Sex, Girlfriends and Shit VII: "Power Moves For High Quality Women" - General

[QUOTE=grr164;50938622]Nobody's going to listen to advice given to them in an angry manner. You catch more bees with honey etc etc.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree but I also don't see a point in trying to give advice. metallics's post was much nicer than mine and he ignored it as well. The kid needs a wake-up call. Pandering to his paper thin ego isn't going to do anything except maybe encourage him to keep blaming "most" of 51% of the population for his own personality flaws.

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50938662]I was going to reply explaining why I said all of those things, but now I don't feel like it. Just feels off putting with all this negativity.[/QUOTE] now imagine how girls must feel when you talk to them about 'SJW bullshit' and 'stay friends forever sluts' or whatever probably feels off putting to them with all that negativity

[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;50938658]Not gonna lie I think anyone who refers to another human being as a trophy needs berating.[/QUOTE] Of course you shouldn't refer to any human being as a trophy, under any circumstance. I'm not here to defend his view, rather actually attempt to help change his perception rather than just make him angry. It's an [i]advice thread[/i], we should try to help, not anger and scare him off. [QUOTE=Guy Mannly;50938669]I don't disagree but I also don't see a point in trying to give advice. metallics's post was much nicer than mine and he ignored it as well. The kid needs a wake-up call. Pandering to his paper thin ego isn't going to do anything except maybe encourage him to keep blaming "most" of 51% of the population for his own personality flaws.[/QUOTE] Well, he rated metallics' post, so he saw it and agreed to some extent. But who wants to post in a hostile environment where they receive nothing but anger? If you write someone off as 'ignorant' and are fine with upsetting them to the point of leaving, you've done nothing to actively change the views you hate in the world, all you've done is let that person go without even helping them to think about the repercussions of their actions. You can both disagree with someone and have a constructive conversation at the same time.

Sheridanm, I'm going to ask you to stop posting on my profile. I prefer not to take conversations in this thread out of it (unless otherwise stated). And to answer your question, I personally find it pretty fucking offensive to be reduced to a "slut" simply because I don't want to date someone. I also find it disgusting that you would use the word "trophy" to apply to a potential partner. You are not the only victim here. I am of the more vulnerable sex and I have dealt with my share of guys like you who treated me like shit as soon as they realized whatever plans they had about a future with me weren't going to happen. Grr, at the risk of sounding pretentious, you don't know me (nor I you). I am going to school to become a counselor. I suppose you could call this an off day. I feel threatened and angry by the ideology this kid brings here because I have been exposed to and harmed by it plenty of times. It is not only an individual problem but a cultural one.

[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;50938710]Sheridanm, I'm going to ask you to stop posting on my profile. I prefer not to take conversations in this thread out of it (unless otherwise stated). And to answer your question, I personally find it pretty fucking offensive to be reduced to a "slut" simply because I don't want to date someone. I also find it disgusting that you would use the word "trophy" to apply to a potential partner. You are not the only victim here. I am of the more vulnerable sex and I have dealt with my share of guys like you who treated me like shit as soon as they realized whatever plans they had about a future with me weren't going to happen. Grr, at the risk of sounding pretentious, you don't know me (nor I you). I am going to school to become a counselor. I suppose you could call this an off day. I feel threatened and angry by the ideology this kid brings here because I have been exposed to and harmed by it plenty of times. It is not only an individual problem but a cultural one.[/QUOTE] Okay... We're getting somewhere. I guess? [QUOTE=killerteacup;50938686]now imagine how girls must feel when you talk to them about 'SJW bullshit' and 'stay friends forever sluts' or whatever probably feels off putting to them with all that negativity[/QUOTE] Wait, what? You think I actually go around saying this stuff? It was a joke. Seems like a bad one now that I think about it. My whole post was taken out of context. Sort of. All I'm getting is "You're this" and "You're nothing but this". So you're trying to put me in this box like I'm some kind of broken robot? Not the best way to explain it, by all means. I admit I come off as a douchebag going back and reading it. But from what I've had in response from some of you just reinforces the stereotypical biased thoughts that I've had in my experiences. I overthink things and often get worried and confused when it comes to relationships. I don't try to get into someone's pants, you think that's all I think about? Not at all. This is the first post I've had in this thread and we're already off to a bad start.

