Gary Younge interviews Richard Spencer for Channel 4 News - General

[QUOTE=Tudd;52870997]I appreciate that you help lay it out and understand my position. What I am stating should be obvious, but it doesn't seem to be here. I can somewhat agree with your sentiment on the video, but I think that is the ideal outcome you would hope from an audience member. In my opinion, it largely depends on how many actual fence-sitters there are with Spencer and if they watch this video. [editline]8th November 2017[/editline] Please refer to Sil if you seem to have a hard time understanding my point.[/QUOTE] So you just default to Spencer being a more effective communicator and people being more likely to side with him, despite every word coming out of his mouth not actually stating anything of empircal value and you say you aren't in support of this guy? Sure, and double think is actually a real thing now it seems.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52871107]So you just default to Spencer being a more effective communicator and people being more likely to side with him, despite every word coming out of his mouth not actually stating anything of empircal value and you say you aren't in support of this guy? Sure, and double think is actually a real thing now it seems.[/QUOTE] How do you imply any of that with what I said? The default is not in Richard Spencer's favor at all (It is Younge), but I don't know how one of these fence-sitters would think, nor anyone else on here since they are a rare breed. I just don't think this short clip will settle a theoretical fence-sitter's mind is all.

Not to overshadow the videos content but I hope im not the only one that gets annoyed at this "travelling across white america" shit. If I was to tell someone im "going for a holiday in black Africa" or "yellow china" that probably wouldn't go over well?

[QUOTE=Tudd;52869699]I think you are conflating terms now. I am not a fence sitter at all. I have opposed people like Richard Spencer far more than most people through my studies on the Holocaust and having worked at a Holocaust Museum myself. In no point am I 'Fence-sitting" which implies I would accept Spencer's view if he would only convince me. What I am doing is point out how objectively this interview accomplished very little and racists on his side will still tout it as a victory since their optics are already so biased towards him. As for actual fence-sitters that might exist, I really don't know if this video does much for them on either side. I hope it pushes them to Younge, but being a fence-sitter on a topic like slavery is hard to imagine in 2017, which is why I credit Younge for going to that topic atleast.[/QUOTE] Being the janitor at a holocaust exhibit at the museum doesn't make you an expert on tolerance, especially since you repeatedly ignore facts.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;52870002]I'm genuinely curious as to what the state of Africa would have been like had slavery not been such a prevalent issue, especially when you compare ancient civilizations like the Egyptians to the Greeks or Romans. If they were left to their own devices, or able to just share knowledge with the rest of the developed world much like we do at this point in time, I'm sure they'd have a true superpower of their own by now. Nigeria is on track to becoming the African equivalent of India, but there's obviously a clear distinction between countries like India, China, South Korea, and the US as examples.[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9P_-eC76lk[/media]

Spencer reminds me of Patrick Bateman. There's something completely amoral and emotionally detached about him.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52871128]I don't know how one of these fence-sitters would think,[/QUOTE] so wait, your argument so far in this thread has been that people should imagine how the racists would think about this exchange, imagine how they would look at it and feel about it, which is apparently super easy for you to do, but the idea of imagining what a fence-sitter would think is completely impossible? :thinking:

[QUOTE=Tudd;52870997]What I am stating should be obvious, but it doesn't seem to be here.[/QUOTE] You're not understanding why you're being constantly attacked here mate. I've made clear your position to other people in this thread and now I'm going to make clear their position to you. The premise from which everyone who's against you in this thread (getting angry at you, calling you racist, etc) is starting is: "It's [U]obvious[/U] this will not change Spencer's mind or his supporters mind. It's also obvious that it will have no effect on people who already hate him. The only people who could change their mind about Spencer are the people who aren't sure about him and they nope the fuck out after they see him make a barrage of indefensible statements. Also this clearly isn't a debate." Then you come in and go "shitty level of debate, it's not going to do change Spencer's mind or his supporters mind, they shouldn't be showing him instead". You are criticizing the video for not fulfilling the purpose it never had. That is why people are looking for hidden motives behind your negative opinion on this. You are attacking the video for not being very effective at something it's [U]obviously[/U] not meant to do. It looks suspicious. [QUOTE=Tudd;52870997]I can somewhat agree with your sentiment on the video, but I think that is the ideal outcome you would hope from an audience member. In my opinion, it largely depends on how many actual fence-sitters there are with Spencer and if they watch this video.[/QUOTE] We've got plenty of threads of far-left people doing stupid shit. You yourself post some of those videos/news. And you know there's enough of that crap happening to piss people off. If someone is getting angry at those and wants to find some likeminded people who are shitting on these kind of events, who is going be the loudest about it and the most likely one to find? Not a reasonable person who calmly explains his opinion on it and who uses facts to back up his claims. It's gonna be angry youtubers who insert their unproven narratives like the great white replacement or whatever. If you stay and watch too much of it, you might gradually buy into it. But if at the beginning you will see where those people might lead you, read: see the insanity of Spencer, you might grow a bit of skepticism about these people.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52869699]I have opposed people like Richard Spencer far more than most people through my studies on the Holocaust and having worked at a Holocaust Museum myself.[/QUOTE] I'm getting sick of your backpedaling, could you back up this statement about you opposing racists? Judging from all the posts I've seen from you on this forum, I find it really hard to believe.