I've joined the Libertarian Party... - General

[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983340]It's failed everywhere it was tried. It makes everyone pay higher taxes. It lowers the quality of healthcare. It makes longer waiting lines. It eliminates people's ability to choose their own healthcare plans and their own doctors. It means lesser healthcare for the elderly. It makes things even easier on people who don't work and skim off government. There is absolutely no desire for anyone to be a doctor. Oh and don't forget that ever since England adopted universal healthcare, patient deaths due to doctor negligence have risen nearly 80% more than they were before. This is America, if you need a surgery, you get a job and you work for a living like a normal person, don't skim off government programs that let you sit on your ass for 5 years, or wait, even more years now, since they extended unemployment. For every one person who is legitimately bad off and incapable of rational thought and/or working, there are a thousand people who abuse the system for their own personal gain and take money off of social security. Plus it's not like people don't all get healthcare when they need it, liberal propaganda has people believing that if you go into an emergency room you won't get treated simply because you're not "super rich" which is a complete and utter lie. They are required to treat you, it doesn't matter how much money you have. Why should the government decide what healthcare I get? Why should the government decide who my doctor is? It shouldn't, but that's what people want. People are getting lazy and stupid, they want the government to do everything for them, since they're too lazy to actually get off their ass and do something like they're supposed to. If anyone remembers during the 2008 election, reporters were asking random people off the street why they were voting for who they were voting for, and the number one answer for people who voted for Obama (a Democrat), was that he would "take care of them" and "pay off their debt for them" because they were too fucking stupid to pay off their own debt, in fact, they were stupid enough to get in debt to begin with by purchasing things they don't need on credit.[/QUOTE]Health in the UK is ranked 18th by the World Health Organization, the USA is [i][b]37th[/b][/i]. Lets see which countries have universal health care or at-least a big part of it in the top 20. 1 France ✓ 2 Italy ✓ 3 San Marino ✓ 4 Andorra ✓ 5 Malta ✓ 6 Singapore ✓ 7 Spain ✓ 8 Oman ✓ 9 Austria ✓ 10 Japan ✓ 11 Norway ✓ 12 Portugal ✓ 13 Monaco ✓ 14 Greece ✓ 15 Iceland ✓ 16 Luxembourg ✓ 17 Netherlands ✓ 18 United Kingdom ✓ 19 Ireland ✓ 20 Switzerland ✓ [url]http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_systems.html[/url] Failed everywhere? Nope. Lower quality healthcare? The opposite. "It makes things even easier on people who don't work and skim off government." It makes it easier for everyone else too. "Oh and don't forget that ever since England adopted universal healthcare, patient deaths due to doctor negligence have risen nearly 80% more than they were before." Since you're not forgetting do you have any source on that? That's not from the Daily Mail please. [editline]4th April 2011[/editline] statistics up in this bitch

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;28983593] " Since you're not forgetting do you have any source on that? That's not from the [b]Daily Mail[/b] please. [editline]4th April 2011[/editline] statistics up in this bitch[/QUOTE] don't be silly, it was fox news.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;28983593]Health in the UK is ranked 18th by the World Health Organization, the USA is [i][b]37th[/b][/i]. Lets see which countries have universal health care or at-least a big part of it in the top 20. 1 France ✓ 2 Italy ✓ 3 San Marino ✓ 4 Andorra ✓ 5 Malta ✓ 6 Singapore ✓ 7 Spain ✓ 8 Oman ✓ 9 Austria ✓ 10 Japan ✓ 11 Norway ✓ 12 Portugal ✓ 13 Monaco ✓ 14 Greece ✓ 15 Iceland ✓ 16 Luxembourg ✓ 17 Netherlands ✓ 18 United Kingdom ✓ 19 Ireland ✓ 20 Switzerland ✓ [url]http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_systems.html[/url] Failed everywhere? Nope. Lower quality healthcare? The opposite. "It makes things even easier on people who don't work and skim off government." It makes it easier for everyone else too. "Oh and don't forget that ever since England adopted universal healthcare, patient deaths due to doctor negligence have risen nearly 80% more than they were before." Since you're not forgetting do you have any source on that? That's not from the Daily Mail please. [editline]4th April 2011[/editline] statistics up in this bitch[/QUOTE] sorry i dont speak russian i only speak FREEDOM

My only problem with socialized healthcare was simple at first... Your in a country where they want to legalize spear hunting. Is it really bright idea too socialize something regarding healthcare? Then I thought about it in the perspective that all you would need to do is take some of the budget provided by the defense budget, and put it into the medical budget, and you would be fine. If people still want to pay for their own things let them. Thats my few outlooks on socialized healthcare.

[QUOTE=Squeaken;28983571]The fact you act like this is a good thing is worrying.[/QUOTE] maybe we're raised differently but over here in the american south where nobody has a penny to spare, we don't particularly enjoy paying for other peoples problems, and everyone who's not a criminal anyway is too proud to accept the help of others unless they'll die without it.

Nice to know

all political parties today are corrupt and have nothing at all to say about societal design, which is completely ridiculous. today's governments dont seek to advance or improve upon themselves, they only exist to perpetuate the current system. this is why i tend to ignore anything to do with modern politics.

[QUOTE=Squeaken;28983571]The fact you act like this is a good thing is worrying.[/QUOTE] Are you saying that everyone should get everything for "free"? And by free I mean forcing hard-working American paying outrageously high income tax so that people who don't work, nor have any inclination to work can benefit?