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50938311]A majority of you should count yourselves lucky. Most chicks where I live are either Single Forever Sluts or just too picky/I'm going to friend zone every guy till I find the right one. Most think they can make the most fucked up assumptions and claim "all guys are like that". The worst part is they don't say guys, they use SJW terms like "males". I've met some decent women, but they're either broken themselves or I don't really see them much. I've only ever been in one relationship that lasted for 6 months and she friendzoned me because of her "culture". She's Tongan. Now all of a sudden she wants to talk to me as if nothing happened. But still, plenty of fish in the sea. A sea of piranhas that is, I'm just trying to look for that one trophy, but in reality this ain't no fairy tale shit so...[/QUOTE] let's break this shit down, shall we [B]>Most chicks where I live are either Single Forever Sluts or just too picky/I'm going to friend zone every guy till I find the right one.[/B] how fucking dare they try to find someone they like, hot damn. the nerve of those girls. also please stop saying girls friendzone you. you're girlfriendzoning them. if they don't want to be your girlfriend you have no interest in them as a friend, and it's a problem literally every girl has dealt with. apparently. [B]Most think they can make the most fucked up assumptions and claim "all guys are like that". [/B] you're either trolling or too blind to realize you're an idiot, but i think the irony here has been pointed out [B]The worst part is they don't say guys, they use SJW terms like "males".[/B] the fact that calling guys "males" is worse than them being "single forever sluts" or, god forbid, caring about who they date, says a lot about you [B]I've met some decent women, but they're either broken themselves or I don't really see them much.[/B] "they're...broken" isn't a super great phrase, for a lot of reasons. For one, everyone has baggage. [del]Including[/del] Especially you. And what do you mean you "don't really see them much?" You mean you don't happen to cross paths with girls you find acceptable that meet your stupid standards? Do you expect this perfect woman to fall into your lap without you having to make some semblance of an effort to actually meet up with them? I'm guessing your ideal girl is someone that knocks on your door with a door-to-door quiz about whether or not the red pill is a GOOD way to view the world or a GREAT way to view the world and then she blows you to thank you for your time. [B]I've only ever been in one relationship that lasted for 6 months and she friendzoned me because of her "culture". [/B] if you're in a relationship for six months you didn't get friendzoned, she dumped you. also the fact that you're referring to it as "culture" with quotes is another clear (and unnecessary) example of the fact that you don't really seem to give a shit about other people or things they care about [B]She's Tongan. Now all of a sudden she wants to talk to me as if nothing happened.[/B] I googled "Tongan dating traditions" and I think I found out why she dumped you: [quote]Female are highly ranked and respected in my Tongan society by men[/quote] [B]But still, plenty of fish in the sea. A sea of piranhas that is, I'm just trying to look for that one trophy, but in reality this ain't no fairy tale shit so...[/B] I don't think I need to point this out, at this point, but I don't know why you think you're going to be able to find a "trophy", because anyone that meets your fucking insane standards would presumably not settle for someone like you. I suggest you figure some shit out, maybe see a therapist. Or go outside, jesus. The only people I've ever seen talk like that are insecure teenagers that assume girls don't talk to them because they're bitches and not because they have nothing to offer society.

[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;50938710]I mean, you know what you posted.[/QUOTE] Trust me, I understand, it is by no means an individual problem. When it comes to us, the people that want to see a difference in the culture as a whole, we have to be able to approach things with a level head and help change someone's perspective in a constructive manor. That's all I'm attempting to do here, I mean we're talking about human sexuality, literally one of the most basic instincts in our species. It can be a touchy subject. Just trying to keep the peace for the sake of constructive conversation is all.

I agree, but I also think part of encouraging cultural change is making it clear that certain attitudes are intolerable. But like I keep saying, you're right and I agree with you. I'm just really mad and tired of these types of misattributions existing at all.

[QUOTE=grr164;50938745]Trust me, I understand, it is by no means an individual problem. When it comes to us, the people that want to see a difference in the culture as a whole, we have to be able to approach things with a level head and help change someone's perspective in a constructive manor. That's all I'm attempting to do here, I mean we're talking about human sexuality, literally one of the most basic instincts in our species. It can be a touchy subject. Just trying to keep the peace for the sake of constructive conversation is all.[/QUOTE] Not trying to troll here, but that post above you might as well be in All-Caps. If I even attempted to replied to whatever that was, it would be like touching an electric fence connected to power lines. The ironic thing about your name E = MC Hammer is that MC Hammer actually got a lawsuit because the music used in 'Can't touch this' was stolen by one of my favorite artists: Rick James. I'm going way off topic here and It's also apparent this isn't going to get any better. Just... Wow.

honestly i'm hoping you reply to it but i'm sure you won't because that would mean justifying all the dumb shit you just said you also don't know what irony is so i'll add that to the list of reasons you're an idiot [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;50938760]honestly i'm hoping you reply to it but i'm sure you won't because that would mean justifying all the dumb shit you just said you also don't know what irony is so i'll add that to the list of reasons you're an idiot[/QUOTE] Seriously? Do you not see how much you're projecting your anger? Dude... You have some real issues. "Im sure you won't" -So by default I'm proven to be an idiot just because you claim it to be true? Why reply? I don't see a point where you've basically just said that you've backed me into a corner. Disregarding the hateful and judgemental accusations: I've already admit what I said was wrong. I'm not completely against what I said however under the basis that my whole post was taken out of context. So here's my honest reply: I took what bad experiences I've had and posted without giving serious thought into what help or advice I could be given, as if I didn't need that advice, as if it was irrelevant. But now It's clear to me that as soon as someone like you comes along and jumps the gun so to speak, you can't even give me a chance to explain that one simple thing. Your advice is limited by your judgemental thoughts in trying to label me as a dickhead. The real irony here is that you seem to be under the delusion that I'm not open to listen to you, but it's the other way around it seems.

