it's already done ... the video is obsolete
swarm flight ... check
swarm tactic ... check
different roles ... check
(
done by subsonic and supersonic missiles since soviet union and Russia today
USAF was testing swarm drones last and this year
Israel has it from this decade too
)
facial recognize ... check
infrared sensors ... check
motion detection ... check
the bots in video are limited
there are better ways for multi-vector propulsion
same goes for speed, need different shapes
explosively formed penetration ... check
wall/window shattering explosives ... check
miniature processing systems, sensors ... check
enough strong battery to run this all ... classified
we're way closer to this not being sci-fi than most people can realize
The scary part is that they are right about what they out and out said: We do have the tech. Anybody in the world right now with enough resources and knowhow could potentially do this. You don't even need AI that is that magnificent to achieve this.
[QUOTE=Dr.HAXXXX;52901020]Why not just hang a bunch of string/wires from the ceiling and hope to tangle them?
Or butterfly net?[/QUOTE]
That's assuming you're expecting them and you constantly stay in a specific location.
[editline]18th November 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dwarden;52901637]it's already done ... the video is obsolete
swarm flight ... check
swarm tactic ... check
different roles ... check
(
done by subsonic and supersonic missiles since soviet union and Russia today
USAF was testing swarm drones last and this year
Israel has it from this decade too
)
facial recognize ... check
infrared sensors ... check
motion detection ... check
the bots in video are limited
there are better ways for multi-vector propulsion
same goes for speed, need different shapes
explosively formed penetration ... check
wall/window shattering explosives ... check
miniature processing systems, sensors ... check
enough strong battery to run this all ... classified
we're way closer to this not being sci-fi than most people can realize[/QUOTE]
Did you miss the part at the end where that is the whole point of the video? All of that exists, it just needs to be miniaturised and integrated it into one thing.
Couldn't these be countered by messing around with facial recognition?
[IMG]http://www.survivopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/makeup2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://cvdazzle.com/assets/img/feature-right.jpg[/IMG]
Cyberpunk future he we come.
Why stop there? Lets just straight up remove faces all together.
[sp] /joke [/sp]
all this video has done is make me A) very freaked out from 4:04 onwards and B) really keen for the next series of black mirror
[QUOTE=Whomobile;52901689]Couldn't these be countered by messing around with facial recognition?
Cyberpunk future he we come.[/QUOTE]
nope, already methods for analysis exist ...
you need just partial scans from various angles
thanks to various sensors like IR and radars
those days it's possible to even recognize faces under masks etc.
Okay, so this was a very scary look at a (not altogether impossible) future we might face.
And honestly it rather terrifying to think about.
But how does one prevent this kind of future. (without having to wear a ski-mask and goggles all the time)
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXNa6g6nq30&t=161s[/media]
I thought this was scary enough of a concept
:tinfoil:
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52901772]Okay, so this was a very scary look at a (not altogether impossible) future we might face.
And honestly it rather terrifying to think about.
But how does one prevent this kind of future. (without having to wear a ski-mask and goggles all the time)[/QUOTE]
Honestly, you don't. It's possible, it's relatively easy, and you don't need uranium for it. Unfortunately someone will do it whether people object or not.
good EMP pulse, microwave weapons and flak cannons with pointdefense lasers ;)
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52901772]Okay, so this was a very scary look at a (not altogether impossible) future we might face.
And honestly it rather terrifying to think about.
But how does one prevent this kind of future. (without having to wear a ski-mask and goggles all the time)[/QUOTE]
If you're worried about drones assassinating you for your political beliefs then you'd kinda live in a shithole already.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52901387]wouldn't need a gun, a ricin tipped needle could do the job just as well[/QUOTE]
That's actually presented as one of their alternative products, there's a huge eye-for-detail in this short.
[IMG]https://image.prntscr.com/image/OyLevfoyQbaw3X5ptfynMA.png[/IMG]
I mean by the time this shit gets into the hands of people who really want to do nefarious shit, we have other problems.
This is high tech that has a LOT of steps of awful between it and the current level of tech used by non-government combatants.
A couple of guys with an 81mm mortar and the right payload would kill obscene numbers of people. Blast open a roof with HE and then rain mustard gas.
Or, the ever more likely option, a bioweapon. Could kill billions with enough research behind it.
Or a grey goo scenario. Self replicating nanites that seek out carbon and use it to replicate themselves. Everything alive on planet earth is made of carbon.
This is just weird fear mongering bullshit.
Ha, jokes on you, I don't use Social media, I win.
And that went from mildly concerning to quite terrifying at the 4 minute mark.
[sp] The way Americans pronounce Edinburgh... Christ. [/SP]
[QUOTE=GHOST!!!!;52902915]Ha, jokes on you, I don't use Social media, I win.[/QUOTE]
I feel like this tech could be used regardless of a social media profile or not. Hackers could steal data from police/government databases, voting registries, corporations etc and use it to target individuals.
To me, this reminds me a lot of Hated in the Nation (S03E06 Black Mirror) where [sp]AI powered artificial bees are hacked into and used to kill celebrities or anyone trending on twitter that has #DeathTo in it. Except this video takes it a step further and that these bots are designed to kill on the basis of targeting actual criminals[/sp]
I mean we kinda laugh about this shit but to me this is insanely believable and I think we're only a few years off this becoming actual reality and there needs to be some global action to prevent AI powered weapons from ever being created
[sp]Except by the end the Bees go for anyone who used the hash tag.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;52901644]The scary part is that they are right about what they out and out said: We do have the tech. Anybody in the world right now with enough resources and knowhow could potentially do this. You don't even need AI that is that magnificent to achieve this.[/QUOTE]
Call me mongered with fear because I'm almost certain that someone [I]will[/I] do this. Just like the methods for the Halocaust did happen, and nuclear bombs were used. Maybe not a nation like Russia or America, but someone will do it, and it will be potent enough that the faction using it can only be stopped by the weapon itself.
