Super Friendly Social and Love Advice v8 - Stop spamming her with texts. - General

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52672082]It sounds to me like you had a one way ticket to bangtown, but you got on the wrong flight somehow.[/QUOTE] Yeah NGL I really feel like an idiot right now. At least it makes for a pretty decent ego booster. Judging from your reactions I take it girls usually don't hit on guys that blatantly in that context? Just trying to learn something useful out of that whole story, to get an understanding of how meeting with girls during concerts, festivals and stuff works. I know that sounds autistic and my little story is already ridiculous enough on it's own, but this is something that kind of eludes my grasp. Working on myself, on my looks, social skills and confidence are all things I started doing relatively recently (~2 years, not to mention I was in a relationship for most of that time) so this stuff is still new to me.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52672210]Yeah NGL I really feel like an idiot right now. At least it makes for a pretty decent ego booster. Judging from your reactions I take it girls usually don't hit on guys that blatantly in that context? Just trying to learn something useful out of that whole story, to get an understanding of how meeting with girls during concerts, festivals and stuff works. I know that sounds autistic and my little story is already ridiculous enough on it's own, but this is something that kind of eludes my grasp. Working on myself, on my looks, social skills and confidence are all things I started doing relatively recently (~2 years, not to mention I was in a relationship for most of that time) so this stuff is still new to me.[/QUOTE] It's kind of exciting isn't it? Probably the best perk of being single is that period of improving yourself and becoming more outgoing, you discover a lot about yourself. I'm single and started a new job, went out shopping and got some new perfume, clothes, etc. Feeling a whole lot more confident than I have in ages

Well, at least that's one good thing about being unattractive, I never have to wonder if a woman was actually hitting on me, or just being polite.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;52672260]Well, at least that's one good thing about being unattractive, I never have to wonder if a woman was actually hitting on me, or just being polite.[/QUOTE] unfortunately it's always the latter

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52672232]It's kind of exciting isn't it? Probably the best perk of being single is that period of improving yourself and becoming more outgoing, you discover a lot about yourself. I'm single and started a new job, went out shopping and got some new perfume, clothes, etc. Feeling a whole lot more confident than I have in ages[/QUOTE] Well I mean yes, especially since I got out of a disfunctional relationship, it feels good and kind of weird to be "free" of all that all of a sudden. Self-improvement is great, and something I often feel proud of, it's pretty cool to see a friend I hadn't seen in a year and be told I got more "buff", or having my pal say "maybe it'll be a bit too tight" tonight when lending me his pull-over (I assume he didn't imply I'm fat lol). It's also nice to discover that I can be much more outgoing than I used to, it's something I hadn't really noticed until recently since I really used to spend most of my time with my girlfriend, perhaps to an unhealthy degree. Like, tonight I started talking to some random guy at the booth while waiting for my friend to show up, and we had some pretty interesting convos, he introduced me to his friends saying I'm a "cool guy". Well, I don't know what any of their names are and I kinda lost them halfway through the evening so the opportunity to make new friends went kinda bust, but it's still a positive experience. I was a bit worried about people generally being grumpy and unfriendly when coming back to Paris, but between that and the train girl (granted, neither are actually Parisians) I'm pleasantly surprised by both people's friendliness and my ability to be comfortable conversing with strangers. It's also cool that I feel I'm gradually improving when it comes to approaching women I'm interested in. I feel much more attractive and confident than I ever did. But sometimes remnants of my old goofball self still crop up, like tonight. I guess it's the fact it's a situation I've never been faced with before on top of the fact picking up girls while dancing is something I've never really tried, and have no clue how to do. But I suppose that's not something you can learn in books.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52672210]Yeah NGL I really feel like an idiot right now. At least it makes for a pretty decent ego booster. Judging from your reactions I take it girls usually don't hit on guys that blatantly in that context? Just trying to learn something useful out of that whole story, to get an understanding of how meeting with girls during concerts, festivals and stuff works. I know that sounds autistic and my little story is already ridiculous enough on it's own, but this is something that kind of eludes my grasp. Working on myself, on my looks, social skills and confidence are all things I started doing relatively recently (~2 years, not to mention I was in a relationship for most of that time) so this stuff is still new to me.[/QUOTE] your situation is not the worst In my highschool, there was a girl who apparently liked me since freshman year, but I didnt start noticing until senior year, when it got so obvious that even the teachers were joking about it. and while I can tell you many specific instances of me screwing up or pretending to not notice (since I was very socially inept back then and had no idea of how to handle it), I think the most noteworthy story is when we were both in the school in the evening with other classmates. I wandered off into one of the stage (which was empty then), and started playing some gentle piano music, when I heard her voice, coming alone, about to enter the room. I realize that this is practically the most perfect "romance scene" setup, that you see in the movies, with the two of us meeting alone in the circumstances. So just as she is about to enter, I take the most logical action of hiding in the stage curtains out of fear. She was confused as to what was playing the piano, and later left. These things have gone on all the way till graduation, in which we since parted ways. I still sometimes grimace at the thought of how I was back then, how many missed opportunities I had on a silver platter, but you just gotta move on.

