• Transgenderism is Confusing [BasedVidya]
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he is not coming back, is he?
[QUOTE=Xonax;49828003]By labeling, I assumed Forumshark meant by Gender, as in "My gender is Transgender"[/QUOTE] I don't really see how. Fourm Shark's post was pretty straight forward. And stupid.
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;49828041]I don't really see how. Fourm Shark's post was pretty straight forward. And stupid.[/QUOTE] Well I don't really know what Label Transgender would be used for. I only know of Sexuality and Gender. Only reason I use the word Transgender is for when I tell people I am Transgender, it's easier to use that word than to explain the whole background.
[QUOTE=Raptors!;49828033]he is not coming back, is he?[/QUOTE] he's too busy saving face by playing street fighter.
[QUOTE=KOS-MOS;49828081]he's too busy saving face by playing street fighter.[/QUOTE] He will be back, just like the others. I hope he is otherwise I wasted my time with my earlier post.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;49827782]Why do people feel the need to label themselves as transgender[/QUOTE] why do people feel the need to label themselves as mammals
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49828098]why do people feel the need to label themselves as mammals[/QUOTE]huh We are mammals though?
[QUOTE=Xonax;49828075]Well I don't really know what Label Transgender would be used for. I only know of Sexuality and Gender. Only reason I use the word Transgender is for when I tell people I am Transgender, it's easier to use that word than to explain the whole background.[/QUOTE] If you label yourself as transgender, it's more often than not so you don't confuse people. "I'm a girl" has different connotations to "I'm a transgirl". That's pretty much why you'd use the label, just saves people thinking the wrong thing. As nice as it'd be to not have to use the label, that's just how it is.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;49828183]isn't the point of becoming transgender to actually switch genders and not create a new one? what's the point of wanting to become a girl or guy if you are going to refer to yourself as something most people consider strange in common context[/QUOTE] because some people, if you don't make it clear you aren't a "real" woman/man, will [I]fucking kill you[/I]
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;49828183]isn't the point of becoming transgender to actually switch genders and not create a new one? what's the point of wanting to become a girl or guy if you are going to refer to yourself as something most people consider strange in common context[/QUOTE] No, there's no 'point' to transgenderism. It's not a sport or something, that's like asking what the point of being gay is. It's who you are. And you are mixing sex and gender. Some people have surgery to 'switch' their sex. Sex is what junk you have, gender is more hard to explain but it's in a way how you perceive yourself. It's quite hard to explain, someone else can do it better than I can. And you don't become a girl or guy. You are a girl or guy, but your sex might not match up. That's when you are transgender, or what's usually labelled as transgender. And people consider transgenderism strange because it's different. It's a similar thing to black people before that became more socially acceptable, same for gay people. There just isn't a social movement to make transgenderism be considered more socially acceptable. That's the only real reason people consider it strange, because they don't know much about it and it's alien to them. And like i said, if you refer to yourself as transgender it's more often than not simply to save confusion. Trans people don't want to have to refer to themselves as transgender, that's a big sign that as of yet it's still necessary to say you are different so people don't get confused or offended. But since trans people don't want to cause more confusion, it's just easier. Say you sign up to a dating site, note you are looking for men, and all these men start talking to you assuming you're a lonely woman when you're actually gay. It's easier to identify as gay to save the trouble of explaining it later in the same fashion it's easier to say you're transgender to save confusing people who don't know.
Sex refers to the biological and physiological characteristics, while gender refers to behaviors, roles, expectations, and activities in society. Sex refers to male or female, while gender refers to masculine or feminine. The differences in the sexes do not vary throughout the world, but differences in gender do.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;49828183]isn't the point of becoming transgender to actually switch genders and not create a new one? what's the point of wanting to become a girl or guy if you are going to refer to yourself as something most people consider strange in common context[/QUOTE] Because a lot of the time if you don't tell someone and then they find out... [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/01/marine-guilty-transgender-filipino-killing/76597936/"]They'll fucking knock you out and drown you in a toilet[/URL] [editline]27th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=KOS-MOS;49828246]Sex refers to the biological and physiological characteristics, while gender refers to behaviors, roles, expectations, and activities in society. Sex refers to male or female, while gender refers to masculine or feminine. The differences in the sexes do not vary throughout the world, but differences in gender do.[/QUOTE] You're confusing gender as it relates to society with how it relates to individual identity.