[quote]PEOPLE SHOULD WORK, POOR PEOPLE ARE JUST LAZY AND TRYING TO SCAM THE GOVERNMENT, IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY YOU DESERVE TO NOT RECEIVE SURGERY AND DIE PAINFULLY[/quote] OP is a self righteous prick with no idea of how the world actually works, and has never actually been in any real tough situation in his life before. If you were dying and couldn't afford surgery, I seriously doubt you'd keep these views.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;28983643]sorry i dont speak russian i only speak FREEDOM[/QUOTE] i agree with the op, as long as this system kills poor people thats fine by me and keeps well off white people nice n rich its fine by me!!

whats worse is these damn politicians dont have to listen to ANYTHING scientists say. many things simply arent a matter of opinion, and the fact that a bunch of old farts who know nothing about the science of anything can control my life is terrifying. is the public going to "vote for the right people"? no, media controls the public and the media is controlled by the richest companies.

[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983661]Are you saying that everyone should get everything for "free"? And by free I mean forcing hard-working American paying outrageously high income tax so that people who don't work, nor have any inclination to work can benefit?[/QUOTE] Yeah your right, your few more cents of tax isn't worth a human life, my bad.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;28983666]i agree with the op, as long as this system kills poor people thats fine by me and keeps well off white people nice n rich its fine by me!![/QUOTE] now ur talkin imo im not racist but if supporting good old tried and true americanism makes me racist i guess im racist

op is rating everyone dumb or disagree if someone has a opinion against his.

inequality is the cause for at least 95% of crime in the world today, btw. everyone thinks hitler was such a bad dude, and he was, but not nearly as bad as the systematic mass murder that goes on ever day. people starve to death in the millions because they dont have money for food. anyone who tells you theres not enough food in the world today is bullshitting you, the fact is that people just cant afford it in africa and the like, and so they die.

[QUOTE=Squeaken;28983673]Yeah your right, your few more cents of tax isn't worth a human life, my bad.[/QUOTE] As I said before, doctors HAVE to help you if you're in the emergency room bleeding to death (example). [editline]4th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=codemaster85;28983688]op is rating everyone dumb or disagree if someone has a opinion against his.[/QUOTE] Only in self-defense when a few people rated me dumb or disagree with the American way of life.

[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983699]As I said before, doctors HAVE to help you if you're in the emergency room bleeding to death (example).[/QUOTE]And they don't charge you anything after, right?

I don't get why health insurance companies charge out the ass for insurance, but don't pay for nearly anything. Oh wait, it is called greed.

[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983699]As I said before, doctors HAVE to help you if you're in the emergency room bleeding to death (example).[/QUOTE] Yeah but if you need life saving surgery and can't afford it, bad luck apparently.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;28983707]And they don't charge you anything after, right?[/QUOTE] They do. And they should. Some liberals seem to think that doctors get payed too much. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But look at the facts. They went to studied for atleast 8 years getting their degree, they've dedicated a very large part of their life to medicine and saving other people's lives, including your own. Who's to say they get payed "too much" or "too little"? They worked hard, what makes you think they haven't earned their hard earned cash? They obviously aren't getting payed "too much" because if they were, the companies simply wouldn't put up with it.

[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983699]Only in self-defense when a few people rated me dumb or disagree with the American way of life.[/QUOTE]How about you respond to my post showing that you're wrong?

[QUOTE=codemaster85;28983720]I don't get why health insurance companies charge out the ass for insurance, but don't pay for nearly anything. Oh wait, it is called greed.[/QUOTE] I don't support government required health insurance.

One thing I've always wondered is if Americans know that in the UK, we have both public and private healthcare. The public is provided to everyone in the sense of everyone has it and it's provided at a pretty decent quality as well. If you want to go one step further and get possible extra "benefits" (ie the NHS won't pay for your fake tits) then you can go private. So what's the problem?

[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983728]They do. And they should. Some liberals seem to think that doctors get payed too much. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But look at the facts. They went to studied for atleast 8 years getting their degree, they've dedicated a very large part of their life to medicine and saving other people's lives, including your own. Who's to say they get payed "too much" or "too little"? They worked hard, what makes you think they haven't earned their hard earned cash? They obviously aren't getting payed "too much" because if they were, the companies simply wouldn't put up with it.[/QUOTE]So a poor teenager who got shot because he lives in a terrible neighborhood should pay more money than he'd get in a year because Doctors work hard? How old are you and I'm guessing you're white and middleclass.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;28983751]So a poor teenager who got shot because he lives in a terrible neighborhood should pay more money than he'd get in a year because Doctors work hard? How old are you and I'm guessing you're white and middleclass.[/QUOTE] Now who's being racist?

I just DONT understand how ANYONE can be against helping other human beings in the form of healthcare. You dont have to be a socialist state to have a simple sense of decency. I can apprieciate that the U.S was built upon ultracapitalism and adopted values that basically stated that working for yourself was everything, but still. The U.S has a large Christian population and if i'm not mistaken, the lord and saviour Jesus Christ teaches us to 'love thy neighbor'. Funny how many Christians seem to completely ignore this key ideal of the new testament when theyre hit with the prospect of a tax hike. Double standards suck don't they?

OP, if you were actually in a situation where you could not afford a life saving surgery, would you still uphold these views? You seriously just sound like a spoiled self entitled brat.

[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983759]Now who's being racist?[/QUOTE] Explain how that's racist? And answer my post. Non-white peoples average income is a lot less than the average white person. People who are not middle class will have a lot less problems with health insurance than the working class.

usa should not be considered a first world country

[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983739]I don't support government required health insurance.[/QUOTE] You missed the point. Insurance companies today are outrageously high and don't pay for nearly any surgeries. Government healthcare is the solution. If you think about it, the tax on healthcare and be balanced with the enormous amount of money we pay daily to have insurance in the first place.