ITT: Gun Control - General - Facepunch Forum

[QUOTE=Mlisen14;29499780]A katana isn't a mass produced weapon available at department stores for $100.[/QUOTE] Department stores that sell semi or fully automatic weapons for $100? Where do you live, Somalia?

Background checks for criminal records and unhealthy mental medical histories. If the person passes, they can purchase any firearm they want. Short barreled rifles and shotguns, as well as supressors should not be regulated. The short barreled weapons are no greater a danger than the full length models. Cars are mandated to have supressors from the factory. Why should it not be an option for firearms? [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mlisen14;29499780]A katana isn't a mass produced weapon available at department stores for $100.[/QUOTE] Neither are any guns. The cheapest gun I've owned was a used, beat to crap Hi Point 9mm rifle that I paid $180 for from a pawn shop. I had to wait until my background check came back okay, then I could take it home.

You can get a Russian SKS semi-auto rifle with a bayonet on the end for $130 in Canada LEGALLY if you know where to look.

[QUOTE=JohnStamosFan;29498585]You could use your computer to commit crime, like identity theft or hacking and stealing information. Everything can have a bad use. It's stupid to ban it for that reason.[/QUOTE] Guns were invented for one purpose. Your argument is shit.

[QUOTE=Big Orca;29501610]Guns were invented for one purpose. Your argument is shit.[/QUOTE] [quote]* Myth #1 "Guns are only used for killing" Compared to about 35,000 gun deaths every year, 2.5 million good Americans use guns to protect themselves, their families, and their livelihoods - there are 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun - five lives are protected per minute - and, of those 2.5 million protective uses of guns, about 1/2 million are believed to have saved lives.[2][/quote] again... And that doesn't include hunters, collectors and target shooters.

[QUOTE=Mlisen14;29499780]A katana isn't a mass produced weapon available at department stores for $100.[/QUOTE] I can buy a (cheaply made) katana for around that price at my mall. All you need to be is 18.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;29498965]Big Orca isn't calling people who don't want guns banned angsty teens. He's saying that no gun control is a bad thing, which I agree with.[/QUOTE] I never said banning guns was a good idea either. And in response to rivershark, those are [i]much[/i] harder to use than guns. Would you rather try and murder someone with a bow and arrow (after sufficient training) or just point and click with a pistol? [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Siminov;29501655]again... And that doesn't include hunters, collectors and target shooters.[/QUOTE] That's the modern usage of guns. Originally, they were made to counter archers on horseback. Again, not saying we should ban them.

Aiming with a gun is more than just point-and-pull. Aim does play a factor, and rushing/stress will throw your aim off, and you'll miss your target. It's easier to aim a gun than a bow, but you still need to aim, it's not some magical weapon you can just tell to murder people and it obeys, as it seems some people believe.

[QUOTE=Big Orca;29501610]Guns were invented for one purpose. Your argument is shit.[/QUOTE] Yeah, well getting rid of guns will do nothing. If you banned guns the only people that wouldn't have them are honest citizens. Criminals can get anything they need, as for example, drugs. And then all that is taken away is self defense.

[QUOTE=Big Orca;29501610]Guns were invented for one purpose. Your argument is shit.[/QUOTE] Guns were actually invented as firework pieces by the Chineese. Your arguement mimics the arguement of a fucking two year old. See? Easy to play the same game.

In my city, they are holding a memorial service for a cop who was killed by a speeding driver with a developmental disorder... who still passed the background check for gun ownership. I'm not saying nobody should have guns, but maybe all of these cases with retards, children, and seniles are a sign that gun control is a little [i]too[/i] loose in America.

[QUOTE=Big Orca;29501688]Would you rather try and murder someone with a bow and arrow (after sufficient training) or just point and click with a pistol?[/QUOTE] Go for the best of both worlds and use a crossbow.

[QUOTE=Big Orca;29501688]I never said banning guns was a good idea either. And in response to rivershark, those are [i]much[/i] harder to use than guns. Would you rather try and murder someone with a bow and arrow (after sufficient training) or just point and click with a pistol? [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] That's the modern usage of guns. Originally, they were made to counter archers on horseback. Again, not saying we should ban them.[/QUOTE] Point and click? Life is the new FPS game?

[QUOTE=Penguiin;29495552]there is no "class 3 liscense". there is a federal firearms license that allows you (among the different categories) manufacture, import or distribute weapons. as a civilian with no FFL (federal firearms license) you are allowed to buy restricted (aka title II destructive devices) weapons including RPGs, automatic weapons, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, grenades etc if you pay a $200 tax to the govt and pass a background check. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] that's if you are actually able to afford them, there isn't a gun store on every corner of america that sells machine guns and shit like that. they are incredibly expensive, I'm talkin $10,000-$100,000+[/QUOTE] I didn't know about the title II. Also, automatic guns [url=http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/machine-guns-class-iii/dealer-samples/p/bushmaster-xm16es-class-3-post-86-dealer-sample%2C-exc-condition-/cPath/175_697/products_id/5348]aren't always that expensive[/url] Also the way I see it, gun control in the United States is unconstitutional.

[QUOTE=DuCT;29501657]I can buy a (cheaply made) katana for around that price at my mall. All you need to be is 18.[/QUOTE] But do you think it's nearly as easy to find one nationally as it is to find a reasonably cheap gun? I'm not from America so I don't actually know how much the media blows out of proportion the ease of obtaining weapons but I assume that since Wal-Mart and Kmart can (or did, or do) stock guns and ammunition, they're not hard to come by.