[QUOTE=KOS-MOS;49828246]Sex refers to the biological and physiological characteristics, while gender refers to behaviors, roles, expectations, and activities in society. Sex refers to male or female, while gender refers to masculine or feminine. The differences in the sexes do not vary throughout the world, but differences in gender do.[/QUOTE] The current terminology would be 'gender roles' for what you defined as gender, and 'gender' for the sex of your brain / sex you identify as.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;49828305]What I mean is in public life, not private or sex life. like work, new friends, ect.[/QUOTE] The logic still applies.
This video is fucking confusing. After a minute my head was starting to hurt. I'm being fucking serious by the way. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BasedVidya;49827031][url]https://www.youtube.com/user/BasedVidyaTV/discussion[/url] [IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/29fcdqh.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] You're fucking shit at making good videos.
[QUOTE]Again I'm forced to ask, what defines a true blue woman?[/QUOTE]Genetics. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is a genetic defect. A genetic defect that has given men the appearance of women. I would have no problem calling them her as they are biologically similar to normal women due to their genetics. [QUOTE]No not really. What about intersex people?[/QUOTE]If the intersex person has the genetics of a man, then they are a man. If they have the genetics of a woman, then they are a woman. If their gender is different than their sex, then they are transgender. [QUOTE]Do you actually have a point here? Well yeah, people who refuse to call a transperson by their preferred pronouns are pretty bigoted. What are you even trying to prove here?[/QUOTE] The point is that gender is unfalsifiable and can plunge society into chaos. Anyone can be any gender whenever it is convenient for them. For example, if Donald Trump wins the presidency, he could announce he is a woman to become the first woman president. Now people might suggest that this would never happen, but the fact that it can happen tells me something is wrong. Maybe this would work if there was a scientific gender test and society had the balls to deny somebody's gender based on that test. With that, I would be much more inclined to accept classification by gender because the conclusion might not have such an obviously disastrous conclusion. [QUOTE]So what about people who undergo SRS then?[/QUOTE]If they look indistinguishable to the sex of their preferred gender, I'd be okay calling them by their pronouns.
You clearly have no clue how Gender Dysphoria works. [QUOTE=Dr.C;49776586]You are completely wrong and it is my duty as a biologist to educate you. First of all, gender is what a person identifies as, it's really that simple. Secondly, sex isn't determined by having a dong or a vagina, it's determined by sex chromosomes. Most people on this planet are the standard XX(women) or XY(Men) but like you've probably read somewhere, it's not a binary thing. There are people that are X(female but not as feminine), XXY(male but with feminine features), XXX(normal, fertile woman, but unknown how many there are since there is no way to tell if a woman is XXX unless she gets karyotyped for a different reason), XYY(male unknown what negative effects it may have but XYY males are found in higher amounts in prisons and mental asylums). So sex and gender aren't the black and white thing you've been lead to believe all these years, there are various shades of gray in the middle and probably other colors too when you start considering how other cultures consider intersex/transgender people(Look at the hijras in India or how native americans had 5 genders). Also those aren't the only sex chromosomal abnormalities that exist. There are documented cases of people having way more X's and Y's than that but that's for geneticists to worry about[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Penultimate;49827737]As if you're incapable of playing a video game and getting back to us whenever you want because this is the internet. But hey, since we have your attention, do you mind explaining to me what you meant by "99% of the world doesn't care about gender"? If we have laws like Title IX, if rape is a problem for everyone, is domestic violence is a problem for everyone, if there are severe problems with treatment of everyone because of their gender or gender identity, how doesn't gender matter?[/QUOTE] Because strangers do not know your gender. They don't know if you are a man or woman and they don't care. All they know is that you look like your sex is male or female. If somebody saw you and had to describe you to the police, they would use pronouns that match what sex you look like. I don't think people worry about random stranger's gender identity.