[QUOTE=Pascall;52672193]Girls are more likely to go out on dates but their dates are more likely to be god awful, fam. Just because they're GETTING dates doesn't mean they're getting anything out of them. I know plenty of girl friends who have gone out on dates with online matchups only to realize that the guy is either gross, rude, psychotic, violent, or depressing. Like I said earlier, girls have to dig through so much garbage to find people they actually connect with. Which kind of sounds like what you're doing. Girls get to be picky just like you get to be picky. And if you're not bringing a whole lot to the table then you're gonna get passed over more often than not. You have to re-evaluate how you're coming across and if it's not in a good light, then you're gonna get avoided.[/QUOTE]If in theory on the off chance I did manage to beat the odds and get a date, I'd probably take her to nice restaurant and try to do all the gentlemen my grandmother kept talking about. Let her speak more often, see if there was anything there I could latch on to. Try to make it fun so it didn't seem like waste of time. The sad truth is that I'm just shit person and all I can do is a shit tonne of lying. If I get found out, who cares, I'll have a date by then and some girl will get a free meal.

[QUOTE=da space core;52672327]your situation is not the worst In my highschool, there was a girl who apparently liked me since freshman year, but I didnt start noticing until senior year, when it got so obvious that even the teachers were joking about it. and while I can tell you many specific instances of me screwing up or pretending to not notice (since I was very socially inept back then and had no idea of how to handle it), I think the most noteworthy story is when we were both in the school in the evening with other classmates. I wandered off into one of the stage (which was empty then), and started playing some gentle piano music, when I heard her voice, coming alone, about to enter the room. I realize that this is practically the most perfect "romance scene" setup, that you see in the movies, with the two of us meeting alone in the circumstances. So just as she is about to enter, I take the most logical action of hiding in the stage curtains out of fear. She was confused as to what was playing the piano, and later left. These things have gone on all the way till graduation, in which we since parted ways. I still sometimes grimace at the thought of how I was back then, how many missed opportunities I had on a silver platter, but you just gotta move on.[/QUOTE] Well I mean I'm not gonna dwell on it or anything, it's pretty nice that I was attractive enough for her that she kept attempting to break through my ineptitude. And if we're going to talk about highschool and being an awkward loner then you ain't got shit on me lol, I don't even feel like I'm the same person in numerous aspects. I just wanted to use this recent fuck up as an opportunity to learn is all. [editline]12th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ardosos;52672260]Well, at least that's one good thing about being unattractive, I never have to wonder if a woman was actually hitting on me, or just being polite.[/QUOTE] Don't be so quick to judge yourself, usually there's a lot of room for improvement when it comes to looks, you can probably be decent looking or outright attractive if you put in the appropriate effort. Face-wise, a good haircut that compliment your features can do wonders. If your chin isn't the manliest, a stubble or beard can compensate for it. I've had the uni warden do a double take on my student ID card because he couldn't understand why I have the picture of a 14 years old babyfaced kid with a bowl cut on it. As for your body, just find a sport you like and practice. Dressing nicely also makes a huge difference, that's something I still have to work on though so I'm probably not the best advisor on that.