I own quite a few firearms, including multiple pistols and AR-15's, along with other rifles, and I fully support stricter standards on obtaining guns. There are too many irresponsible and frankly stupid gun owners out there that give responsible gun owners a bad name. I think there should definitely be mandatory safety classes and stricter background checks/standards. One thing I do have an issue with is the ban of "scary guns" in NJ, otherwise known as the "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban"]Assault Weapons Ban[/url]". My main issue with this is only a small percentage of gun crimes are committed with "assault weapons", and all of these parameters that make a gun an assault weapon don't have many real world implications. All it does is make it harder for legit gun owners to obtain a gun. I would like to see some laws that are actually relevant to the issues we're having with gun ownership, and less arbitrary bans that have nothing to do with anything.

[QUOTE=TRA;29502351]I own quite a few firearms, including multiple pistols and AR-15's, along with other rifles, and I fully support stricter standards on obtaining guns. There are too many irresponsible and frankly stupid gun owners out there that give responsible gun owners a bad name. I think there should definitely be mandatory safety classes and stricter background checks/standards. One thing I do have an issue with is the ban of "scary guns" in NJ, otherwise known as the "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban"]Assault Weapons Ban[/url]". My main issue with this is only a small percentage of gun crimes are committed with "assault weapons", and all of these parameters that make a gun an assault weapon don't have many real world implications. All it does is make it harder for legit gun owners to obtain a gun. I would like to see some laws that are actually relevant to the issues we're having with gun ownership, and less arbitrary bans that have nothing to do with anything.[/QUOTE] Agreed.

Guns should be legal, but doing a background test, attending safety classes, and getting a permit should be mandatory. I fucking love guns, too. Liberal as fuck, but I still want to shoot stuff.

I like my local system. At age 18 you can get either a limited hunting licence(hunters permit needed) or limited sport licence(you need to be in a shooting club), that put a limit on calibre and allow only rimfire i think. At age 21 you can get the full licence. Also guns have to be registered and you need to have a holding place at home, most often a metal safe once I get enuff bux for a saiga i'm gon fetch me a hunting liscence and buy me a saiga and then gon hunt me a ferret. with slugs.

I think it depends on the country. For example, Americans are shocked by the near-total gun ban in the UK, but over here, no one fucking gives a shit. No one wants guns, no one likes guns, and even before they were banned very few people had guns. Allowing them is not a social or political issue, and the only time it's ever mentioned is when some people propose even tighter restrictions, about which, again, few people give a shit. In the US, you'd be crazy to do the same thing. People over there do indeed give quite a shit, and the right to own guns is ingrained in their culture.

I think the current way of acquiring firearms is a bit too lenient, but I think people who say that guns should be outright banned are fucking idiots. They just need to psychologically test each individual who wants to get a permit, to make sure they aren't fucking insane or really stupid.

[QUOTE=Fatman55;29501908]Yeah, well getting rid of guns will do nothing. If you [b]banned[/b] guns the only people that wouldn't have them are honest citizens. Criminals can get anything they need, as for example, drugs. And then all that is taken away is self defense.[/QUOTE] Jump to conclusions do not pass go do not collect $200

In my state, you need a permit from the Sheriff to own handguns, unless you have a concealed carry permit. You have to wait 7 days for a background check to clear if you want a handgun. If you want a long-gun you have to fill out 5 pages of paperwork and submit to a background check. and I find these perfectly sensible.

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;29503066]In my state, you need a permit from the Sheriff to own handguns, unless you have a concealed carry permit. You have to wait 7 days for a background check to clear if you want a handgun. If you want a long-gun you have to fill out 5 pages of paperwork and submit to a background check. and I find these perfectly sensible.[/QUOTE] it's a bitch to go through all that but it means only people with enough patients and intelligence to fill out a bunch of papers gets a hold of a lethal weapon

[QUOTE=Fatman55;29501908]Yeah, well getting rid of guns will do nothing. If you banned guns the only people that wouldn't have them are honest citizens. Criminals can get anything they need, as for example, drugs. And then all that is taken away is self defense.[/QUOTE] Better legalize murder too, then. The law doesn't really hold criminals back from murdering people, anyway. And if you need a gun to protect yourself, I seriously have to question why you still live in the US. If a sane person felt threathened enough to the point where he might want to carry a gun, he would get the fuck out of there. It's one of those fucked up things that Americans think is perfectly normal.

There's only one gun law I believe in. The second amendment. Gun control is a bad joke. Gun ownership isn't necessarily for self defense, it's to overthrow an unjust and oppressive government.

Only got to be 18 to get a shotgun or rifle in my area. Pistols are regulated though. You must be 21 to buy a pistol. A license is needed if you are going to carry it around out side of your house.

[QUOTE=slinkman;29502186]I didn't know about the title II. Also, automatic guns [url=http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/machine-guns-class-iii/dealer-samples/p/bushmaster-xm16es-class-3-post-86-dealer-sample%2C-exc-condition-/cPath/175_697/products_id/5348]aren't always that expensive[/url][/QUOTE]For law enforcement or government officials they aren't; they're the only ones who can buy that particular example, if you read the text. [editline]29th April 2011[/editline] The civilian one on that site costs $10k [url]http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/machine-guns-class-iii/transferable/p/alltech-ar15-a1-style-223-class-3-transferable-machine-gun-very-good-condition-/cPath/175_696/products_id/4271[/url]

Gun control in America is completely pointless since people already have guns, not because they'll find a way around it.

[QUOTE=Big Orca;29501610]Guns were invented for one purpose. Your argument is shit.[/QUOTE] cool, doesn't really address anything at all, you're just ignoring the issue. I don't give a shit what guns were invented for, and t doesn't matter. Your argument is that they should be banned because they can cause harm. When i say computers can cause harm, you get all uppity and say "WELL THEY WERE INVENTED FOR ME TO WATCH PORN AND PLAY GAMES! MY COMPROOTER WOULD NEVER HARM A SOUL!" Sweet argument...