I'm not sure if I should convert from vegetarianism or not. - General

I'm gonna leave these right here: [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tP_axPXpnLA/TsMbzCjnf3I/AAAAAAAAADM/7I30VTlAKfQ/s1600/GyroBig.gif[/img] [img]http://www.kingofpork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/How-Do-You-BBQ-Ribs.jpg[/img] But in all honesty, you are eating other organisms, unless if you live on salt. Greasy meats and fast food meat is obviously bad for you, but lamb, chicken and fish are all good for you, depending on preparation. I can say that meat has is risks on the industrial end, but vegetables do too.

[QUOTE=C:\;36400058]I go biking for a couple miles every few days, I have PE at school on tuesdays and wednesdays, I go to school naturally. But I snack a lot.[/QUOTE] What are you snacking on, how often, and how much?

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;36437366]it's actually a pretty good argument for use against those taking up vegetarianism in protest against the meat industry, considering vegetarians will never be a majority of society in this particular case though, it's not really applicable considering OP's just eating what's available[/QUOTE] Not really. Let's say 10% of the population stops eating meat. Demand will make a giant plummet, and the farms will be forced to raise less livestock because it will be a waste of money to raise animals that can't be sold to consumers. Not eating meat lowers demand, and lowers the amount of slaughter. It doesn't matter if vegetarians are a huge minority or not, even small percentages impact the amount of livestock raised and butchered.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36436944]I'm saying it won't upset your diet. 100 calories is an easy change to make and can have positive long term effects. A lot of dieticians suggest making small incremental changes to diet(like getting rid of soda) to make a healthy style of living more manageable.[/quote] An easier change is to stop living off Taco Bell and Pizza Hut. It isn't hard to cook your own tacos and pizzas and they're infinitely healthier than the fast food alternatives. Hell, even a frozen pizza from someone like Red Baron is better than the fast food pizza on this front. You don't need to give up soda. It's perfectly safe to drink it and it's not going to throw everything out of whack. There's more than enough room for it, and if you don't move enough to offset the 140-ish calories in them no diet is going to do you any good. [quote]And by the way, if you have to drink a glass of milk to offset the problems from phosphoric acid, that is another source of calories.[/quote] So? You should be drinking it anyway. Lolnutrients. Soda is something you drink because it tastes good, milk is something you drink because it's good for you. [quote] And before you say "Oh, you should be drinking a glass of milk daily", a lot of vegetarians don't drink milk period. [/quote] And most of them are malnourished as a result. There's shit in milk that we need and is a bit more difficult to acquire otherwise, which often isn't considered with people who choose a veggie-only diet on moral concerns. Then again most vegans are too busy demonizing anyone who likes bacon to care about such matters, so it's to be expected. [quote] So getting rid of the phosphoric acid is a more morally consistent choice.[/QUOTE] Morals don't play into the "Drink cola / Don't drink cola" debate. It may be more difficult to get that calcium other ways but it isn't impossible. I couldn't name such a food off the top of my head though, since I go by the "If it tastes good, fucking eat it" diet plan. Like I said a can of coke a day is not going to make you fat, weaken your bones and give you diabeetus. I know it goes against the claims of those that somehow think it's the nectar of the devil, but it's the truth. There's no harm in one or two cans a day, and the caffiene helps keep you awake during the workday to boot. Overdoing it and not moving enough is what does the damage, and you can apply that to literally everything it is possible to consume. Now I could hear this argument towards energy drinks. I'm quite fond of NOS myself, but the level of caffiene and other such nonsense in that can is so high that four of them in quick succession is enough to cause immediate cardiac issues, among other things. Eight in a row would likely kill a healthy person. Someone with pre-existing heart issues or sensitivies to the myriad of crap they put in there would be well advised to just not drink one at all for that reason. I also imagine they don't do diabetics any favors, but if they're dreadfully low on sugar drinking one might just save them. Suffice it to say I drink one NOS per 24 hours, only when I need to stay up for a while, and I definitely do NOT shotgun it. [QUOTE=yawmwen;36438592]Not really. Let's say 10% of the population stops eating meat. Demand will make a giant plummet, and the farms will be forced to raise less livestock because it will be a waste of money to raise animals that can't be sold to consumers. Not eating meat lowers demand, and lowers the amount of slaughter. It doesn't matter if vegetarians are a huge minority or not, even small percentages impact the amount of livestock raised and butchered.[/QUOTE] So much of our meat product is shipped overseas, usually to China, that a 10% drop in domestic demand would barely make a dent. On top of that there's so much [i]else[/i] that uses animal products that there'd still be an incentive to raise livestock. Leather seats in cars are a good example, as is leather apparel. A lot of glues and soaps are made from animal parts as well, and let's not mention pet food. Big Pharma buys an awful lot of the stuff too, varying in reason from "It makes good pill filler" to "Holy shit we need this to make x drug". Direct consumption of meat is a pretty small chunk of the money the meat industry pulls in when you look at what they do with the rest of the cow. Maybe 20% of it is edible for us, the rest is sent off to a myriad of other industries.

