from selling gun to criminals etc

I thought this thread was about gun posture, I wanted to talk about wrist control. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2REG3-Wb5gM[/media]

I think that various gun laws are appropriate for various countries. For example, in Australia, most gun-related death is suicide, and even then it's minimal. You can still get guns, but it's heavily regulated. It's okay though, because we have relatively low levels of crime. In America, where there is this huge mix of social inequality and so on, it is necessary.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;29491546]I really don't care about people having guns, but if you ever point one at me there is going to be one hell of a bloody mess.[/QUOTE] Of course there will be one hell of a bloody mess :v:

[QUOTE=BrQ;29493422]Guns are illegal here (except for hunting and sports, obviously only with a permit) and from what I know and hear, gun violence is pretty rare here and I think it's fine if we keep it this way.[/QUOTE] Actually, the rate of killings or incidents with guns have gone up in our country.

[QUOTE=Big Orca;29491955]Do you have a reason? A reason other than our horridly outdated constitution? We (civilians) have no use for guns. But they're cool, so let's sell them to people who won't forget to put safety on when they're done with them.[/QUOTE] Is your computer needed for your job, or to support your life? Oh, it's not? Well, guess you don't need it. Time to pitch that fucker out the window.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29494058]Possession of firearms should be prohibited for civilians. Hunters should be able to get a certain license to possess hunting rifles, provided that they are only used for hunting and locked away in a safe cabinet if not used.[/QUOTE] Why can't civilians own firearms?

[QUOTE=TheSupahero;29493459]Gun control is a fool's dream. Strict gun control only makes good citizens into even better victims. Do you honestly believe that a criminal would abide by the law in order to purchase a firearm and then commit a crime? No, they wouldn't. They acquire them through illegal means. So Joe Average that is about to get mugged or have his house broken into in the middle of the night will have a difficult time protecting his family and property with strict gun laws. I'm not saying there should be no restriction, not at all. But they could be a bit lighter for the law-abiding citizens.[/QUOTE] A license to purchase guns won't stop criminals from getting them but if the license involves taking a gun safety course it will prevent accidents caused by non-criminal but careless gun use. We do it for cars, we should do it for guns too.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29494373]Why can't civilians own firearms?[/QUOTE] Because civilians don't deserve the right to defend their own existence.

[QUOTE=Natrox;29494354]Actually, the rate of killings or incidents with guns have gone up in our country.[/QUOTE] I can imagine but I'm sure it's not a number to worry about

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29494373]Why can't civilians own firearms?[/QUOTE] Firearms are completely useless and dangerous for the common man. I think guns should be reserved for legitimate usage rather than providing people with a false sense of security; you're not going to get robbed just because you don't have a gun equipped.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29494533]Firearms are completely useless and dangerous for the common man. I think guns should be reserved for legitimate usage rather than providing people with a false sense of security; you're not going to get robbed just because you don't have a gun equipped.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's a completely legitimate reason to disarm civilians. Not having a gun doesn't directly cause people to break into your home so clearly you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself with one.

I'm rather fine with how things are in the US at the moment. I'm all for [i]thorough[/i] background checks. And as far as courses are concerned, they're there, wouldn't want to force someone to cough up an extra $150 on top of the purchase though I would like it if they (Firearm dealers) stressed their importance a more to absolute newcomers to firearms.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;29494621]Yeah that's a completely legitimate reason to disarm civilians. Not having a gun doesn't directly cause people to break into your home so clearly you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself with one.[/QUOTE] That's a totally seperate issue; criminality is directly linked with poverty. Poor people break into houses to earn quick money, so the solution here is not to allow firearms, but to diminish income gaps and exterminate poverty.

gun culture sucks it's whats wrong with america the rest of the world doesn't have anywhere near as much gun related crime or violence, seems it comes down to america having the constitutional right to own guns

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29494761]That's a totally seperate issue; criminality is directly linked with poverty. Poor people break into houses to earn quick money, so the solution here is not to allow firearms, but to diminish income gaps and exterminate poverty.[/QUOTE] Ok. How does this translate into people having better means to defend themselves being something that shouldn't be allowed?

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29494761]That's a totally seperate issue; criminality is directly linked with poverty. Poor people break into houses to earn quick money, so the solution here is not to allow firearms, but to diminish income gaps and exterminate poverty.[/QUOTE] Oh boy I can TOTALLY see where you're going with this. Please just stop now, it cannot work, it will not work and it's a borderline fascist idea.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;29494835]Ok. How does this translate into people having better means to defend themselves being something that shouldn't be allowed?[/QUOTE] It's just a false sense of security. If poverty is exterminated then there will be less robbers and intruders trying to steal your money, then you won't need guns to defend yourself because nobody is going to rob you.

And before someone says you don't need a gun to defend yourself, not everyone is physically capable of defending an actual attempt on their life without a gun. Some people have disabilities or are just plain weak.

[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;29494870]Oh boy I can TOTALLY see where you're going with this. Please just stop now, it cannot work, it will not work and it's a borderline fascist idea.[/QUOTE] How is it fascism? A lot of countries in Europe have this system and it clearly works.

[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;29494627]I'm rather fine with how things are in the US at the moment. I'm all for [i]thorough[/i] background checks. And as far as courses are concerned, they're there, wouldn't want to force someone to cough up an extra $150 on top of the purchase though I would like it if they (Firearm dealers) stressed their importance a more to absolute newcomers to firearms.[/QUOTE] didn't some senator get shot through the head by some nutjob that was easily able to acquire a gun? sounds like the system works real good

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29494894]It's just a false sense of security. If poverty is exterminated then there will be less robbers and intruders trying to steal your money, then you won't need guns to defend yourself because nobody is going to rob you.[/QUOTE] Not everyone who breaks into a house does it just to rob someone.

[QUOTE=Roo-kie;29494920]didn't some senator get shot through the head by some nutjob that was easily able to acquire a gun? sounds like the system works real good[/QUOTE] And people get stabbed all the time too. The problem is guns are easy to get ahold of illegally, just the same as knifes are. Where there is a will, there's a way.

I think there should be more gun control, especially on pistols. Guns are perfectly fine for responsible people to have, and I think there should definitely be plenty of guns to go around. It's part of being American. If you are a responsible gun owner, having stricter gun control laws shouldn't impede your ability to purchase guns, because you will easily be able to prove that you know how to handle owning a gun. However, this [i]would[/i] help to prevent irresponsible people from getting their hands on guns. About the pistol thing, they are the leading cause of firearm related death by a longshot, and I think they should be treated with the same amount of danger-level as other firearms.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29494894]It's just a false sense of security. If poverty is exterminated then there will be less robbers and intruders trying to steal your money, then you won't need guns to defend yourself because nobody is going to rob you.[/QUOTE] In a perfect world where there is no envy, no anger, no greed then we could truly be happy and hold our hands and fart together in peace and harmony, harmony ohhh looove. [QUOTE=Ond kaja;29494908]How is it fascism? A lot of countries in Europe have this system and it clearly works.[/QUOTE] I don't think we're on the same page if you cannot see how picarious that previous statement of yours was, lets just leave it at that.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;29494949]Not everyone who breaks into a house does it just to rob someone.[/QUOTE] Why else would they? Squatters generally move into abandoned/derelict buildings. The only other reason I can think of is to attack the occupants. I suppose that was your point though.