I so wish I could grow a decent beard but it's just not in my genes. I get basically no hair below my jawline, and the hair I do get is scraggly and patchy. But weirdly I seem to be getting more and more chest hair as my 20s progress.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52671902]Guys, I think I dun fucked up. Just came back from a techno concert I went to with a friend. At some point while dancing some cute girl spilled some of her beer on me, she went "oh shit I'm really sorry", I replied without really thinking "it's no big deal, if you want I can hold your beer while you dance so you don't spill any more on me" - a kinda creepy offer in hindsight - she went "nah" and downed it all, "see, no beer, no problem". Half an hour later I see her a few meters away and she looks at me for five seconds with bedroom eyes. I guess I should have gone for it at this point, but I just smiled back and went back to my own business, didn't want to come across as desperate or whatever. After a while my pal proposes to go into a corner where the sound is clearer, she ends up following me there and dances a bit by my side, looking at me a few times. After a while she goes to my ear and asks "You like that?", so thinking she's just talking about the music I reply "Yeah, that's some really good bass" and then instead of following up on the conversation I didn't know what to say next and just kinda kept on dancing. At some point I guess she must have just thought I wasn't interested and left. So... How much of a retard am I? PS: I've never actually managed to end up with girls during concerts or in clubs or w/e, so I have no fucking clue how this shit works. Do you just dance on your own until someone takes interest in you and starts dancing with you? Do you have to be active and actually approach? Or is it the women who tend to approach first? Should I seek eye contact? I kinda feel like I'm missing a few pieces in my brain tbh, this shit looks like it's just natural for some of my friends and I have the impression I'm just not wired that way.[/QUOTE] I rate you a solid me-at-20 out of 10

[QUOTE=Loofiloo;52672527]I so wish I could grow a decent beard but it's just not in my genes. I get basically no hair below my jawline, and the hair I do get is scraggly and patchy. But weirdly I seem to be getting more and more chest hair as my 20s progress.[/QUOTE] I can grow a beard in a week and a half. Sounds good, yeah? Kinda not. I constantly have to trim that shit, and I've places around my chin where I just don't grow any hair, which is infuriating. There's also another downside: girls in Denmark love beards; [I]just not while dating[/I]. They prefer the guys grow it after they've gotten into a relationship with them. But since I look like a boy scout without my beard... well, stuck in a paradox.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52672998]I can grow a beard in a week and a half. Sounds good, yeah? Kinda not. I constantly have to trim that shit, and I've places around my chin where I just don't grow any hair, which is infuriating. There's also another downside: girls in Denmark love beards; [I]just not while dating[/I]. They prefer the guys grow it after they've gotten into a relationship with them. But since I look like a boy scout without my beard... well, stuck in a paradox.[/QUOTE] sounds nice. I can only grow a shitty looking mundkusse. :disgust:

I've had nightmare of a night, chatting to this nice girl on a dating app. Real fucking cute. She says "I'm nothing special" I say "I beg to differ, if it's not to forward of me you look gorgeous." Not 10 seconds later She says "Thank you that very sweet of you to say. No if course you're bit being too forward." I cringe at my fucking autistic neckband level of flirting, at this point I KNOW that a fadora wearing 4channer would have had more tack than me. I crawl into my SHAME CORNER for the night after leaving a apology. That fucking hurt looking at that chatlog. Check today however because she's sent back a couple more messages; "auto correct, meant to say you're NOT being to forward!" "have a nice day at work" Still hiding from her tho.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52673449]Still hiding from her tho.[/QUOTE] Why? She obviously wasn't put off by your comment, also what's the worst that could happen? It's not like she's a friend of yours or someone you actually know, even if you fuck up real bad it won't have any repercussions.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52673471]Why? She obviously wasn't put off by your comment, also what's the worst that could happen? It's not like she's a friend of yours or someone you actually know, even if you fuck up real bad it won't have any repercussions.[/QUOTE] Ah good point, still doesn't ease the sense of cringe I'm getting :v:

[QUOTE=Ghost_Nixon;52672104]I started convos with girls on tinder like this and noticed that they like it when you're clever about something in their pictures or profile. I just started fucking around one day and noticed that I got more replies to my jokey messages so maybe that helps.[/QUOTE] yeah having a good sense of humour and being able to make them laugh is almost always a ticket to bed with a girl if you manage to keep it up. my first girlfriend and I got together because I made her laugh, whereas another guy she was interested in at the time didn't. my second girlfriend also said that a large part of her attraction to me was being able to make her laugh. laughter makes people more relaxed so it's a good way to start things off if you can manage it.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52672341]If in theory on the off chance I did manage to beat the odds and get a date, I'd probably take her to nice restaurant and try to do all the gentlemen my grandmother kept talking about. Let her speak more often, see if there was anything there I could latch on to. Try to make it fun so it didn't seem like waste of time. The sad truth is that I'm just shit person and all I can do is a shit tonne of lying. If I get found out, who cares, I'll have a date by then and some girl will get a free meal.[/QUOTE] try not wording your messages to women on okcupid like you're writing a letter of resignation, the formality is a tad weird also, if your agitation and cynicism oozes off of you as strongly as it does on FP, you're probably scaring off a lot of people, cause aint nobody got time for hanging out with miserable people