[QUOTE=TestECull;36438766]An easier change is to stop living off Taco Bell and Pizza Hut. It isn't hard to cook your own tacos and pizzas and they're infinitely healthier than the fast food alternatives. Hell, even a frozen pizza from someone like Red Baron is better than the fast food pizza on this front.[/QUOTE] Domino's: 555 calories for a pizza Tony's: 570 per 202g Red Baron: 442 per 154g [URL]http://cache.dominos.com/homev8/docs/menu/dominos_nutrition_v2.21.00.pdf[/URL] [URL]http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-tonys-pizza-one-frozen-microwaveable-i221889[/URL] [URL]http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-red-baron-pepperoni-pizza-frozen-i22549[/URL] Now, I can't be sure about a comparison because I don't have a uniformity in grams, nor do I know how many grams a Domino's pizza is. However, Domino's doesn't appear to be much worse or better. [quote]You don't need to give up soda. It's perfectly safe to drink it and it's not going to throw everything out of whack. There's more than enough room for it, and if you don't move enough to offset the 140-ish calories in them no diet is going to do you any good.[/quote] Um if you keep the same activity level, and ax 140 calories, you will make a big difference in the long run. [quote]Then again most vegans are too busy demonizing anyone who likes bacon to care about such matters, so it's to be expected. Morals don't play into the "Drink cola / Don't drink cola" debate. It may be more difficult to get that calcium other ways but it isn't impossible. I couldn't name such a food off the top of my head though, since I go by the "If it tastes good, fucking eat it" diet plan.[/quote] No, I'm saying vegans won't drink milk to offset the phosphoric acid. If the OP doesn't drink milk, he might as well just cut soda anyways. [quote]Now I could hear this argument towards energy drinks. I'm quite fond of NOS myself, but the level of caffiene and other such nonsense in that can is so high that four of them in quick succession is enough to cause immediate cardiac issues, among other things. Eight in a row would likely kill a healthy person. Someone with pre-existing heart issues or sensitivies to the myriad of crap they put in there would be well advised to just not drink one at all for that reason. I also imagine they don't do diabetics any favors, but if they're dreadfully low on sugar drinking one might just save them. Suffice it to say I drink one NOS per 24 hours, only when I need to stay up for a while, and I definitely do NOT shotgun it. [/quote] I don't get your point. I'm saying that cutting soda is beneficial, cutting an energy drink a day is beneficial. Is it the end all for health? No. Will drinking a soda a day kill you? No. It's just something very easy to cut, and it can help shave off a few extra calories per day. I don't really see why you are being the soda apologist. [quote] Direct consumption of meat is a pretty small chunk of the money the meat industry pulls in when you look at what they do with the rest of the cow. Maybe 20% of it is edible for us, the rest is sent off to a myriad of other industries.[/quote] What industries? Show me some numbers please. I am pretty sure most of the meat is used for human consumption. What isn't is used for animal food. The main reason we raise cows or pigs or chickens is so we can eat them. The food part is not just an afterthought, and lowering meat consumption [I]will[/I] lower the amount of animals raised to be slaughtered.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36438592]Not really. Let's say 10% of the population stops eating meat. Demand will make a giant plummet, and the farms will be forced to raise less livestock because it will be a waste of money to raise animals that can't be sold to consumers. Not eating meat lowers demand, and lowers the amount of slaughter. It doesn't matter if vegetarians are a huge minority or not, even small percentages impact the amount of livestock raised and butchered.[/QUOTE] even 10% is incredibly far-fetched

Why should you? A human is supposed to eat meat (imo).

