I'm not sure if I should convert from vegetarianism or not. - General

He is saying that it's disgusting (poor choice of words) that his parents are enforcing their own beliefs of only eating vegetables on him and that he should be more individualistic. If not then that's what I believe. Try eating some meat, if you don't like it then this thread is of no use anymore.

[QUOTE=MightyMax;36403368]you shouldn't be strictly one or the other. Look at your body, you were designed to eat both, simple as that.[/QUOTE] You were also designed to eat a shitload of sugar and gorge yourself when possible. You were designed to retain fat. Nature is a dick, do what is healthy, not what your body is designed to do.

Don't do things just because of your mom. Trust me, you do not want her rule your life.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;36400196]Listen to music while you exercise, it gives a ton of motivation to me atleast.[/QUOTE] Especially listening to the National Anthem, that really gets me going! ...anyway, do whatever you want. It's your body, you should control what goes into it. If you only want to eat injection moulded plastic, do that. Just be aware of any consequences that go with it, and don't preach to other people about how great your ideas are and you're a-ok! I've lost a bit of weight recently. I constantly drink water throughout the day and stick to clear mealtimes. Whenever I feel the urge to snack, I drink more water. Sure piss a lot, but it keeps your appetite down (for the most part) and I get a healthy amount of water on board as well. I also go on runs once in a blue moon, but that usually leads to suicidal thoughts approximately 5 minutes in. Life eh?

[QUOTE=sp00ks;36403361]Fuck off. Your parents are free to follow whatever crazy diet they want, but it's quite selfish to raise your kid like that. Let them make their own choices. If you want to lose weight, eat less carbs (bread, rice, pasta etc.) and more protein and vegetables. Eating (lean) meat is going to help you get the protein you need to avoid losing muscle mass while losing weight (you also have to work out).[/QUOTE] Well that's just rude. According to your faltered logic, it's selfish to not let a child kill itself, as it's the child's decision. My parents didn't force me to become vegetarian, I was just raised around my mum being a vegetarian, and her buying vegetarian food. And honestly, don't tell someone to fuck off, then try and give advice. It's just childish. Now with the exception of that terrible post, thank you all so much for the advice.

Saying "watch your tongue" to someone on the internet is pretty childish/dumb, that is why he told you to fuck off as far as I can see. As for your dietary alignment, disappointing your parents shouldn't factor into any of your decisions unless they might harm you or them some way. Do what you want to do. And motivation for exercise, personally watching parkour reels and training videos always works a treat to motivate me. Wish I had more time and less work to do, but when summer comes I always make an effort to boost my physique and fitness. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67oSCD_Sybk[/media]

Look man, Human were made to hunt animals to eat, so you must hunt a chicken at a grecery store and eat it!

As said above, if you ever plan to eat meat, start small and slow. You jump into eating meat, you will regret it.

Try some meat. If it tastes good eat it. If it doesn't taste good don't eat it. It isn't rocket science. Follow your taste buds and don't overdo it if you find it delicious.

[QUOTE=C:\;36426435]Well that's just rude. According to your faltered logic, it's selfish to not let a child kill itself, as it's the child's decision. My parents didn't force me to become vegetarian, I was just raised around my mum being a vegetarian, and her buying vegetarian food. And honestly, don't tell someone to fuck off, then try and give advice. It's just childish. Now with the exception of that terrible post, thank you all so much for the advice.[/QUOTE] kill u'reself. great analogy by the way. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

This sure turned out to be a great thread.

