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The only other reason I can think of is to attack the occupants.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;29494949]Not everyone who breaks into a house does it just to rob someone.[/QUOTE]
Why would you break into a house unless you really need to do so? A large majority of break ins is because of poverty. There might be some single cases of intrusions where the intruder had other reasons than pure financial, that's not enough to justify a gun legalisation.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29495073]Why would you break into a house unless you really need to do so? A large majority of break ins is because of poverty. There might be some single cases of intrusions where the intruder had other reasons than pure financial, that's not enough to justify a gun legalisation.[/QUOTE]
Ok then you are absolutely right. Excuse me for believing that people should have the right to defend themselves against the things that could happen.
I dont understand why automatic guns are illegal in America when pretty much every other type of gun is legal.
If the argument is that you could do more damage with an automatic as opposed to a semi auto then it does not hold much weight. If a psychopath was going to massacre people in a public area with an automatic AK he would get have to reload more often and get less shots per person compared with a semi automatic AK.
[QUOTE=Roo-kie;29494920]didn't some senator get shot through the head by some nutjob that was easily able to acquire a gun?
sounds like the system works real good[/QUOTE]
There's a number of things and screw ups that lead to that. Had current laws been enforced by someone who wasn't a complete incompentent lying twit and FLAGGED Loughner after the alarm bells had gone off, it could have been avoided, he wouldn't have gotten the gun and everything would have been fish and chips and mushy peas for all we know.
Loughner should have been flagged after he got kicked out of college, he wasn't.
[QUOTE=cathal6606;29495120]I dont understand why automatic guns are illegal in America when pretty much every other type of gun is legal.
If the argument is that you could do more damage with an automatic as opposed to a semi auto then it does not hold much weight. If a psychopath was going to massacre people in a public area with an automatic AK he would get have to reload more often and get less shots per person compared with a semi automatic AK.[/QUOTE]
Add to that how easy it is to modify most semi-automatic weapons for automatic firing, if someone really wants to shoot up a school/public place they are unlikely to be concerned about being caught with an illegally modified gun.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;29495013]In a perfect world where there is no envy, no anger, no greed then we could truly be happy and hold our hands and fart together in peace and harmony, harmony ohhh looove.
[/quote]What's so utopical of my argument? It's a fact that lot of crime is cause by poverty. How would exterminating poverty not help fighting crime then?
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I don't think we're on the same page if you cannot see how picarious that previous statement of yours was, lets just leave it at that.[/QUOTE]
No, that was a serious question. How is that fascism? Do you even know what fascism is?
Call me whatever you please, but I much rather have a firearm present for whatever the need may be. Be it defending my home, or hunting game for money/food. I would rather feel what most would call, "False security" then having the feeling that I need to base my trust/safety on a complete stranger.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;29495113]Ok then you are absolutely right. Excuse me for believing that people should have the right to defend themselves against the things that could happen.[/QUOTE]
You have the right to defend yourself.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29495192]You have the right to defend yourself.[/QUOTE]
Unless you are too crippled or weak to defend yourself without a gun because guns are bad.
People should be allowed the same guns as the goverment/army.
[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;29495169][B]Add to that how easy it is to modify most semi-automatic weapons for automatic firing[/B], if someone really wants to shoot up a school/public place they are unlikely to be concerned about being caught with an illegally modified gun.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that's bullshit, bro.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29495178]What's so utopical of my argument? It's a fact that lot of crime is cause by poverty. How would exterminating poverty not help fighting crime then?
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It would help but prohibitive gun laws don't.
If governments spent more time fighting poverty instead of arguing over gun laws there would be far less crimes.
[QUOTE=Billiam;29495246]Pretty sure that's bullshit, bro.[/QUOTE]
In many cases it involves only filing down a catch.
Not great for the condition of a gun in the long term and it might explode in your hands but that's unlikely to concern spree shooters and criminals who'll only be using it once.
I like guns guns are neat.
Hasn't the allowance of guns been shown to reduce crime?
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;29495216]Unless you are too crippled or weak to defend yourself without a gun because guns are bad.[/QUOTE]
There are pepper sprays and similar stuff that is lot less harmful and can still provide you with defensive measures even if you are weak or crippled.
[QUOTE=cathal6606;29495120]I dont understand why automatic guns are illegal in America when pretty much every other type of gun is legal.