[QUOTE=dcalde78;52673558]yeah having a good sense of humour and being able to make them laugh is almost always a ticket to bed with a girl if you manage to keep it up. my first girlfriend and I got together because I made her laugh, whereas another guy she was interested in at the time didn't. my second girlfriend also said that a large part of her attraction to me was being able to make her laugh. laughter makes people more relaxed so it's a good way to start things off if you can manage it.[/QUOTE] I think a good thing in general is evoking (positive) emotion. Talking about the weather or what you do in life is a nice way to make small talk, but it's emotionally neutral information and if that's all you offer it ends up being boring and generally unengaging. Being funny is one way to avoid that, also making appropriate compliments (preferably not just "you're pretty", something more specific than that, even better if it's not about her appearance) and having deeper conversations like what your principles or values are, something that shows you're more than just a catchphrase machine.

[QUOTE=The golden;52675045] On the extreme end of this are the people that are like "If I can't get a GF then I'll just kms" which basically means that their would-be partner now has to worry about their partners life every time they do ANYTHING. I don't think people realize it but doing this is abusive as hell. Don't center your entire goddamn life around finding a partner. It's so toxic.[/QUOTE] I always wondered about this. How do you tell your partner "you're the reason I haven't killed myself, you saved me" without it sounding like you're holding her hostage and implying that if she left you, you [I]would[/I] kill yourself? I would want her to know how much she means to me. Do I just never tell her about that part of me? Keeping something like that secret would feel like lying to her, I'm not sure I could be okay with that. I guess if it came down to being abusive or lying to her, I'd rather lie. What an awful choice to have to make though.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52672998]I can grow a beard in a week and a half. Sounds good, yeah? Kinda not. I constantly have to trim that shit, and I've places around my chin where I just don't grow any hair, which is infuriating. There's also another downside: girls in Denmark love beards; [I]just not while dating[/I]. They prefer the guys grow it after they've gotten into a relationship with them. But since I look like a boy scout without my beard... well, stuck in a paradox.[/QUOTE] Is even a three-day stubble too much for them? Cause that can still make a lot of difference.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;52675293]I always wondered about this. How do you tell your partner "you're the reason I haven't killed myself, you saved me" without it sounding like you're holding her hostage and implying that if she left you, you [I]would[/I] kill yourself? I would want her to know how much she means to me. Do I just never tell her about that part of me? Keeping something like that secret would feel like lying to her, I'm not sure I could be okay with that. I guess if it came down to being abusive or lying to her, I'd rather lie. What an awful choice to have to make though.[/QUOTE] That's something you don't really tell someone until you're several months or years into a relationship either way. It might fare better with something much more long term because if you're busting out "you make me not want to kill myself" to someone you've only been seeing for a few weeks, that's probably not kosher.

[QUOTE=The golden;52675045]So many people seek out relationships because they see them as a way of filling voids in their lives. They see them as absolution to their problems. They're really not!!! If you go into a relationship and place ALL your bets on that partner to make you happy then you are putting a absolutely massive strain on them. They are your partner - not your God of everything. You need to sort out your own problems before you can try to love another person properly because otherwise it's pretty damn selfish and damaging to both people.[/QUOTE] To add to that, on top of this being bad for the other person it's also a terrible strategy for yourself. If you rely on your SO as a crutch, you're basically putting all your eggs in one basket. If your sole source of solace is your girlfriend, and that alone suffices to make you feel better, you may think it's great, but any relationship (and particularly those where all the weight is put on one person's shoulders) eventually goes through somewhat turbulent stages where both partners have to keep their shit together. In those turbulent stages, you will no longer have your crutch because your relationship [I]is[/I] the issue that you have to solve. You'll feel just as bad as when you were single if not more, and that's not gonna be a lasting relationship. Think about this: If you're feeling miserable now, how are you gonna feel when you end up being dumped because your GF can't put up with having to support you anymore? Learn how to support yourself first, and then you can go on into a relationship ready to weather whatever issue may arise.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;52675293]I always wondered about this. How do you tell your partner "you're the reason I haven't killed myself, you saved me" without it sounding like you're holding her hostage and implying that if she left you, you [I]would[/I] kill yourself? I would want her to know how much she means to me. Do I just never tell her about that part of me? Keeping something like that secret would feel like lying to her, I'm not sure I could be okay with that. I guess if it came down to being abusive or lying to her, I'd rather lie. What an awful choice to have to make though.[/QUOTE] Honestly, why are you even thinking about this. It's not something anyone would be able to give a proper answer to, and on top of that it's a completely hypothetical situation. Also, I don't want to be down on you, but I've noticed that you seem to go into the thread every couple of weeks/months and then ask "How do I meet people" and you get roughly the same advice every time. What have you actually done to meet new people (not just girls) the last long while?

