[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983096]A lot of people say that I'm throwing my vote away, but I don't feel that way. I'd rather vote for a third party that represents me and my beliefs than for politicians who don't. After reading their party platform and looking into their party and it's views, I have to say that I agree with most, if not all of their ideas. They combine all of the good things about conservativism (guns never getting banned, not socialist healthcare, weaker federal government, requiring the government to obey the Constitution, more economic freedoms, etc.) and the best of liberalism (gay rights, no censorship, no school uniforms, locally run school boards, more personal freedoms, etc.) and none of the bad of either group. Well, that's just my $0.02, if you want read up on them yourself: [url]http://www.lp.org/platform[/url][/QUOTE]
The long and wordy post kind of ruined the joke, would have been funnier if you just kept it short and sweet with just the title.
Hey buddy, I'm a communist. I hate socialists too.
We should party.
[QUOTE=cyborgron;29025750]Hey buddy, I'm a communist. I hate socialists too.
We should party.[/QUOTE]
this post confuses me
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29025782]this post confuses me[/QUOTE]
The socialist party is... Lovey-dovey, as I'd put it.
Communism isn't an open door ideology; ie, no mexicans get our free public healthcare, no entry into a relatively equalized workforce, and citizenship won't be as easy as being born into the country.
[QUOTE=cyborgron;29025861]The socialist party is... Lovey-dovey, as I'd put it.
Communism isn't an open door ideology; ie, no mexicans get our free public healthcare, no entry into a relatively equalized workforce, and citizenship won't be as easy as being born into the country.[/QUOTE]
Communism isn't supposed to be nationalistic and xenophobic. That's supposed to be everything it's not.
[editline]7th April 2011[/editline]
The socialist/communist distinction is nothing like that at all.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29025913]Communism isn't supposed to be nationalistic and xenophobic. That's supposed to be everything it's not.
[editline]7th April 2011[/editline]
The socialist/communist distinction is nothing like that at all.[/QUOTE]
And thats why theres too many branches and we'll never win! = / My chapter's believes in Isolationism and a market economy in the global market, specifically to never become dependent on any foreign resource. Especially the world crux: energy. The US has oil, and at one time, was a major world producer of crude.
The fact that the nation could become crippled at the loss of foreign oil is, is completely unacceptable. We believe that a ridiculous amount of funds should be appropriated into every form of energy that is renewable or simply US owned and that may be sold.
Step one: Become self sustainable
Step two: ??
Step three: PROFIT! (in my own opinion, make the middle east utterly dependent on American energy, for the lulz)
You don't sound communist at all: you sound like an economic nationalist.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29026068]You don't sound communist at all: you sound like an economic nationalist.[/QUOTE]
SAME THING!
err
fuck
where do I sign up?
[editline]6th April 2011[/editline]
Oh, and I would note that, we do not give a damn about the nation debt. Its not like one day China, Japan, and England are all gunna make us pay it.
In the end, I'd (say I had the power!) make a press conference, about how, we're not paying you guys back, and thanks for your money. This is under the assumption that the US had become completely dependent, and acquired enough foreign currency stockpiles, to stare just as menacingly back at the table. Should that idea never actually happen... scratch the part where the above countries are openly mocked, and simply never pay them back.
[i]So[/i] not the same thing. There's 3 main schools of thought for the political economy.
Economic nationalism: It's the states job to secure resources, hence it is aggressive and doesn't agree with international trade and interdependence.
Neoliberalism: Essentially how the whole IPE is ran today. Corporations, etc, are important figures who have, and [i]should[/i] have a great deal of power in the flow of resources. They believe the free market works out well for everyone.
Radical views (e.g. Marxism, Feminism, Neo-Gramscianism, etc): The current system is tailored to exploit people and widen the class distinction. Generally they propose a solution along the lines of socialism/communism.
Those are basically your main choices when it comes to the international political economy.
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realized people just think I'm dumb... ):
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29026215][i]So[/i] not the same thing. There's 3 main schools of thought for the political economy.
Economic nationalism: It's the states job to secure resources, hence it is aggressive and doesn't agree with international trade and interdependence.
Neoliberalism: Essentially how the whole IPE is ran today. Corporations, etc, are important figures who have, and [i]should[/i] have a great deal of power in the flow of resources. They believe the free market works out well for everyone.
Radical views (e.g. Marxism, Feminism, Neo-Gramscianism, etc): The current system is tailored to exploit people and widen the class distinction. Generally they propose a solution along the lines of socialism/communism.
