[QUOTE=Squeaken;28983763]OP, if you were actually in a situation where you could not afford a life saving surgery, would you still uphold these views? You seriously just sound like a spoiled self entitled brat.[/QUOTE]
I refuse to answer your question. That's equivalent to saying if someone held a gun to your head and said "I'll shoot you if you don't support communism"
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=codemaster85;28983786]You missed the point. Insurance companies today are outrageously high and don't pay for nearly any surgeries. Government healthcare is the solution. If you think about it, the tax on healthcare and be balanced with the enormous amount of money we pay daily to have insurance in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Why jump to an extremist view like government/socialist/universal healthcare immediately? Our insurance companies are really fucked up, I agree. But don't trade one extreme for another. Instead find a medium.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983788]I refuse to answer your question. That's equivalent to saying if someone held a gun to your head and said "I'll shoot you if you don't support communism"[/QUOTE]
That doesn't answer the question, and the metaphor isn't relevant and makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Squeaken;28983763]OP, if you were actually in a situation where you could not afford a life saving surgery, would you still uphold these views? You seriously just sound like a spoiled self entitled brat.[/QUOTE]
exactly what I was thinking.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983788]I cant answer your question.[/QUOTE]
Fixed it for you.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;28983765]Explain how that's racist? And answer my post.
Non-white peoples average income is a lot less than the average white person. People who are not middle class will have a lot less problems with health insurance than the working class.[/QUOTE]
Because of my beliefs you automatically assume "oh you must be white"
And to answer your question, yes, but barely middle class.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983788]I refuse to answer your question. That's equivalent to saying if someone held a gun to your head and said "I'll shoot you if you don't support communism"
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
Why jump to an extremist view like government/socialist/universal healthcare immediately? Our insurance companies are really fucked up, I agree. But don't trade one extreme for another. Instead find a medium.[/QUOTE]
ur posts are like a walrus shitting on my kitchen counter
see i can make bad analogies too
[QUOTE=Squeaken;28983800]That doesn't answer the question, and the metaphor isn't relevant and makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
Sure it does. The situations are similar. Both involve your life being in danger and both involve a rational person given the choice of giving up their own beliefs to save their own life.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983813]Because of my beliefs you automatically assume "oh you must be white"
And to answer your question, yes, but barely middle class.[/QUOTE]
You still live with your parents right?
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983788]
Why jump to an extremist view like government/socialist/universal healthcare immediately? Our insurance companies are really fucked up, I agree. But don't trade one extreme for another. Instead find a medium.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking retarded? Jesus Crist our goddamn public school is socialist, does that mean we have to go to these schools? No, if the parents have enough money they can send their kid to private school instead. It is not an extreme if a shit ton of other countries are doing it too.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983788]Why jump to an extremist view like government/socialist/universal healthcare immediately? Our insurance companies are really fucked up, I agree. But don't trade one extreme for another. Instead find a medium.[/QUOTE]
Here's a good medium for you. Keep private health insurance companies, but also bring in a government health care. Exactly like the UK and AU.
Most of the people online right now are stupid liberal British teenagers, who don't know a thing about politics, let alone American politics. Let's just wait for the Americans to all get home from work and school.
[QUOTE=esalaka;28983277]Also guns everywhere[/QUOTE]
implying that's bad
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983813]Because of my beliefs you automatically assume "oh you must be white"
And to answer your question, yes, but barely middle class.[/QUOTE]It's called being logical. Put yourself in someone elses shoes.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983788]I refuse to answer your question. That's equivalent to saying if someone held a gun to your head and said "I'll shoot you if you don't support communism"[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983788]I refuse to answer your question. That's equivalent to saying if someone held a gun to your head and said "I'll shoot you if you don't support communism"[/QUOTE]Apart from the fact that people actually die because they cannot afford life saving surgery because of the fucked up health system you support. Have you ever seen 44,800 people die from getting shot in the head because they don't support communism ever year? Because 44,800 excess deaths happen annually because of lack of insurance. [url]http://pnhp.org/excessdeaths/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf[/url]
[quote=ShivanCommander]Why jump to an extremist view like government/socialist/universal healthcare immediately? Our insurance companies are really fucked up, I agree. But don't trade one extreme for another. Instead find a medium.[/QUOTE]It's only extreme because it works extremely well.