[QUOTE=loopoo;52673687]try not wording your messages to women on okcupid like you're writing a letter of resignation, the formality is a tad weird also, if your agitation and cynicism oozes off of you as strongly as it does on FP, you're probably scaring off a lot of people, cause aint nobody got time for hanging out with miserable people[/QUOTE]I assumed that coming off as formal would imply that I'm willing to put in some sort of effort here. I'll admit I put myself down a lot, but I don't do that and write cynical things in my profile or cupid message, that's just the law of the land on FP. Keep in mind I'm on a phone here, so I can't respond to each post addressing me at the same time. [editline]13th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52674866]Robochimp, ive read you posts for years, and you havent really tried to improve yourself. Going by your posts, mind you. You overthink, are quick to give up, and think that a romantic relationship is key to all of lifes problems. You have to change something. You cannot center you life on meeting someone and expect to be happy. You need your own personal goals that involve only you.[/QUOTE]I can see how you'd reach that conclusion, but my depression is down to contributing factors, lack of clearly defined career, jealousy of other people. I'll save that discussion for the depression thread. You guys keep saying I'm looking for a relationship for the wrong reasons. I don't know maybe, perhaps I'm just too embarrassed to articulate the more deep seeded reasons or perhaps I just feel compelled to find someone I feel something for. And I have changed, tried things I wouldn't normally, I've tried to better articulate my thoughts rather than expect people to understand, I've taken people's points on board instead of being 100% defensive, it's a slow grind, but I'm trying. What I'm getting from you guys is that I need to better much better person and graduate from the school of humility and social maturity before I'm allowed to pursue a relationship. I hope that's not what you guys are saying, that's what it seems like. I understand that the common attitude is don't expect anything and be on board whatever happens, but I'm not like that and that should be ok. Yes a relationship, isn't going to solve every problem, but at least I'd learn something from the experience rather than taking people's word for it.

[QUOTE=The golden;52675045]I just want to expand on both these points. Firstly: Formality very quickly goes from "looks pretty good" to "this is creepy as fuck" and there isn't much room between them. What you want to do is to be mature and respectful because you can do that while still being casual. No girl is going to want to date a robot.... I think, anyway. v:v:v Secondly: Your date is going to be able to tell VERY quickly if you are a high-maintenance person. No potential date is ever going to call back if they got the impression that they would be the one shouldering all the burdens in the relationship and fixing all the problems. More often than not this is the reason why guys don't get called back despite them claiming that they're "nice guys". It's because their politeness doesn't change the fact that they would be poor partners when considering their ongoing issues. So many people seek out relationships because they see them as a way of filling voids in their lives. They see them as absolution to their problems. They're really not!!! If you go into a relationship and place ALL your bets on that partner to make you happy then you are putting a absolutely massive strain on them. They are your partner - not your God of everything. You need to sort out your own problems before you can try to love another person properly because otherwise it's pretty damn selfish and damaging to both people. On the extreme end of this are the people that are like "If I can't get a GF then I'll just kms" which basically means that their would-be partner now has to worry about their partners life every time they do ANYTHING. I don't think people realize it but doing this is abusive as hell. Don't center your entire goddamn life around finding a partner. It's so toxic.[/QUOTE]The last thing I'd want to do is make someone else's life hell. I'd actively try to avoid trying dump my problems on someone (strangers on the net are an exception :v:). I don't go around with a template of the perfect female in my brain. Again this all experience somewhere in my future, this I all great for everyone else, so I assume that's who this post was intended for, however if you were advising me, I haven't a girl to talk me. I'm just going to apologise for being a pain in the ass and thank everyone here (except crypto) for trying to help offering their two cents.