Those are basically your main choices when it comes to the international political economy.[/QUOTE]
I feel less dumb for reading your post. Thank you.
Ultimately I can only see economic nationalist states as being alienated, unhappy and fascist. The idea that it's right to be greedy and self-interested is exactly the problem at the heart of both nationalists and neoliberals.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983096]A lot of people say that I'm throwing my vote away, but I don't feel that way. I'd rather vote for a third party that represents me and my beliefs than for politicians who don't. After reading their party platform and looking into their party and it's views, I have to say that I agree with most, if not all of their ideas. They combine all of the good things about conservativism (guns never getting banned, not socialist healthcare, weaker federal government, requiring the government to obey the Constitution, more economic freedoms, etc.) and the best of liberalism (gay rights, no censorship, no school uniforms, locally run school boards, more personal freedoms, etc.) and none of the bad of either group. Well, that's just my $0.02, if you want read up on them yourself: [url]http://www.lp.org/platform[/url][/QUOTE]
Cool but why do you start everything with "so"
[QUOTE=Squeaken;28983563]As an Australian who lives under state healthcare, and has had his and loved ones lives saved by the system, at no real cost to any of us, I think it's fucking sad how some American's try and justify privatized healthcare despite the thousands who can't afford it dying simply because they don't have the cash.[/QUOTE]
Fuck are you talking about? Hospitals can't refuse you treatment just because you can't pay for it. I used to live in Poland and I loved it over there but I almost lost my left arm when I was in preschool because of the 8-hour wait, that shit would never happen here. In fact, just in September of last year I could have lost my left hand from the same kind of injury to my arm, it took less than 2 minutes from when we entered the emergency center to when I was with a doctor.
I don't get why everyone insists the grass is greener when it's clearly completely dead on the other side.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29027289]Fuck are you talking about? Hospitals can't refuse you treatment just because you can't pay for it. I used to live in Poland and I loved it over there but I almost lost my left arm when I was in preschool because of the 8-hour wait, that shit would never happen here. In fact, just in September of last year I could have lost my left hand from the same kind of injury to my arm, it took less than 2 minutes from when we entered the emergency center to when I was with a doctor.
I don't get why everyone insists the grass is greener when it's clearly completely dead on the other side.[/QUOTE]
Anecdotal evidence to the rescue!
[QUOTE=cyborgron;29026012]And thats why theres too many branches and we'll never win! = / My chapter's believes in Isolationism and a market economy in the global market, specifically to never become dependent on any foreign resource. Especially the world crux: energy. The US has oil, and at one time, was a major world producer of crude.
The fact that the nation could become crippled at the loss of foreign oil is, is completely unacceptable. We believe that a ridiculous amount of funds should be appropriated into every form of energy that is renewable or simply US owned and that may be sold.
Step one: Become self sustainable
Step two: ??
Step three: PROFIT! (in my own opinion, make the middle east utterly dependent on American energy, for the lulz)[/QUOTE]
What you are describing is pretty much the exact opposite of communism.
[editline]7th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Android phone;29027289]Fuck are you talking about? Hospitals can't refuse you treatment just because you can't pay for it. I used to live in Poland and I loved it over there but I almost lost my left arm when I was in preschool because of the 8-hour wait, that shit would never happen here. In fact, just in September of last year I could have lost my left hand from the same kind of injury to my arm, it took less than 2 minutes from when we entered the emergency center to when I was with a doctor.
I don't get why everyone insists the grass is greener when it's clearly completely dead on the other side.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying that Poland's health care might not be the best in the world?
Shocking...
[QUOTE=Android phone;29027289]Fuck are you talking about? Hospitals can't refuse you treatment just because you can't pay for it. I used to live in Poland and I loved it over there but I almost lost my left arm when I was in preschool because of the 8-hour wait, that shit would never happen here. In fact, just in September of last year I could have lost my left hand from the same kind of injury to my arm, it took less than 2 minutes from when we entered the emergency center to when I was with a doctor.
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I once broke my wrist and was also with a doctor within two minutes from entering the hospital. This is Portugal using the public healthcare option. The doctor was really funny as well.
That was the most pain I've ever been in though, when he "popped" my bones back into place.