The only bright side is that these seem like they may be incredibly expensive, but that might change in years time.
Already posted this earlier but I'd like to reiterate the fact that we're already [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/21/death-from-above-nia-csa-skynet-algorithm-drones-pakistan"]using algorithms purely based on cellphone metadata to mark people for extrajudicial execution in the Middle East[/URL].
You know, the same type of data which people tell you not to worry about because it doesn't contain the contents of your calls or messages?
The technology is already available. All they have to do is eliminate humans from the decision making process to have automated atrocities.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52905000]Already posted this earlier but I'd like to reiterate the fact that we're already [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/21/death-from-above-nia-csa-skynet-algorithm-drones-pakistan"]using algorithms purely based on cellphone metadata to mark people for extrajudicial execution in the Middle East[/URL].
You know, the same type of data which people tell you not to worry about because it doesn't contain the contents of your calls or messages?
The technology is already available. All they have to do is eliminate humans from the decision making process to have automated atrocities.[/QUOTE]
There is no "They" required. A mad billionaire could easily fund the creation of a fleet of these things and with some scripting here and there he could pull off most of the shit we see in the video.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;52905116]There is no "They" required. A mad billionaire could easily fund the creation of a fleet of these things and with some scripting here and there he could pull off most of the shit we see in the video.[/QUOTE]
Nah, computer vision is not nearly at this level at the moment. Doing that kind of piloting with no external sensors is basically impossible, especially when using tiny little drones like that.
The solution to something like this is simple: anti-drone drones
We must not allow an anti killer drone drone gap!
[QUOTE=Foogooman;52906255]The solution to something like this is simple: anti-drone drones
We must not allow an anti killer drone drone gap![/QUOTE]
But then you get anti-anti-drone drones
[QUOTE=jonu67;52906390]But then you get anti-anti-drone drones[/QUOTE]
Yes, but by the time the enemy's lead-lined drones disable your EMP-emitting drones and their actual finder-hurter drones can enter the field, you've had time to evacuate and scramble your carpet-bombing drones. The only thing you have to worry about then is hacking drones, air-to-air interceptor drones, and angry-looking men with pointed sticks.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;52906861]Yes, but by the time the enemy's lead-lined drones disable your EMP-emitting drones and their actual finder-hurter drones can enter the field, you've had time to evacuate and scramble your carpet-bombing drones. The only thing you have to worry about then is hacking drones, air-to-air interceptor drones, and angry-looking men with pointed sticks.[/QUOTE]
I love the fact that we've already reached ancap-meme levels of ridiculousness when it comes to drone defenses.
I think this short is pretty ridiculous as it is, however I agree with the sentiment of preventing/stopping the development and deployment of automated weapons.
This is footage from [B]last year's[/B] conference by NVIDIA's self driving AI team. This technology is growing fast especially since training AI is allowing progress in creating the programming required to accelerate. And this is private industry, imagine the military's research into computer vision and perception.
[media]https://youtu.be/URmxzxYlmtg[/media]
People who think it's some kind of magic instant-death gun - they said right in the briefing it's a shaped charge attack. Shaped charges are specially shaped explosives with a copper liner that forms a molten jet to pierce armor (or anything really). It's (pre?) WWII tech. I just don't know if they could theoretically be scaled down that small however due to the chemical nature of it - I don't think there's any smaller than 20-25mm HEDP rounds for some autocannons. Granted without the cartridge, the drones wouldn't have to be that much larger. Funny (or disturbing) enough - it'd be far easier and cheaper for these drones to just carry a plain ol generic 9mm bullet and have something hammer the firing pin rather than exploding itself to death.
The issue with ridiculous fear-mongering videos like this is that it assumes magic explode-y drones will be more viable, cheaper, and less trace-able than any other conventional means of terrorist attack - and that people won't already be pre-fear-mongered into carrying around blinding flashlights, bug swatters, and whatever else to defend themselves.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52901041]Isn't the one big problem with weapons technology is that it inherently advances far faster than defenses can keep up with.
So, say you develop a killbot on this scale, someone eventually develops a counter, someone would just develop a killbot that ignores that counter etc, etc.[/QUOTE]
Not really. By the time a new advancement is developed these days, it has typically already been theorized by other nations and had planning for it's defense. In the rare case that a new breakthrough technology happens - others tend to [I]flip shit[/I] about it and go crazy about what can be done to stop it. You bet your sorry behind the second we see anti-personal suicide bot swarms go live, the Russians will develop electric puffy clothes or net guns or some shit.
If you want to see some of the wacky leapfrogging in military tech, take some long looks at airplane or tank development. The Soviet heavy tank development at the end of World War II scared the allies into some [URL="http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/UK/fv4005-stage-i-ii"]comical deathray style[/URL] designs for a few years.
while you argue small ones
let's use the big ones which can hold let say 5+ kg of equipment
those can be built right now including enough powerful battery
those can bring just area explosive anywhere within own range already ...
so instead of wasting dozens of drones at too many targets it will obliterate room or crowd
that , can be built already right now , no sci-fi shorts about autonomous needed ...
one just need pre-program GPS route for the flight
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