[QUOTE=Athena;25319071]that's one hell of a straw man[/QUOTE]
Not really, you can see the same people complaining about Australia's censorship and banning of potentially harmful to children games
[QUOTE=Athena;25319730]"There may be toxic chemicals in the things inside your home, so why bother trying to minimize it"[/QUOTE]
It's their choice. There shouldn't be a law against it.
Man, you guys are such pussies. I grew up in a home where my Nana and my Mother would smoke ALL THE TIME. However, they loved me, treated me well, gave me clothing, washed me, etc. I grew up healthy and just fine. Yes, I did find it disgusting and yes, I did hate it, but it wasn't abuse. I don't smoke and I never will smoke. If you're going to make it illegal for parents to have a little chillax time and smoke a cigarette in their own home around their own children then why not just make smoking illegal in the first place? You guys act like second hand smoke is the deadliest thing in the world for a young child to be exposed too.
Smoking in home with young children: Fine.
Blowing the smoke in a young child's face: Not Fine.
I told my parents to smoke outside, and that works fine.
[QUOTE=Goshoha;25319819]
Smoking in home with young children: Fine.
Blowing the smoke in a young child's face: Not Fine.
Drinking in home with young children: Fine.
Pouring alcohol on a young child's head: Not Fine[/QUOTE]
When I lived with my mother she would smoke indoors all the time, I am thankful that she had the highest room in the house. I always bitched at her for smoking in the kitchen and bathrooms.
To smoke in the same room as a child, or anyone, is too poison their air.
So you might as well say that blowing the smoke in their face is also fine.
The alcohol part is not good to compare with smoking.
It shouldn't be done around kids of a young age (1-8), but other then that I truly didn't mind when I was 8, and my dad was smoking like a chimney with his friends. I'm morally on the middle ground... Don't do it around incredibly young children, but it shouldn't be an issue when the kid is over the age of 8.
[QUOTE=Jallen;25319206]Suicide's fine. Murder isn't.[/QUOTE]
oh shut up you sound like a tool
[QUOTE=Stud Muffin;25319904]When I lived with my mother she would smoke indoors all the time, I am thankful that she had the highest room in the house. I always bitched at her for smoking in the kitchen and bathrooms.
To smoke in the same room as a child, or anyone, is too poison their air.
So you might as well say that blowing the smoke in their face is also fine.
The alcohol part is not good to compare with smoking.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I figured it was a bad comparison. When I went to edit it this fucking forum crashed again.
Since smoking does indeed poison the air, why is it even legal in the first place? Why is global warming such a big deal when people aren't going to take steps to ban the very drugs (cigarettes etc.) or methods that are causing it to worsen? I know global warming doesn't have to do with this debate, but it has to do with smoking.
[QUOTE=Goshoha;25319819]Man, you guys are such pussies. I grew up in a home where my Nana and my Mother would smoke ALL THE TIME. However, they loved me, treated me well, gave me clothing, washed me, etc. I grew up healthy and just fine. Yes, I did find it disgusting and yes, I did hate it, but it wasn't abuse. I don't smoke and I never will smoke. If you're going to make it illegal for parents to have a little chillax time and smoke a cigarette in their own home around their own children then why not just make smoking illegal in the first place? You guys act like second hand smoke is the deadliest thing in the world for a young child to be exposed too.
Smoking in home with young children: Fine.
Blowing the smoke in a young child's face: Not Fine.[/QUOTE]
This. I fully agree with this. Almost 60% of my family smokes, and I've never had air problems in my lifetime. Hell..... I don't even give a shit for the smell anymore. I rather smell tobacco over pot. At least the deadlier one doesn't smell up a whole damn neighborhood.
I kind of like the smell of fresh cigarette smoke. Stale smoke is gross, though.
[QUOTE=Moby-;25318488]If the house is privately owned then no, It's up to the parents to decide.
If the house is owned by the council then yeah, enforce it.
That's what I believe anyway.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, let the parents decide when their kids can legally drink and get a car.
There are some pretty bad parents out there you know.
I am not a smoker, those aren't real.
[i]Yet.[/i]
[QUOTE=Simples;25318517]Smoking when you have kids should be banned.[/QUOTE]
alcohol too
if the mom's a pothead it's fine if she smokes weed though, reduces infant mortality
fucking granny smoked always indoors and now i can't stop yawning
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;25320506]fucking granny smoked always indoors and now i can't stop yawning[/QUOTE]
I doubt there's any correlation there
No. (I'm not a smoker)
Unless the smoker is blowing smoke at the child, the possibility of any serious health risk is infinitesimal. Additionally, if it is a privately owned house, then the law would be impossible to enforce and would raise public outrage.
I smoke, my parents smoked, grandparents smoked, great grandparents smoked.
I'm fine.
My Mom smokes in the house, has a fan right by where she does though, so it all gets sucked outside, I really don't care, but if people want to, why not?
Of course not, what i do in my own house is my goddamn business. And no, i don't smoke.
Yes, if the child of a young age, as the damage caused by second hand smoke on young children is backed up by many a study.
[URL]http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2001-04/UoRM-Ssmc-2904101.php[/URL]
[URL]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080929123937.htm[/URL]
These are just two of a many, which at the moment, I can't continue searching for.
Of course, to completely avoid these risks, we always could ban smoking all together. But we all know how prohibition works.
The question just seems to boil down to whether or not smoking itself should be illegal... If the drug is legal itself, banning its use in houses with kids surely just suggests it should be classified as the same as any other illegal narcotic right?
My teacher told me a statistic that 40-60% of kids that grow up with parents who smoke in the house will grow up to have the same addiction double that of what their parents had.
I'm in the yes camp, but it should be handled properly. People should be allowed to say for example have a fag in front of the TV when the kids are in bed.
Something like this would be very hard to implement.
If people want to end their lives quicker, fine by me, I don't give a shit. But they don't need to poison me in the process.
With that said, they shouldn't be allowed to smoke inside buildings, unless they own them (or have the owners permission)
How is anyone going to get caught for this?
[QUOTE=0xach;25318571]Well it's a private household. Morally wrong? Yes. Can it be enforced? No.[/QUOTE]
It's not just morally wrong to kill your fucking kid with second-hand smoke, it's goddamn selfish.
I NEED TO INGEST HAZARDOUS SHIT INTO MY BODY 24/7 FUCK THE CONSEQUENCES AND THE VICTIMS
[QUOTE=GunsNRoses;25321492]How is anyone going to get caught for this?[/QUOTE]
Mandatory cameras installed in each house
My dad smoked for the first 13 years of my life, sometimes in our house and I turned out fine
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;25321535]It's not just morally wrong to kill your fucking kid with second-hand smoke, it's goddamn selfish.
I NEED TO INGEST HAZARDOUS SHIT INTO MY BODY 24/7 FUCK THE CONSEQUENCES AND THE VICTIMS[/QUOTE]
I can't find a single reported instance of second-hand smoke killing someone who wasn't an employee in a bar or something like that.
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