[QUOTE=BasedVidya;49828672]Because strangers do not know your gender. They don't know if you are a man or woman and they don't care. All they know is that you look like your sex is male or female. If somebody saw you and had to describe you to the police, they would use pronouns that match what sex you look like. I don't think people worry about random stranger's gender identity.[/QUOTE] I'd half consider asking you to pay us a visit in the CD/TG Chat thread but I kinda feel like that'll end up in a shit-show.
[QUOTE=Xonax;49827857]Okay Mr Vidya, lets play the guessing game (No reverse googling allowed, and if you so happen to be able to tell the difference by features alone, please tell us how) Let's play Who is the Male! (If there even is Males in this) [url]http://i.imgur.com/7CubUtt.jpg[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/PVdbcJY.jpg[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/ldTlaTB.jpg[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/JqyWLGH.jpg[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/iSjVrOm.jpg[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/ZrRjGJK.jpg[/url] I will explain my point once you pick who is the Male (assuming there is, no clue, randomly googled)[/QUOTE] Here are the pronouns I would use: 1. Her 2. Her 3. Androgynous (would wait for further evidence) 4. Androgynous (would wait for further evidence) 5. Her 6. Her This is all fine for just describing people I'm not physically familiar with. As soon as physicality becomes important (romantic interest, competition), their genitals and genetics becomes much more important. And once that box has been opened, going back to the previous pronouns is much harder.
[QUOTE=BasedVidya;49828672]Because strangers do not know your gender. They don't know if you are a man or woman and they don't care. All they know is that you look like your sex is male or female. If somebody saw you and had to describe you to the police, they would use pronouns that match what sex you look like. I don't think people worry about random stranger's gender identity.[/QUOTE] That's because the police ask for your sex, not your gender. People also make assumptions off of your gender by your additude, clothing, and actions. Like Jesus Christ, can you tell me your method of sticking your head so far up your ass? I have a friend who's an aspiring magician, and I think he would like to know about this stuff.
You have no clue what HRT is do you? You do know HRT changes a lot of your features to look like the opposite sex. So the fuck what if a Male to Female looks a bit Manly, there are Women who have Manly Features. Same with Female to Males who have Feminine Features. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BasedVidya;49828715]Here are the pronouns I would use: 1. Her 2. Her 3. Androgynous (would wait for further evidence) 4. Androgynous (would wait for further evidence) 5. Her 6. Her This is all fine for just describing people I'm not physically familiar with. As soon as physicality becomes important (romantic interest, competition), their genitals and genetics becomes much more important. And once that box has been opened, going back to the previous pronouns is much harder.[/QUOTE] So in the end it is all about the genitals? Also [url]http://i.imgur.com/ZrRjGJK.jpg[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/iSjVrOm.jpg[/url] are dudes. [url]http://i.imgur.com/ldTlaTB.jpg[/url] and [url]http://i.imgur.com/JqyWLGH.jpg[/url] are girls. [url]http://i.imgur.com/7CubUtt.jpg[/url] [url]http://i.imgur.com/PVdbcJY.jpg[/url] are girls. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] Also here is the thing, chances are you are already used to calling them by the pronouns, it's harder to use Pronouns that you haven't used when talking about a person, than it is to call them by the pronouns you have already used. So the point of my post was to find out what you cared most about, the looks or genitals. How was I going to bring Genitals into the mix? Well I was going to do a follow up post and ask about it and then reveal the two Males, I was hoping for you to use the Pronouns based off their appearance and you did, which made it go to plan. But you brought up the genitals soooo.....No reason for the post now.