I was Vegetarian for roughly 2 and a half years and started eating meat again back in September. I stopped eating meat when I was 16 because I personally did not see the necessity in it, that it wasn't worth ending the life of something if I don't actually have to eat to live. I started eating meat again because I became more at peace with the idea of death. Plus I felt as though I may not have been getting enough nutrition and that I was denying myself food that I really enjoyed which may not have been helping with my Depression. If you want to start eating meat then that's your decision, you are your own person and do not have to follow in any footsteps of your Parents. If you're afraid of hurting your Mum's feelings, but you're so interested in trying Meat then I guess there's no harm in trying it and not telling her. If you don't like it and want to carry on being Vegetarian then It's a Win-Win situation, but if you do like it then I guess you could go on hiding it away from your Mum, or just tell her. If she's disappointed then that's not your fault, that's her own problem that she'll have to deal with. Most, if not all of us Humans have a compulsive desire to explore, so if there's Meat around everywhere and you haven't tried it, then It's perfectly reasonable that you [B][I]would[/I][/B] want to try it. If your Mum is a reasonable person then she should understand that, and if she doesn't, then no disrespect to her, but she is not a reasonable person in my opinion. [QUOTE=afonsus;36428773]Look man, Human were made to hunt animals to eat, so you must hunt a chicken at a grecery store and eat it![/QUOTE] Well there's that view, but in my opinion Human's are not limited to whatever they're "supposed to do". We are intelligent and have Logic and Reason, we can rationalise with whatever diet we want for whatever reason. Humans weren't "meant" to fly, but we do it!

Whether or not you should deconvert from vegetarianism, and how you should change your diet to become healthier, are two separate questions. You can become healthier with or without meat.

[QUOTE=J AC1D;36430158]I was Vegetarian for roughly 2 and a half years and started eating meat again back in September. I stopped eating meat when I was 16 because I personally did not see the necessity in it, that it wasn't worth ending the life of something if I don't actually have to eat to live. I started eating meat again because I became more at peace with the idea of death. Plus I felt as though I may not have been getting enough nutrition and that I was denying myself food that I really enjoyed which may not have been helping with my Depression. If you want to start eating meat then that's your decision, you are your own person and do not have to follow in any footsteps of your Parents. If you're afraid of hurting your Mum's feelings, but you're so interested in trying Meat then I guess there's no harm in trying it and not telling her. If you don't like it and want to carry on being Vegetarian then It's a Win-Win situation, but if you do like it then I guess you could go on hiding it away from your Mum, or just tell her. If she's disappointed then that's not your fault, that's her own problem that she'll have to deal with. Most, if not all of us Humans have a compulsive desire to explore, so if there's Meat around everywhere and you haven't tried it, then It's perfectly reasonable that you [B][I]would[/I][/B] want to try it. If your Mum is a reasonable person then she should understand that, and if she doesn't, then no disrespect to her, but she is not a reasonable person in my opinion. Well there's that view, but in my opinion Human's are not limited to whatever they're "supposed to do". We are intelligent and have Logic and Reason, we can rationalise with whatever diet we want for whatever reason. Humans weren't "meant" to fly, but we do it![/QUOTE] He's talking from a biological standpoint, though. We don't fly in the sense that people are born with wings, you just sit inside an aerodynamic, engine-powered storage compartment and move with it.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36430571]He's talking from a biological standpoint, though. We don't fly in the sense that people are born with wings, you just sit inside an aerodynamic, engine-powered storage compartment and move with it.[/QUOTE] But I did make a point of contradiction towards his biological standpoint. I said "We are intelligent and have Logic and Reason, we can rationalise with whatever diet we want for whatever reason.". The point I made about flying wasn't completely in relation to what he said exactly, it was just a separate point made to say that we are not limited to what the average perception of what is "natural" limits us to do.

[QUOTE=C:\;36400165]Thanks for the quick replies, I see that it would be wise to just exercise more and eat less. But I can't motivate myself, every time I try, I fail. Any tips on motivation? And before someone says women, I tried that motivation before, it didn't work.[/QUOTE] umm good motivation is you will fucking die young so get your shit together and start running

the animals are already dead, refusing to eat packaged meat is dumb for so many reasons 1. it's not going to bring it back 2. meat companies don't give a fuck, if you aren't going to eat it someone else will and the industry will continue not giving a fuck 3. if nobody eats it then the animal died in vain if vegetarians and vegans are doing it for anything other than health benefits then they're short-sighted hypocrites acting like children [editline]21st June 2012[/editline] if you don't care about the animals then I don't know do whatever you want

actually, you should convert to photosynthesis.