[img]http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/wink.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Noth;28983842]Here's a good medium for you. Keep private health insurance companies, but also bring in a government health care. Exactly like the UK and AU.[/QUOTE]
Your avatar says it all.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983826]Sure it does. The situations are similar. Both involve your life being in danger and both involve a rational person given the choice of giving up their own beliefs to save their own life.[/QUOTE]
Your not giving up your beliefs to save your life, the point I'm making is you only hold these ignorant views because you've never been on the receiving end of any tragedy. If your mother was dying and couldn't afford surgery, you wouldn't tell her "YOUR POOR AND STUPID, GET A JOB"
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983843]Most of the people online right now are stupid liberal British teenagers, who don't know a thing about politics, let alone American politics. Let's just wait for the Americans to all get home from work and school.[/QUOTE]
So because people contend your views and disagree with you, you're going to wait until later where you hope you'll have someone help back you up?
Okay.
ShivanCommander master troll
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983849]Your avatar says it all.[/QUOTE]
The Liberals are right wing bro.
(THE AUSTRALIAN LIBERAL PARTY MORONS)
I would like you to move out of your house and try to have healthcare when you have to pay a car note, a house note, food, gas, water, heat, electric.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983340]It's failed everywhere it was tried.[/QUOTE]
Except, you know, Europe.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;28983848]It's called being logical. Put yourself in someone elses shoes.
Apart from the fact that people actually die because they cannot afford life saving surgery because of the fucked up health system you support. Have you ever seen 44,800 people die from getting shot in the head because they don't support communism ever year? Because 44,800 excess deaths happen annually because of lack of insurance. [url]http://pnhp.org/excessdeaths/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf[/url]
It's only extreme because it works extremely well.
[img_thumb]http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/wink.gif[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
I hate to say this, and I know that a lot of people here won't understand what I'm trying to say, so I might get a few disagrees to this, but most of those people probably brought that upon themselves.
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983849]Your avatar says it all.[/QUOTE]
Australian Liberal != American Liberal. Not even close
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia[/url]
America seems to be the only place in the world where people can be convinced to vote for the party that wants to crush them
How can anyone see libertarianism to be a good idea? Unless you're upper-middle class or higher, [b]it will fuck you over and leave you to die.[/b]
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983871]but most of those people probably brought that upon themselves.[/QUOTE]
Why? How? and what?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28984017]America seems to be the only place in the world where people can be convinced to vote for the party that wants to crush them
How can anyone see libertarianism to be a good idea? Unless you're upper-middle class or higher, [b]it will fuck you over and leave you to die.[/b][/QUOTE]
It won't do anything for you, thats the point.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28984017]America seems to be the only place in the world where people can be convinced to vote for the party that wants to crush them
How can anyone see libertarianism to be a good idea? Unless you're upper-middle class or higher, [b]it will fuck you over and leave you to die.[/b][/QUOTE]
As ShivanCommander has said, having socialized services will only increase the number of people living with cushy government benefits. Not only that, but it will take hard-earned money away from hard-working Americans in the form of Socialist taxes. It would simply never work to have a Public-Private mixed system because that would mean I have some semblance of reason and logical thought.
I brother joined the libertarian party.
When he told my mother, who is an oldschool republican, she just about disowned him.
It's all right though, my mother wants sarah palin to run for presidency in 2012 (she sincerely wants her to)
[QUOTE=ButtsexV17;28983442]Socialized healthcare, inherently, has nothing wrong with it. The problem comes in when you realise that the United States has a nasty long track record of fucking that kind of thing up.
Also: socialism has a bit of a bad stigma here after the cold war, seeing as the USSR was a socialist state.[/QUOTE]
It was also a dictatorship. What do you think fucked it up:
a)
Trying to give the rich people's money to the poor
b)
Being a dictatorship
Please chose one.
Good for you!
[QUOTE=ShivanCommander;28983871]I hate to say this, and I know that a lot of people here won't understand what I'm trying to say, so I might get a few disagrees to this, but most of those people probably brought that upon themselves.[/QUOTE]
Because every poor person did drugs, is a felon, or is just lazy.
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