"Girls don't like shoes, guys don't like sports, any such 'wrongthink' will be labelled as sexist"
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yes
[I]actually[/I] yes
assuming those is actually sexist
Sure, they're not "sexist propaganda to uphold the patriarchy", but they [I]are[/I] sexist. Which he's obviously trying to handwave as "ultra politically correct".
"Give me anything that distinguishes a transgendered person from a [I]normal[/I] person"
Wow.
47 seconds in, his entire argument falls appart.
he says that "we all know that a transgendered she is different from a born she", if he can't get past this then hes just not going to understand this. much like explaining faith to an anthiest, this is just something a trans gendered person will always disagree with him on
Imagine you're playing an RPG game. You start out as a warrior, but you feel like a mage would be a better fit for you, after you learn the game's mechanics. The game has a feature that lets you pay a ridiculous amount of currency to swap your character class. So you go from being a warrior to a mage, and are thrown in the same level of players and are expected to be able to play a totally new class instead of the one you learned the game as. Everything you did as a warrior are still a part of your experience, you just have more insight to that class than your new one at first.
Seems simple to me, but hey, I'm just a privileged white cis-male.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49774940]Oh god I actually want to throw up from looking at the youtube comments
holy fuck[/QUOTE]
How can you even be remotely offended?
The fact that some girl there actually thinks that Caitlyn Jenner is transitioning simply transitioning as a means of avoiding vehicular manslaughter charges is so fucking dumb it's actually more hilarious than it is insulting. All those comments are. Don't let stupid people offend you.
Gender is either you have a penis or a vagina. Transgender is converting from one to the other. That's it.
The who you breed with part is anyone's own do. I like women, and I fancy dickgirls from time to time when I'm feeling adventurous.
When someone like Caitlyn Jenner attempts to convert themselves to the other gender, it's a reminder on how wrong it can go. The thought of spending thousands of euros on mutilating my body has come across, sure, but I look at myself in the mirror and remind myself that I am a good-looking guy. Can't let the potential go to waste in this life. I'll leave the female mind of me to games where I can choose to play as a female.
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49776305]Gender is either you have a penis or a vagina. Transgender is converting from one to the other. That's it.
The who you breed with part is anyone's own do. I like women, and I fancy dickgirls from time to time when I'm feeling adventurous.[/QUOTE]
Ew. Shut up, please.
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49776305]Gender is either you have a penis or a vagina. Transgender is converting from one to the other. That's it.
The who you breed with part is anyone's own do. I like women, and I fancy dickgirls from time to time when I'm feeling adventurous.[/QUOTE]
uhh
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;49776312]Ew. Shut up, please.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49776318]uhh[/QUOTE]
Rather than being angry/outraged/surprised by someone's ignorance on a subject matter that most people in the world don't care about, you could try and educate/correct them.
[QUOTE=Coffee;49776347]Rather than being angry/outraged/surprised by someone's ignorance on a subject matter that most people in the world don't care about, you could try and educate/correct them.[/QUOTE]
No, dude, you don't get it. I'm the type of girl that will explain shit to you because I don't have a stick up my ass but that was just insanely creepy.
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49776305]Gender is either you have a penis or a vagina. Transgender is converting from one to the other. That's it.[/QUOTE]
Technically speaking that's sex, but I know what you meant. And sex is a bit more complicated than that, as is transgenderism, since with transgenderism there'll be some differences between youandwhatever sex you converted to, like the fact that a transwoman can't give birth. And there's also several other factors other than penises and vaginas to determine sex, especially when you're talking about intersex people. Stuff like estrogen, testosterone, sperm, fertility, etc.
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49776305]When someone like Caitlyn Jenner attempts to convert themselves to the other gender, it's a reminder on how wrong it can go. The thought of spending thousands of euros on mutilating my body has come across, sure, but I look at myself in the mirror and remind myself that I am a good-looking guy. Can't let the potential go to waste in this life. I'll leave the female mind of me to games where I can choose to play as a female.[/QUOTE]
No offense but as far as arguments against transgenderism go this is pretty damn out there.
It's not mutilation unless your doctor is shit at his job, and it isn't about someone [I]just[/I] embracing their feminine/masculine side. Some people feel like they really are a man/woman trapped inside a woman/man's body, and just because I don't know what it feels like, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
also,sorry if I misinterpreted your post at all.
Oh god he edited it with something even more abhorrent
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49776305]Gender is either you have a penis or a vagina. Transgender is converting from one to the other. That's it. [/QUOTE]
Completely wrong. Sex is the word you're thinking of. Furthermore being transgender has far more to it then simply getting a sex change.
[quote]
The who you breed with part is anyone's own do. I like women, and I fancy dickgirls from time to time when I'm feeling adventurous.[/quote]
Uhhh.... I don't even know where to begin? First off people you call ahem "dickgirls" are women. Second off saying you'd have sex with a trans person because you're feeling adventurous has a wide array of pretty disgusting implications. Namely the fetishization of trans people.