[QUOTE=cccritical;36432195]the animals are already dead, refusing to eat packaged meat is dumb for so many reasons 1. it's not going to bring it back 2. meat companies don't give a fuck, if you aren't going to eat it someone else will and the industry will continue not giving a fuck 3. if nobody eats it then the animal died in vain if vegetarians and vegans are doing it for anything other than health benefits then they're short-sighted hypocrites acting like children [editline]21st June 2012[/editline] if you don't care about the animals then I don't know do whatever you want[/QUOTE] This is a bad argument. Meat companies aren't going to slaughter animals if they cannot sell the meat. If less people eat meat, less animals will be slaughtered because demand for meat will be lower. This also lowers the amount of grain and corn we have to farm, and also lowers greenhouse gas emissions.

[QUOTE=cccritical;36432195] 1. it's not going to bring it back 2. meat companies don't give a fuck, if you aren't going to eat it someone else will and the industry will continue not giving a fuck 3. if nobody eats it then the animal died in vain [/QUOTE] uhhh what?` Think before you post next time, lol. I'm sure the above post explained nicely

Move your tongue around in your mouth a little bit. Do you feel those sharp teeth in there? Oh yeah, that might be because you're designed to eat meat! Well, who'd have thought it?! :v: In all seriousness, if you're drinking pop, that's step one, just stop. It's honestly not that hard. Pop is garbage and the only "pop" you should ever drink is either A. ginger ale or B. soda/carbonated water. I stopped drinking pop and lost around 40 to 50 pounds in the following months. Step two would be to watch your sodium intake, i'm not entirely sure how it correlates yet, but it made a difference for me when I started taking notice of all the sodium in the food surrounding me. Step three, lay off the candy! If you eat candy, just cut that out too. Candy is garbage, and be real to yourself, think "Do I really need to eat this man-made processed shit?". There are so many other great things out there to eat! Whenever I feel like eating something tasty and quick, i'll make myself a sandwich with whatever is in my fridges/cupboards; for example my family usually has triangle buns from Costco, so I'll make smoked meat sandwiches, prosciutto and cheese sandwiches, maybe even feta and natural salsa sandwiches, cream cheese, or whatever I want and feel like. Or I'll have chips and hummus, etc, the possibilities are endless. I'm sure you understand what I mean anyway. There are so many other things to eat, don't settle for candy. Try and make everything you do a workout, don't hold back and eventually your body will begin to build up and adapt to the situations you're putting it in (within reason of course :v:, don't go killing yourself). For example, whenever I work, I try to impress myself with how much I can lift/get done (without breaking my back of course (I work at Wal-Mart :v: enough said)). As for switching to meat, just give it a go, have some nice grilled sausages, a chicken breast, a juicy steak, or a burger. Start small and work your way up. The last thing you want to do is risk turning yourself off from meat somehow. Also you don't really gain weight from eating meat (real meat, not processed McDonald's bullshit; and once again, within reason). There's one thing you need to understand, meat adds a nice flavor to just about any dish when done right (and it's really not that hard to do right; it just takes some common sense, and a little bit of cooking skill). Personally I can't really understand why people choose to be vegetarians, we're made to eat meat, and meat is here for a reason, and it's great for almost anyone who eats it (except for a few rare cases). OH! One last thing, don't forget to try bacon!

[QUOTE=Tophat;36433853]Move your tongue around in your mouth a little bit. Do you feel those sharp teeth in there? Oh yeah, that might be because you're designed to eat meat! Well, who'd have thought it?! :v:[/QUOTE] This is only semi-true. We are designed to eat practically everything. We started as herbivores, turned to scavengers, and stayed as sort of a scavenger/hunter/gatherer. We aren't "designed to eat meat". We have canines to better facilitate our dietary strategy of eating whatever the fuck was available. The ability to eat meat was an advantage evolutionary, because it widened our dietary horizons. [editline]22nd June 2012[/editline] I'm not saying we aren't supposed to eat meat, by the way. I'm saying that we aren't designed to be some amazing hunter. We evolved to be able to hunt when it was convenient for us.

