You’re Lying to Yourself if You Think Trump is the Answer | The Closer with Keith Olbermann - General

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51235982]"Burn in hell" Should I laugh or be shocked? I never thought too much about the severity of Trump not accepting the outcome.[/QUOTE] I think he's legit angry and not acting but I think he runs the risk of people not taking him seriously when he acts like this.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51241776]I think he's legit angry and not acting but I think he runs the risk of people not taking him seriously when he acts like this.[/QUOTE] I think it's the frustration of a political commentator watching Trump say things so audacious that they would, individually, sink any other politicians campaign but Trump is allowed to get away with it. It really cannot be understated just how much of a dreadful precedent his words are.

[QUOTE=Paincake;51240915]Well yeah and she might have an inch less of a temper than Trump, but if she's elected she will have power to appoint our next chief justice which will last hell of a lot longer than four years. [B]And given her politics and practices that scares me hell of a lot more than any chief Trump would elect lemme tell ya.[/B][/QUOTE] Gee whiz I haven't heard this gem being repeated all summer long.

People need to stop defending Trump by using false equivalences against Hillary. They're not the same and it's lazy to imply that.

The amount of mental gymnastics trump supporters go through is hilarious, then someone finally throws down an argument backed with evidence and sources. *Poof* they all vanish.

[QUOTE=Alba Meira;51227067]I support Trump on the basis that we could impeach him and have Pence as president instead.[/QUOTE] imagine being thicker than the great wall of china.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51238511][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/mJX2sJy.png[/IMG] Drop Christianity, it is irrelevant. Mike Pence could as well have been an Atheist or Jewish bigot. Bigotry is a relic of the past, irrelevant of which religion the person adheres to, it is a relic of underdeveloped, non-scientific, less educated past. If he didnt believe God created Heaven and Hell, he might have said Odin or the Great Owl or whatever. Maybe every tree has a soulpiece of the Sky-Lord. Christians are capable of following Science and Development. Mike Pence doesnt and it is on him, as a person. You cant "fix" or "deal with" Mike Pence. The types of him will slowly disappear as we progress, as we teach evolution in schools, as we teach homosexuality being normal, after generations these ideas will establish themselves, and then Christianity will still be around, but bigots wont. He is against LGBT, workers, unemployed, immigrants. You cant explain all this with Christianity. Bigotry is bigger than religion.[/QUOTE] There's also his lovely "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" which suffered so much backlash from across the states on both sides of the fence. Even Republicans were calling it discriminatory from the day it was passed. Oh, and the fact that it went though the state legislature so fast and with such ease that the mayor of Indy called it "fait accompli from the beginning". But yea, I bet Pence will be the best choice for eliminating corruption.

[QUOTE=Xavith;51242760]The amount of mental gymnastics trump supporters go through is hilarious, then someone finally throws down an argument backed with evidence and sources. *Poof* they all vanish.[/QUOTE] they just can't handle it, i'm not the best at political discussion either because there is too much at stake, and there are too many facets to a discussion most of the time, but this is what happens when you have a candidate who doesn't work with facts and evidence and relies purely on emotion to rally people up donald trump is getting these idiots out of the woodwork, and i don't think things will just die down when trump is out of the picture, and i don't see it happening that he will allow himself or others to take him out of it

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51233637]This reply demonstrates why corruption and corporate power in America will never be taken out of politics. Identity over getting things done.[/QUOTE] voting for the literal symbol of corporate corruption in America doesn't really help your case here.

The fact that these videos get such high percentage of dislikes as well as he fact that "liberal" Facepunch gave this one not 3 but 15 dumbs makes me worried about what the general population thinks of Trump.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51246165]The fact that these videos get such high percentage of dislikes as well as he fact that "liberal" Facepunch gave this one not 3 but 15 dumbs makes me worried about what the general population thinks of Trump.[/QUOTE] You're assuming all the dumbs are due to the way people feel about trump when some of them could be because people feel the video is a bit sensationalist.

I know not voting isn't the best thing to do, but honestly? I hate Trump so much, and I hate Clinton so much, and an Independent vote means absolutely nothing at this point since both of them are juggernauts that completely overwhelm the Independent; you might as well put your ballot in a shredder. With the Electoral Colleges and the Superdelegates really handling the main course of the voting, I refuse to vote for either of them and I refuse to submit to a lesser of two evils approach.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51246165]The fact that these videos get such high percentage of dislikes as well as he fact that "liberal" Facepunch gave this one not 3 but 15 dumbs makes me worried about what the general population thinks of Trump.[/QUOTE] Hold a poll and not worry about an election in another country

[QUOTE=Sally;51246265]Hold a poll and not worry about an election in another country[/QUOTE] That's like telling a passenger not to worry about whether or not their driver is too drunk. If a bunch of Arabs can increase the price of a bag of carrots that I buy I sure as hell worry about the election of one of our closest economic and military allies, not to mention I have family in the states.