If the argument is that you could do more damage with an automatic as opposed to a semi auto then it does not hold much weight. If a psychopath was going to massacre people in a public area with an automatic AK he would get have to reload more often and get less shots per person compared with a semi automatic AK.[/QUOTE]
They're actually not illegal on a federal level
So most american liberals are against guns, i always had this idea of liberals being pro guns
[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;29495250]It would help but prohibitive gun laws don't.
If governments spent more time fighting poverty instead of arguing over gun laws there would be far less crimes.[/QUOTE]
Prohibitive gun laws won't restrict crimes unless complemented with other political actions. Exactly.
Guns are a part of life of almost everyone in the US that doesn't live within cities. I like in Washington, guns are everywhere here. Gun crimes are low, and when they occur, it's usually Hispanic gangs.
Gun control is a terrible idea, it would take a large part out of a lot of peoples lives.
[QUOTE=Roo-kie;29494772]gun culture sucks
it's whats wrong with america
the rest of the world doesn't have anywhere near as much gun related crime or violence, seems it comes down to america having the constitutional right to own guns[/QUOTE]
yeah because the guy next door who owns a shotgun to hunt and (if needed) defend himself from an intruder is what is wrong with america and definitely contributes to the gun related violent crimes here
I don't really get the whole gun for self defense argument but then maybe I don't live my life in a state of paranoia and fear of 'home invasion', probably because I live in a country without that many guns
[QUOTE=cathal6606;29495120]I dont understand why automatic guns are illegal in America when pretty much every other type of gun is legal.
If the argument is that you could do more damage with an automatic as opposed to a semi auto then it does not hold much weight. If a psychopath was going to massacre people in a public area with an automatic AK he would get have to reload more often and get less shots per person compared with a semi automatic AK.[/QUOTE]
Actually if you get a Class 3 Liscense, you're fine to buy automatic firearms.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29495325]There are pepper sprays and similar stuff that is lot less harmful and can still provide you with defensive measures even if you are weak or crippled.[/QUOTE]
Wow that's so useful when your intruder has a gun man
Shit that guy has pepper spray better not mess with him
[QUOTE=James*;29495390]I don't really get the whole gun for self defense argument but then maybe I don't live my life in a state of paranoia and fear of 'home invasion', probably because I live in a country without that many guns[/QUOTE]
Or maybe you never experienced the fear of almost dieing when you have some sort of disability that prevents you from being able to defend yourself from someone assaulting you.
Anyways I'm done with this thread. Some of you are just too stupid to argue with.
[quote=WhattheKlent]In many cases it involves only filing down a catch.[/quote]
I think this only applies if the gun fires from an open bolt.
Most guns fire from closed bolt, rendering this modification impossible. (I think. I'm no expert on this)
[QUOTE=DrBreen;29495360]So most american liberals are against guns, i always had this idea of liberals being pro guns[/QUOTE]
I am a moderate liberal and am very pro-gun. people don't [I]need[/I] a super sports car or motorcycle that can go 240 mph, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun to do that. you also don't [I]need[/I] a gun that could potentially save your life.
examples: a criminal sees a bumper sticker on your car that says "guns are bad ban them" and then the neighbor who has some redneck sticker about how he loves his guns; who do you think he's going to rob?
stupid gun control example: disarming people inside stores and other places like colleges and whatever else. decent citizen walks up to walmart, remembers to leave his self defense pistol in his car. criminal walks in with a pistol and starts shooting. well that little sign that says "no firearms allowed on the premises" really worked to save those people's lives, the only circumstance you'd be allowed to bring your gun inside is if you're a cop and that exact scenario has ended up saving a lot of innocent people.
[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;29495439]Wow that's so useful when your intruder has a gun man
Shit that guy has pepper spray better not mess with him[/QUOTE]
Except that said intrusion is much less likely to happen if we exterminate poverty.
Can we all just agree to disagree..? Some countries have guns, some don't. Can't we just all get along, and realize you can't make everywhere in the world [I]exactly[/I] like your country.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;29495417]Actually if you get a Class 3 Liscense, you're fine to buy automatic firearms.[/QUOTE]
there is no "class 3 liscense". there is a federal firearms license that allows you (among the different categories) manufacture, import or distribute weapons.
as a civilian with no FFL (federal firearms license) you are allowed to buy restricted (aka title II destructive devices) weapons including RPGs, automatic weapons, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, grenades etc if you pay a $200 tax to the govt and pass a background check.
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that's if you are actually able to afford them, there isn't a gun store on every corner of america that sells machine guns and shit like that. they are incredibly expensive, I'm talkin $10,000-$100,000+
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