robochimp, here's why i sound like a dick sometimes: the tone of a lot of your posts here boils down to what sounds like /r/incel-lite. there was the "at least then i won't have to deal with a bitch stealing my money", there was the implication of being entitled to date any woman who talks to you, probably some others that i'm missing. i don't feel like it's healthy for someone to pursue a relationship if that's how they view (even unintentionally) the other gender. it's not that i don't mean well, it's that i've sat here in super friendly for god knows how long bitching about how i've had crushes on girls and moping because they're going nowhere, and i finally stop moping and shut down a crush with a girl after asking her out and her saying "no sorry", hang out some more as friends and now we've been official for a couple months. point is i worked on myself and then it happened the general point i'm trying to make is you're an adult and you can make your own decisions, but you should reconsider how you paint women as a whole. think about someone you're on a date with, and then them reading posts about how you feel entitled to a relationship with any woman who gives you the time of day, or how you're expecting a woman to be a bitch that'll steal your money. i'd imagine that the date would end pretty quickly if they were to read that.

I have no friends and I'm incapable of making them how do I change this

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;52676429]robochimp, here's why i sound like a dick sometimes: the tone of a lot of your posts here boils down to what sounds like /r/incel-lite. there was the "at least then i won't have to deal with a bitch stealing my money", there was the implication of being entitled to date any woman who talks to you, probably some others that i'm missing. i don't feel like it's healthy for someone to pursue a relationship if that's how they view (even unintentionally) the other gender. it's not that i don't mean well, it's that i've sat here in super friendly for god knows how long bitching about how i've had crushes on girls and moping because they're going nowhere, and i finally stop moping and shut down a crush with a girl after asking her out and her saying "no sorry", hang out some more as friends and now we've been official for a couple months. point is i worked on myself and then it happened the general point i'm trying to make is you're an adult and you can make your own decisions, but you should reconsider how you paint women as a whole. think about someone you're on a date with, and then them reading posts about how you feel entitled to a relationship with any woman who gives you the time of day, or how you're expecting a woman to be a bitch that'll steal your money. i'd imagine that the date would end pretty quickly if they were to read that.[/QUOTE]OK, the truth is; I said that because at the time I had an infatuation with a girl who wasn't single because I saw something in her that reminded me of a part of myself that I keep hidden and so I thought if I committed to acting like an asshole, I could get rid of those feelings which I never asked for. I feel embarrassed for admitting that much. I didn't mean to imply I treat women like shit if they reject me. But acting as though I objectify women is the only way I can deal with unwanted romantic infatuations. But it did make me realise that maybe I should talk to more strangers. Anyway, my self deprecation plus miscommunication led me to getting more and more inarticulate. Every time a girl looks at me I just assume she thinks I look weird or there's someone behind me. [editline]13th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;52676474]My post(s) is indeed aimed at everyone. They're just my general thoughts on things that would be good advice for everyone - especially as someone who was on the receiving end of another person who wanted a partner just to fill a gap in their life. It messed me up bad.[/QUOTE]Understood, were they possessive or something?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52675490]Also, I don't want to be down on you, but I've noticed that you seem to go into the thread every couple of weeks/months and then ask "How do I meet people" and you get roughly the same advice every time. What have you actually done to meet new people (not just girls) the last long while?[/QUOTE] Mostly making plans to attend local events, and then chickening out at the last second. I don't know why but I just can't face the idea of going to something like that by myself, and if I go with my friends I end up just talking to them the whole time. I got some drawing classes coming up though, I'm taking those with my sister so I can't weasel out of them. I also have some promising job prospects, I mean it's better than nothing. This may not sound like much to you, but to me it's a big improvement from where I was.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52675366]Is even a three-day stubble too much for them? Cause that can still make a lot of difference.[/QUOTE] For some it's a-okay, but others will demand a clean shaved face. I mean, it's not that women here refuse to date guys with a beard. It's just that they prefer it without, because, as far as I can tell, without the beard, they can actually see exactly what you look like. That said, no way I'll get rid of my beard. I love it, and it makes me look more mature.