[QUOTE=Sally;51246265]Hold a poll and not worry about an election in another country[/QUOTE] It's supremely arrogant to say not to worry about your election as a Canadian. It effects us. We care regardless because it effects us. You'll never have us not caring as long as you guys effect us as you do

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51246165]The fact that these videos get such high percentage of dislikes as well as he fact that "liberal" Facepunch gave this one not 3 but 15 dumbs makes me worried about what the general population thinks of Trump.[/QUOTE] re: dislikes, /pol/ and the Donald subreddit like to brigade videos as much as they like to brigade polls. Could be that re: ratings, key takeaway is that the people willing to discuss the video are overwhelmingly supportive of it, if not recognizing how over the top Olbermann can be at points. if there is one thing I've learned from being here for so many years is that if your post gets a lot of dumbs and no substantive replies, you either said something genuinely dumb or you simply made an observation that no one can readily refute. [editline]22nd October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sally;51246265]Hold a poll and not worry about an election in another country[/QUOTE] Canada and America share the longest land border in the world and have unusually tight-knit economic and defensive pacts. Were I a Canadian all it would take is one look at Trump's advocating for tariffs for me to say "fuck that" and support almost literally anyone else.

I think it is absurd to go with the notion that those are voting for Trump are actually xenophobic, racist, sexist or believe in any of the stupid comments or rhetoric he has been spewing. Just as people are holding their nose to vote for Hillary, much is the same for Trump. Demonizing the opposite policitical party is redundant and achieves nothing. If I were to vote, I would either vote for Trump or not vote at all strictly on the basis that I know that Hillary despises the constitution and plans to undermine it any chance she gets. Page King.:smug: [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Page king + ban history" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51246495]It's supremely arrogant to say not to worry about your election as a Canadian. It effects us. We care regardless because it effects us. You'll never have us not caring as long as you guys effect us as you do[/QUOTE] Same goes for Sweden, and pretty much the rest of the world. Say what you will about the tensions between Sweden and Russia, but with Trump potentially having the chance to win the election when he has ties to Putin and Russia aswell as an outspoken disinterest in NATO which would be the only military guard against a Russian invasion, it concerns us aswell.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51246199]You're assuming all the dumbs are due to the way people feel about trump when some of them could be because people feel the video is a bit sensationalist.[/QUOTE] I rated dumb specifically after he made that "your daughter line" at the end. I don't even like trump but that sensationalist statement instantly disgusted me.

[quote] Canada and America share the longest land border in the world and have unusually tight-knit economic and defensive pacts. Were I a Canadian all it would take is one look at Trump's advocating for tariffs for me to say "fuck that" and support almost literally anyone else.[/QUOTE] What tariffs have been suggested for canada? NAFTA? That hurt canadas ties with america more because that deal allowed the lowest common denominator, mexico to become the first choice for out of country manufactuting. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51246495]It's supremely arrogant to say not to worry about your election as a Canadian. It effects us. We care regardless because it effects us. You'll never have us not caring as long as you guys effect us as you do[/QUOTE] You will break yourself further then [QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51246431]That's like telling a passenger not to worry about whether or not their driver is too drunk. If a bunch of Arabs can increase the price of a bag of carrots that I buy I sure as hell worry about the election of one of our closest economic and military allies, not to mention I have family in the states.[/QUOTE] I appreciate your respect for those ties, but if you need to trust your ally and your family to make the right decisions. Your prime minister said he would work with either leader if elected. Let the one you chose lead you like the americans will do. [editline]23rd October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;51247162]Same goes for Sweden, and pretty much the rest of the world. Say what you will about the tensions between Sweden and Russia, but with Trump potentially having the chance to win the election when he has ties to Putin and Russia aswell as an outspoken disinterest in NATO which would be the only military guard against a Russian invasion, it concerns us aswell.[/QUOTE] He has no ties with putin, he respects putin. He will not spark this russian war you imply

[QUOTE=Sally;51247263]What tariffs have been suggested for canada? NAFTA? That hurt canadas ties with america more because that deal allowed the lowest common denominator, mexico to become the first choice for out of country manufactuting. You will break yourself further then I appreciate your respect for those ties, but if you need to trust your ally and your family to make the right decisions. Your prime minister said he would work with either leader if elected. Let the one you chose lead you like the americans will do.[/QUOTE] "Just trust them to make the right decision" is so absurdly naive. They have every right to be concerned about who we elect. Just because their prime minister said he's willing to work with whomever is elected doesn't mean everything will be roses and sunshine considering Trump seems wholly unwilling to actually work with most people unless it explicitly benefits the US first and foremost.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51247269]"Just trust them to make the right decision" is so absurdly naive. They have every right to be concerned about who we elect. Just because their prime minister said he's willing to work with whomever is elected doesn't mean everything will be roses and sunshine considering[/QUOTE] I agree with this completely, but at this point all they can do now is trust. They cannot vote. [quote]Trump seems wholly unwilling to actually work with most people unless it explicitly benefits the US first and foremost[/quote] Isnt that his job? If putin is there for his people, shouldnt trump be there for his people?