Try the Garry Newman diet if you can stand the taste: [img]http://i.imgur.com/FwUxr.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/V79KY.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/vKY3v.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/cfstM.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/YMVFv.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/OY7vW.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/IBVfo.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/y706o.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/fwNgZ.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/kkBn5.jpg[/img] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MTUV9qlaqY4/Tt623HisCkI/AAAAAAAADfY/8P6gcpzVMpg/s1600/original.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=chaz13;36400202]So you've never eaten a beautifully prepared steak? Try one. Make your mind up after that.[/QUOTE] I do this every other day. It is good to have a family of meat craving animals.

Nothing wrong with eating a nice, juicy, steamy burger straight off of the grill!

[QUOTE=Tophat;36433853] In all seriousness, if you're drinking pop, that's step one, just stop. It's honestly not that hard. Pop is garbage and the only "pop" you should ever drink is either A. ginger ale or B. soda/carbonated water. I stopped drinking pop and lost around 40 to 50 pounds in the following months. [/quote] I disagree with stopping entirely. A can or two a day is not going to make you balloon out. Everything in moderation, and nothing's quite like having a coke and a burger. Absolutely delicious combo. [quote]OH! One last thing, don't forget to try bacon![/QUOTE] Now this I'm 100% for. Bacon is more than just meat. Bacon is the food of the gods. I like to imagine Heaven's kitchen serving up nothing but bacon and steaks. Nomnomnom.

[QUOTE=TestECull;36435525]I disagree with stopping entirely. A can or two a day is not going to make you balloon out. Everything in moderation, and nothing's quite like having a coke and a burger. Absolutely delicious combo. [/QUOTE] Even just 100 calories a day can make a big difference over a long period of time, it's also fairly manageable versus completely restructuring your diet. There are also other reasons to not drink soda, the phosphoric acid is bad for the bones, for example.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36436274]Even just 100 calories a day can make a big difference over a long period of time, it's also fairly manageable versus completely restructuring your diet.[/quote] If a hundred calories a day upsets your diet there's something wrong. [quote]There are also other reasons to not drink soda, the phosphoric acid is bad for the bones, for example.[/QUOTE] Maybe if you drink it way in excess of what you should, or if it's the only thing you'll drink. A glass of milk daily offsets any damage that phosphoric acid would even think of doing, barring you downing an entire twelve pack afterward. A can or two a day is not going to have any adverse effects whatsoever. If coke was really as bad as people make it out to be it A: would have been banned years ago, and B: would have killed millions over the century or so it's existed. An entire 12 pack a day, however, will do some damage.

[QUOTE=TestECull;36436498]If a hundred calories a day upsets your diet there's something wrong. [/QUOTE] I'm saying it won't upset your diet. 100 calories is an easy change to make and can have positive long term effects. A lot of dieticians suggest making small incremental changes to diet(like getting rid of soda) to make a healthy style of living more manageable. [editline]22nd June 2012[/editline] And by the way, if you have to drink a glass of milk to offset the problems from phosphoric acid, that is another source of calories. [editline]22nd June 2012[/editline] And before you say "Oh, you should be drinking a glass of milk daily", a lot of vegetarians don't drink milk period. So getting rid of the phosphoric acid is a more morally consistent choice.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36433519]This is a bad argument. Meat companies aren't going to slaughter animals if they cannot sell the meat. If less people eat meat, less animals will be slaughtered because demand for meat will be lower. This also lowers the amount of grain and corn we have to farm, and also lowers greenhouse gas emissions.[/QUOTE] it's actually a pretty good argument for use against those taking up vegetarianism in protest against the meat industry, considering vegetarians will never be a majority of society in this particular case though, it's not really applicable considering OP's just eating what's available