So you see, I too can get evidence to support my side.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;29020184]I know this question was like two pages ago but it seems like a good enough question to answer by now. I am suggesting that we only provide public healthcare to people under the poverty line. This way, we can still keep an efficient, no-cost private system for the wealthy and middle class, while still providing help to those who REALLY need public healthcare. In my opinion, just as effective as a grand plan but more fiscally sound.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand your reasoning, it's like saying that we should only let poor people use roads because rich people can afford to build freeways in the sky
Healthcare can and should be a human right in any modern society
[editline]7th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Android phone;29027289]Fuck are you talking about? Hospitals can't refuse you treatment just because you can't pay for it. I used to live in Poland and I loved it over there but I almost lost my left arm when I was in preschool because of the 8-hour wait, that shit would never happen here. In fact, just in September of last year I could have lost my left hand from the same kind of injury to my arm, it took less than 2 minutes from when we entered the emergency center to when I was with a doctor.
I don't get why everyone insists the grass is greener when it's clearly completely dead on the other side.[/QUOTE]
Poland is a poor country and a bad example against universal healthcare
[QUOTE=Android phone;29027289]Fuck are you talking about? Hospitals can't refuse you treatment just because you can't pay for it. I used to live in Poland and I loved it over there but I almost lost my left arm when I was in preschool because of the 8-hour wait, that shit would never happen here. In fact, just in September of last year I could have lost my left hand from the same kind of injury to my arm, it took less than 2 minutes from when we entered the emergency center to when I was with a doctor.
I don't get why everyone insists the grass is greener when it's clearly completely dead on the other side.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck is the hoo hah with democracy
i was just in the democratic peoples republic of korea and it was a shithole, i say authoritarianism is the way
[QUOTE=Android phone;29027289]Fuck are you talking about? Hospitals can't refuse you treatment just because you can't pay for it. I used to live in Poland and I loved it over there but I almost lost my left arm when I was in preschool because of the 8-hour wait, that shit would never happen here. In fact, just in September of last year I could have lost my left hand from the same kind of injury to my arm, it took less than 2 minutes from when we entered the emergency center to when I was with a doctor.
I don't get why everyone insists the grass is greener when it's clearly completely dead on the other side.[/QUOTE]Whereas in Finland, I have never experienced such ludicrous waiting times. I think it's a problem with Poland, tbh.
A government should set a basic level of living standards that acts as a safety net for those unable to support themselves, and it should remain at that standard. Otherwise governments will end up spending vastly much more money than needed as the people in the nation continually expect higher standards of living.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29030760]Anecdotal evidence to the rescue![/QUOTE]
yeah so what if I almost lost an arm I totally shouldn't base my opinions on the medical system just on that :downs:
[QUOTE=Android phone;29040781]yeah so what if I almost lost an arm I totally shouldn't base my opinions on the medical system [b]just on that[/b] :downs:[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Wait, you are being sarcastic. Do you not see you just made a good argument against your point?
[QUOTE=torero;29041246]Exactly.
Wait, you are being sarcastic. Do you not see you just made a good argument against your point?[/QUOTE]
Why do you think "it's supposed to be X" is better than "it IS Z"
the wait isn't typically 8 hours but if you went through the same shit I did you'd change your tune too
[QUOTE=Android phone;29041558]Why do you think "it's supposed to be X" is better than "it IS Z"
the wait isn't typically 8 hours but if you went through the same shit I did you'd change your tune too[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if I were a fucking idiot.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29043289]Yeah, if I were a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE]
so only fucking idiots learn from experience?
I guess every major person in history is a fucking idiot then
[QUOTE=Android phone;29045001]so only fucking idiots learn from experience?
I guess every major person in history is a fucking idiot then[/QUOTE]
Only a fucking idiot can't differentiate between two completely different political and economic environments because they share the phrase "universal healthcare".
What you're doing isn't "learning from experience", it's foisting an experience on a situation which it doesn't apply to and then complaining when other people point it out.
[editline]8th April 2011[/editline]
see my previous "democratic people's republic of korea" example before, which you so courteously dumbed and ignored
how does my experience with a nationalized healthcare system not relate to a nationalized healthcare system
[QUOTE=Android phone;29045065]how does my experience with a nationalized healthcare system not relate to a nationalized healthcare system[/QUOTE]
Because not every nationalized healthcare system has the same quality, and there are going to be issues in a private or public system, so making the argument against UHC on "it didn't work out for me once" is just stupid.
[QUOTE=Android phone;29045065]how does my experience with a nationalized healthcare system not relate to a nationalized healthcare system[/QUOTE]
Because that national healthcare system is not up to the same standard that other healthcare systems are
therefor experiences you've had with such a substandard system do not apply to other systems
in the same way a sherman tank being blown to pieces by a stinger missile doesn't make all tanks ineffective and easily destroyed
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