[QUOTE=Sally;51247286]I agree with this completely, but at this point all they can do now is trust. They cannot vote. [/QUOTE] I don't trust, I just hope. At least Trump only has like a 15% chance of winning. [QUOTE=Sally;51247286]Isnt that his job? If putin is there for his people, shouldnt trump be there for his people?[/QUOTE] Putin doesn't give a shit about his people.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51247297]I don't trust, I just hope. At least Trump only has like a 15% chance of winning. [/quote] Yes if you believe this then you shouldnt have anything to worry about this election. [quote]Putin doesn't give a shit about his people.[/QUOTE] This is not true. His actions disprove this

[QUOTE=Sally;51247263]What tariffs have been suggested for canada? NAFTA? That hurt canadas ties with america more because that deal allowed the lowest common denominator, mexico to become the first choice for out of country manufactuting. You will break yourself further then I appreciate your respect for those ties, but if you need to trust your ally and your family to make the right decisions. Your prime minister said he would work with either leader if elected. Let the one you chose lead you like the americans will do. [editline]23rd October 2016[/editline] He has no ties with putin, he respects putin. He will not spark this russian war you imply[/QUOTE] Trump has suggest tariffs for everyone. No ones breaking themselves. You should probably stop trying to project so much. No ones trying to stop an election, to stop anyone from chosing who they want to, so why are you implying they are? Is it insecurity at the concept of discussion? Other people will discuss it. It's a matter of global interest. You guys have made plenty of wrong decisions in the past, are currently making them, you have a very strange way of basically saying "what is this? Conversation? Stop that!" To claim he has no ties is not true. He probably won't spark a war. Neither will Hilary mind you, but, I imagine Trump will get absolutely walked over by Putin. Not a war, walked over, diplomatically, strategically, in every way.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51247322] No ones breaking themselves. You should probably stop trying to project so much. [/quote] ok

[QUOTE=Sally;51247286]Isnt that his job? If putin is there for his people, shouldnt trump be there for his people?[/QUOTE] You can do what's best for your people without fucking over your partner. It's the difference between coming to a mutually beneficial agreement and just saying "fuck you this is only going my way". It's like trying to argue it's ok for a parent to steal food from a grocery when they are perfectly capable of buying it because paying less for food is good for their family. Seriously, saying "why can't he do what's best for his country" is such a fucking disingenuous way of responding if pisses me off to no end every single goddamn time someone replies with it. It's the equivalent of responding with "but don't you want to protect the children?".

[QUOTE=Sally;51247263]He has no ties with putin, he respects putin. He will not spark this russian war you imply[/QUOTE] I do not think he will, but apart from obviously looking up to Putin... respecting him... which is bad enough? I heard that part of his money was being held in russian territory? Now I sound like a fucking dumbass. Apart from that, his obvious diplomatic "respect" for putin and his disrespect for nato is enough to worry about though. [editline]23rd October 2016[/editline] You don't have to look like you're about to start a war if you get elected to be a concerning candidate.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51247336]I do not think he will, but apart from obviously looking up to Putin... respecting him... which is bad enough?[/quote] Why? [quote]His disrespect for nato is enough to worry about though.[/quote] He doesnt like bad deals. [quote] You don't have to look like you're about to start a war if you get elected to be a concerning candidate.[/QUOTE] Are you talking about hillary? [QUOTE=Anderan;51247335]You can do what's best for your people without fucking over your partner. It's the difference between coming to a mutually beneficial agreement and just saying "fuck you this is only going .[/QUOTE] Yeah its Game theory

[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51247099]I think it is absurd to go with the notion that those are voting for Trump are actually xenophobic, racist, sexist or believe in any of the stupid comments or rhetoric he has been spewing. Just as people are holding their nose to vote for Hillary, much is the same for Trump. Demonizing the opposite policitical party is redundant and achieves nothing. If I were to vote, I would either vote for Trump or not vote at all strictly on the basis that I know that Hillary despises the constitution and plans to undermine it any chance she gets. Page King.:smug:[/QUOTE] If I was given the option to vote, I would vote for neither of the two. But this smug attitute from you and other Trumpodites, is actively pushing me towards Hilary. Congrats.