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36439275]Domino's: 555 calories for a pizza Tony's: 570 per 202g Red Baron: 442 per 154g [URL]http://cache.dominos.com/homev8/docs/menu/dominos_nutrition_v2.21.00.pdf[/URL] [URL]http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-tonys-pizza-one-frozen-microwaveable-i221889[/URL] [URL]http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-red-baron-pepperoni-pizza-frozen-i22549[/URL] Now, I can't be sure about a comparison because I don't have a uniformity in grams, nor do I know how many grams a Domino's pizza is. However, Domino's doesn't appear to be much worse or better.[/quote] Calories is not the whole picture. Something with 10 calories is not automatically better than the same thing with 100 if the thing with 100 has far better nutrition. The Red Baron frozen pizza is going to be more nutritious(Re: less greasy) than the fast food pizzas, and in turn a made-from-scratch pizza is going to be healthier than the Red Baron. [quote]Um if you keep the same activity level, and ax 140 calories, you will make a big difference in the long run.[/quote] Not enough to warrant it. It takes all of two minutes of casual activity to burn off 140 calories. Walking from your car to work and then back to your car will burn about that much, and most people do that on a daily basis regardless of whether or not they're watching their weight. [quote]No, I'm saying vegans won't drink milk to offset the phosphoric acid.[/quote] And they're stupid for it because of all the other nutrients milk has in it. Besides, the amount of phosphoric acid in one can of coke per day is not enough to damage your bones unless they're already damaged from the getgo...most likely by insufficient calcium intake. [quote]Will drinking a soda a day kill you? No.[/quote] Then why cut it? It's meaningless. It's one can of tasty, refreshing deliciousness, and you move enough to burn off it's calories every time you walk from where you parked to your destination. It's not going to make you fat and it's not going to throw your weight loss plans out the window, and given how bland a lot of healthy food is a little flavor is more than welcome. [quote] I don't really see why you are being the soda apologist.[/quote] I don't really see where you're coming from attacking soda so much. I'm starting to get the inkling that you're one of the "Need to lose weight? CUT CARBS ZOMG" types. Simply cutting carbs isn't going to do it. You have to eat healthy foods, not simply low-carb ones. I know this has little to no bearing on soda being that there isn't really any nutrition in this can of coke I'm drinking, but I still get that vibe and I feel it's worth mentioning. [quote]What industries? Show me some numbers please.[/quote] Google it yourself. I'm too close to bed to go name the hundreds of industries that use the majority of the cattle killed for food, and I imagine you're too sleepy to scroll through a list three pages long. Suffice it to say you see cow parts everywhere you look. You may very well be sitting on some of it as you type. Think about it for a second. Very little of that cow goes to waste, yet we only eat 20-30% of it. It's got to go [i]somewhere[/i] if it's not going to waste. [quote]and lowering meat consumption [I]will[/I] lower the amount of animals raised to be slaughtered.[/QUOTE]Not really. The market will just shift overseas, and like I mentioned demand from the other industries will prop up livestock farmers quite nicely. You'd have to see an absolutely drastic drop in domestic meat consumption, somewhere around 35-40%, to harm the meat industry. Even then you wouldn't really kill it off. I suppose you haven't heard how much pork we're shifting to China, have you? They eat a fair amount of beef over there too. Not only that but I'm fairly certain quite a bit of our beef goes to Europe as well.

The only argument in favor of vegetarianism is the fact that slaughtering animals takes an enormous toll on the climate. For 1 kilogram of of cow meat, it takes about 15.000 litres of water that goes mainly into watering the grain that will feed the cow, and the water the cow drinks. For 1 kilogram of grain, it takes 1.000 litres of water.

[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;36437625]I'm gonna leave these right here: [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tP_axPXpnLA/TsMbzCjnf3I/AAAAAAAAADM/7I30VTlAKfQ/s1600/GyroBig.gif[/img] [img]http://www.kingofpork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/How-Do-You-BBQ-Ribs.jpg[/img] But in all honesty, you are eating other organisms, unless if you live on salt. Greasy meats and fast food meat is obviously bad for you, but lamb, chicken and fish are all good for you, depending on preparation. I can say that meat has is risks on the industrial end, but vegetables do too.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but those look absolutely digusting. There's nothing like a rear steak with nothing but a tiny bit of mustard.

Stop eating snacks and eat real food regularly. Measure your calories each day, and preferably work out at least 3 times a week. Try weightlifting or cardio, whatever floats your boat. Maybe get a membership at a gym and get a personal trainer to give you some exercises and tips. Invite some friends and work out with them. It gives you a boost. I have an uncle that was skinny all his life, but started to balloon up when he started eating snacks and candy between meals. He also didn't/doesn'y work out. Now he's on blood pressure medicine and is only in his early 40's. That alone should be enough to get people working out.

If you need help counting calories, this will help. [url]http://www.myfitnesspal.com/[/url] It's got apps for everything. [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TestECull;36439847] Not enough to warrant it. It takes all of two minutes of casual activity to burn off 140 calories. Walking from your car to work and then back to your car will burn about that much, and most people do that on a daily basis regardless of whether or not they're watching their weight.[/QUOTE] Correction: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_equivalent]Walking for 2 minutes will burn about 7 calories. Walking for 20 minutes will burn about 70 calories.[/url]

Meat rules!

Shit you're almost double my weight but my height. Dude, go to the gym, if you're not motivated keep yourself motivated by paying the memberships in advance.

I would recommend eating according to the LCHF diet, if you want to try to eat meat. I have been doing it for around 2 months now, and have lost 16 kg. To add to that, I didn't exercise [B]that[/B] much, but I did regurally. What LCHF stands for is: Low Carb, High Fat. My version of it, is that I don't eat any calories at all, except from any vegetables I eat. This means that I ignore stuff like rice, pasta, bread and all that but instead take more meat, use more fatty products and eat more vegetables. In short I replace any calories I had with more protein and vegetables. I don't snack at all, I don't drink any soda or anything similar except carbonated water. To some this might sound a bit tough, but now when I have gotten used to it. I really like it. But like all other diets there is no magic, so you have to exercise and keep following it. Here are some more details on LCHF: [url]http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf[/url] It's hard to find details about LCHF since it's only big in Sweden right now, but if you have any questions do send me a PM or something, and I will try my best to answer any questions you have!

It's a possibility that natural cravings for protein,minerals and vitamins found in meats for bodily development has you eating greasy, starchy and sugary foods. i'd say give meat a shot.