[QUOTE=Xonax;49828723]So the fuck what if a Male to Female looks a bit Manly, there are Women who have Manly Features. Same with Female to Males who have Feminine Features.[/QUOTE] Not to mention, stuff like [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynecomastia"]gynecomastia[/URL] exists
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;49828721]That's because the police ask for your sex, not your gender. People also make assumptions off of your gender by your additude, clothing, and actions. Like Jesus Christ, can you tell me your method of sticking your head so far up your ass? I have a friend who's an aspiring magician, and I think he would like to know about this stuff.[/QUOTE] Even if the police didn't ask what sex the perpetrator was, you would still use pronouns. Pronouns always refer to a person's gender, right? So how do you use pronouns for a stranger? By going off what sex they appear to be. You are saying that attitudes, clothing, and actions are gendered? What a sexist thing to say. I didn't know there were so many bigots here.
[QUOTE=BasedVidya;49828763]Even if the police didn't ask what sex the perpetrator was, you would still use pronouns. Pronouns always refer to a person's gender, right? So how do you use pronouns for a stranger? By going off what sex they appear to be. You are saying that attitudes, clothing, and actions are gendered? What a sexist thing to say. I didn't know there were so many bigots here.[/QUOTE] I still don't understand why you care so much about their appearance, if a Trans person was looking more Manly/Feminine than they want to look like, they can get Surgery. Yeah people will call them by what they say, no shit, but this makes it confusing how? There are Manly looking Women in the world, Feminine looking Men too, always has been. I don't see your point, it's not limited to Trans people like you are implying. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] Also 1 person saying something sexist = everyone else is a bigot. That makes no sense and is really immature. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] OH actually, actions, attitudes and clothing are still gendered, did you know that? So technically he wasn't being sexist.
[QUOTE=BasedVidya;49828763]Even if the police didn't ask what sex the perpetrator was, you would still use pronouns. Pronouns always refer to a person's gender, right? So how do you use pronouns for a stranger? By going off what sex they appear to be.[/QUOTE] We've proven what you said in your post wrong at least 3 times already. Maybe you should stop using circular reasoning. [QUOTE=BasedVidya;49828763]You are saying that attitudes, clothing, and actions are gendered? What a sexist thing to say. I didn't know there were so many bigots here.[/QUOTE] Also the irrelevant conclusions can stop, too.
[QUOTE=Xonax;49828783]I still don't understand why you care so much about their appearance, if a Trans person was looking more Manly/Feminine than they want to look like, they can get Surgery. Yeah people will call them by what they say, no shit, but this makes it confusing how? There are Manly looking Women in the world, Feminine looking Men too, always has been. I don't see your point, it's not limited to Trans people like you are implying.[/QUOTE] Either you go by appearance or genetics or you go by what people say they are. Going by what people say they are can potentially let Donald Trump be the first woman president if he wins the presidency and then claims to be a woman. Doesn't that obviously make it wrong until we get an objective gender test to prevent stupid shit like that?
itt a bigot argues with a bunch of trans people about what being trans is
[QUOTE=BasedVidya;49828827]Either you go by appearance or genetics or you go by what people say they are. Going by what people say they are can potentially let Donald Trump be the first woman president if he wins the presidency and then claims to be a woman. Doesn't that obviously make it wrong until we get an objective gender test to prevent stupid shit like that?[/QUOTE] But there is a "Gender Test", it's called seeing a Gender Therapist who deals with this shit. Usually until something official comes out from a Gender Therapist, it's okay to be skeptical. Also it's required for a whole bunch of shit like changing legal documents to the right Gender, Name and all that jazz.
[QUOTE]We've proven what you said in your post wrong at least 3 times already. Maybe you should stop using circular reasoning.[/QUOTE] I don't see the circle. Explain the steps. [QUOTE]Also the irrelevant conclusions can stop, too.[/QUOTE] Somebody was on the debate team.
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