[quote]
When someone like Caitlyn Jenner attempts to convert themselves to the other gender, it's a reminder on how wrong it can go. The thought of spending thousands of euros on mutilating my body has come across, sure, but I look at myself in the mirror and remind myself that I am a good-looking guy. Can't let the potential go to waste in this life. I'll leave the female mind of me to games where I can choose to play as a female.[/quote]
That is literally not how anything works. SRS costs thousands of dollars by its very nature, and its quite far from simple mutilation as people of your nature love to parrot. Second off mtf transgender people don't have a "male part of themselves" or whatever you call it. We are, mentally, completely female.
Theres quite a bit more thats wrong with this post but I don't even know where to begin
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49776305]Gender is either you have a penis or a vagina. Transgender is converting from one to the other. That's it.
The who you breed with part is anyone's own do. I like women, and I fancy dickgirls from time to time when I'm feeling adventurous.
When someone like Caitlyn Jenner attempts to convert themselves to the other gender, it's a reminder on how wrong it can go. The thought of spending thousands of euros on mutilating my body has come across, sure, but I look at myself in the mirror and remind myself that I am a good-looking guy. Can't let the potential go to waste in this life. I'll leave the female mind of me to games where I can choose to play as a female.[/QUOTE]
if you think of a sex change or anything regarding the transgender transition process as 'mutilation' you have fucked up and backwards views of transgenderism
The only part about going through the process (and it is quite the process) of changing your gender that I find confusing is that you have to KNOW you are removing yourself from the genepool. I'm pretty pro-choice as far as abortion goes, but a sex change or being sterilized is the ultimate abortion to me. You have given every egg or sperm in your body 0% chance, and that just seems entirely too selfish in my eyes. But, I am not attacking any one perspective, there are enough hetero people that procreate and evacuate for trans people to have the option of adopting children.
[QUOTE=Naota1248;49776489]The only part about going through the process (and it is quite the process) of changing your gender that I find confusing is that you have to KNOW you are removing yourself from the genepool. I'm pretty pro-choice as far as abortion goes, but a sex change or being sterilized is the ultimate abortion to me. You have given every egg or sperm in your body 0% chance, and that just seems entirely too selfish in my eyes. But, I am not attacking any one perspective, there are enough hetero people that procreate and evacuate for trans people to have the option of adopting children.[/QUOTE]
You know you can just freeze your sperm right
[editline]19th February 2016[/editline]
Hell my endocrinologist explicitly asked me if I wanted to put my sperm in a sperm bank before I started HRT
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;49776439]if you think of a sex change or anything regarding the transgender transition process as 'mutilation' you have fucked up and backwards views of transgenderism[/QUOTE]
Not to mention one of the signs of gender dysphoria is actual genital mutilation. Plus wouldn't keeping yourself in the same gender you were born with be like torturing yourself?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49776495]You know you can just freeze your sperm right
[editline]19th February 2016[/editline]
Hell my endocrinologist explicitly asked me if I wanted to put my sperm in a sperm bank before I started HRT[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, that works as a male, but sperm are meant to die off and be replaced every few days. Naturally, I'm inclined to think the seed that bears half of your child's chromosomes should be fresh, but I have no clever metaphor to explain why.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;49776505]Not to mention one of the signs of gender dysphoria is actual genital mutilation. Plus wouldn't keeping yourself in the same gender you were born with be like torturing yourself?[/QUOTE]
I tried killing myself three times back in high school because of how horrible everything got. Honestly if I never got any help or started HRT I would probably end up killing myself before 25.
[editline]19th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Naota1248;49776519]Well yeah, that works as a male, but sperm are meant to die off and be replaced every few days. Naturally, I'm inclined to think the seed that bears half of your child's chromosomes should be fresh, but I have no clever metaphor to explain why.[/QUOTE]
Well your feeling has no scientific basis
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49776305]Gender is either you have a penis or a vagina. Transgender is converting from one to the other. That's it.
The who you breed with part is anyone's own do. I like women, and I fancy dickgirls from time to time when I'm feeling adventurous.[/QUOTE]
please never speak about serious topics like this ever again
[QUOTE=Naota1248;49776519]Well yeah, that works as a male, but sperm are meant to die off and be replaced every few days. Naturally, I'm inclined to think the seed that bears half of your child's chromosomes should be fresh, but I have no clever metaphor to explain why.[/QUOTE]
That's why it's frozen, so they don't die off. Some still do, I think, but hey if it didn't work nobody would do it, right?
I personally opted to not freeze my sperm. There are enough children without parents in this world that I feel it would be better to adopt then to have my own.
It also just wouldn't feel right to use my sperm. I can't really explain it.
[QUOTE=SilverDragon619;49776305]Gender is either you have a penis or a vagina. Transgender is converting from one to the other. That's it.
The who you breed with part is anyone's own do. I like women, and I fancy dickgirls from time to time when I'm feeling adventurous.
When someone like Caitlyn Jenner attempts to convert themselves to the other gender, it's a reminder on how wrong it can go. The thought of spending thousands of euros on mutilating my body has come across, sure, but I look at myself in the mirror and remind myself that I am a good-looking guy. Can't let the potential go to waste in this life. I'll leave the female mind of me to games where I can choose to play as a female.[/QUOTE]
You are completely wrong and it is my duty as a biologist to educate you.
First of all, gender is what a person identifies as, it's really that simple.
Secondly, sex isn't determined by having a dong or a vagina, it's determined by sex chromosomes. Most people on this planet are the standard XX(women) or XY(Men) but like you've probably read somewhere, it's not a binary thing. There are people that are X(female but not as feminine), XXY(male but with feminine features), XXX(normal, fertile woman, but unknown how many there are since there is no way to tell if a woman is XXX unless she gets karyotyped for a different reason), XYY(male unknown what negative effects it may have but XYY males are found in higher amounts in prisons and mental asylums). So sex and gender aren't the black and white thing you've been lead to believe all these years, there are various shades of gray in the middle and probably other colors too when you start considering how other cultures consider intersex/transgender people(Look at the hijras in India or how native americans had 5 genders).
Also those aren't the only sex chromosomal abnormalities that exist. There are documented cases of people having way more X's and Y's than that but that's for geneticists to worry about
[QUOTE=Naota1248;49776160]Imagine you're playing an RPG game. You start out as a warrior, but you feel like a mage would be a better fit for you, after you learn the game's mechanics. The game has a feature that lets you pay a ridiculous amount of currency to swap your character class. So you go from being a warrior to a mage, and are thrown in the same level of players and are expected to be able to play a totally new class instead of the one you learned the game as. Everything you did as a warrior are still a part of your experience, you just have more insight to that class than your new one at first.
Seems simple to me, but hey, I'm just a privileged white cis-male.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that in game, it's a 100% class to class conversion with no traces of what class you were previously while in real life, it's only getting as close to 99% conversion and there's still signs that you used to be of another gender. The difference might be small but it's that 1% that changes everything. Just like how human and chimpanzee DNA are 98.8% the same yet we are so different.
We're gonna need a sure fire 100% method of gender conversion.
I see alot more of butthurt than reasoning here. I have never said I'm against anything. Do it, go for it, whatever. Just know that you will end up confusing someone. [sp]EDIT: Cheers to you, Dr.C[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;49776439]if you think of a sex change or anything regarding the transgender transition process as 'mutilation' you have fucked up and backwards views of transgenderism[/QUOTE]
Of course I know of hormone therapy, but it's a long process that will take you even multiple years to go through. It's not like the second you wake up from the operation table you'll be a lost member of ZZ Top turned into a young angel-faced super model. You might not be bothered by the transition yourself, but it's how society sees you. It's just a fact that you will end up creeping someone out.
Still waiting for actual stories about what made you transition from one to the other.
There is no story as to why we do it? The reason is literally the same in every case
"I was born as X but I know for a fact that I'm Y" is the only story I think you'll hear.
[editline]19th February 2016[/editline]
Also SRS don't make you look female. Thats what the hormones do. By the time you're on the operation table you'll likely look completely female.
uhh, we are giving you every reason in the book. I'm starting to think that you are flaming due to your attitude and ignorance.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49776525]I tried killing myself three times back in high school because of how horrible everything got. Honestly if I never got any help or started HRT I would probably end up killing myself before 25.
[editline]19th February 2016[/editline]
Well your feeling has no scientific basis[/QUOTE]
Hey, I'm sorry that you didn't feel like you fit in well with what life dealt you. And I do not wish to offend anyone with how I feel, I'm just giving my perspective so I can get the other side of it. I had a friend recently make some really rash decisions after he had just began his transition, and it ended up with blood spilled and a lot of fire. And I wish I could say that was a metaphor. So I am constantly seeking insight from people who have similar mindsets.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;49776534]That's why it's frozen, so they don't die off. Some still do, I think, but hey if it didn't work nobody would do it, right?[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm just saying that as your body changes so do your seeds. Logically if an egg was fertilized by one of your sperm now, as opposed to the same egg with a sperm from the you of the past, it wouldn't yield much (if any) difference. Its all just DNA code after all. But its still trippy to think about if it would make a difference.
-~gotta not be abrasive~
[QUOTE=Naota1248;49776630]Hey, I'm sorry that you didn't feel like you fit in well with what life dealt you. And I do not wish to offend anyone with how I feel, I'm just giving my perspective so I can get the other side of it. I had a friend recently make some really rash decisions after he had just began his transition, and it ended up with blood spilled and a lot of fire. And I wish I could say that was a metaphor. So I am constantly seeking insight from people who have similar mindsets.
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Oh don't take that as an accusation or anything, I didn't mean for it to come across like that if it did. I was just pointing out that there was no scientific basis for that view. I also greatly respect your quest for insight. Not many people do that.
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