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50938763]Seriously? Do you not see how much you're projecting your anger? Dude... You have some real issues.[/QUOTE] sheridanm I'm pretty much the only person here who's trying to keep this from going off the rails but you really aren't helping your case. Either stop with the back and forth insults or leave the thread, no sense in mucking it up with useless arguing. Third time stating this, this is an advice thread. If you guys want to argue with someone get off the computer and go yell at your neighbor or something.

i'm not projecting my anger, i'm not angry. I'm sick of guys being morons and misattributing their own failures and assuming that every female on earth is the problem, not them. Besides, your original post wasn't exactly sunshine and rainbows, I don't know why you expect any reply to show you the courtesy you're not showing anyone else. [editline]24th August 2016[/editline] i'm genuinely curious to see if you can actually argue against anything i said, i'm betting you can't, or at least won't

Sheridanm, you keep going back and forth between saying that posts aren't worth replying to and saying that nobody is giving you the chance to reply. Let me be clear that you are welcome to argue with any of us. You are welcome to defend yourself and we will listen, but the fact that you haven't presented any argument so far, any real information to back yourself up other than "it's not like what you think", makes me wonder if you actually have anything to say... And if you can't defend yourself against a few internet strangers who don't know you, how are you going to justify your attitude to yourself?

[b]WELL[/b] if anyone who isn't currently trying to yell at each other needs some advice, I'm your friendly neighborhood ladies man/love guru/alcoholic and I'd be more than happy to help you through your troubled times.

help i only see women as objects but it's their fault not mine what do you suggest

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;50938801]help i only see women as objects but it's their fault not mine what do you suggest[/QUOTE] Change your name from 'sheridanm' to 'E = MC Hammer'

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50938723]Okay... We're getting somewhere. I guess? Wait, what? You think I actually go around saying this stuff? It was a joke. Seems like a bad one now that I think about it. My whole post was taken out of context. Sort of. All I'm getting is "You're this" and "You're nothing but this". So you're trying to put me in this box like I'm some kind of broken robot? Not the best way to explain it, by all means. I admit I come off as a douchebag going back and reading it. But from what I've had in response from some of you just reinforces the stereotypical biased thoughts that I've had in my experiences. I overthink things and often get worried and confused when it comes to relationships. I don't try to get into someone's pants, you think that's all I think about? Not at all. This is the first post I've had in this thread and we're already off to a bad start.[/QUOTE] No I don't but you're fooling yourself if you think that an attitude like that isn't immediately obvious to people you meet and doesn't affect your interactions with people [QUOTE=sheridanm;50938763]Seriously? Do you not see how much you're projecting your anger? Dude... You have some real issues. "Im sure you won't" -So by default I'm proven to be an idiot just because you claim it to be true? Why reply? I don't see a point where you've basically just said that you've backed me into a corner. Disregarding the hateful and judgemental accusations: I've already admit what I said was wrong. I'm not completely against what I said however under the basis that my whole post was taken out of context. So here's my honest reply: I took what bad experiences I've had and posted without giving serious thought into what help or advice I could be given, as if I didn't need that advice, as if it was irrelevant. But now It's clear to me that as soon as someone like you comes along and jumps the gun so to speak, you can't even give me a chance to explain that one simple thing. Your advice is limited by your judgemental thoughts in trying to label me as a dickhead. The real irony here is that you seem to be under the delusion that I'm not open to listen to you, but it's the other way around it seems.[/QUOTE] The problem is as follows You make a very intolerant sweeping generalisation of women, based solely on your experience of rejection, you categorise them either as sluts or frigid, and its their fault for not dating you, 'friend zoning' you and basically reduce the status of women in your life to objects of desire Then, a woman comes on and is rightfully completely fucking offended by what you have to say and angry about it. Considering you've just made a really awful statement about her gender and lumped her in it without even knowing her, she's obviously going to be pissed. I don't mean to speak for Guy or anything but if I were in her shoes this is how I would likely react. Then to top it off, you turn around and you tell us that we're just being emotional and if we were just being logical we would help you and not be so mad about what you had to say. This obviously is just going to make things worse because I'm sure if you spent a day in any woman's position you'd probably be pretty fucking sick of dudes telling you that you're just being emotional and irrational for getting offended at something so obviously offensive What you had to say was pretty rude, and not okay to say. This is an advice thread for people to come in and ask questions and seek help. It's a safe space or at least it's meant to be and it isn't a place that you can come in here and make those sorts of generalisations and get off scot-free without people getting mad about it. And 'our reactions just reinforcing your opinion' is a pretty convenient excuse for you not to reflect on this. In fact the fact that everyone here reacted so strongly to what you had to say should be a pretty good indicator that that sort of attitude is offensive to a lot of people. But sure, go ahead and tell everyone that they're just being super irrational by being offended at your so obviously misogynistic post. Whatever reinforces your opinion best I guess and by explaining this I am obviously going to fan the flames but that's not my intention. I'm just saying you can't say rude shit then turn around and tell people who get mad that they're just being emotional about it I mean what reaction did you expect to elicit

to be fair, he's definitely allowed to come in here and say dumb shit and ask us for help he's just not going to get people telling him he's right and no one really has an obligation to be polite

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;50938801]help i only see women as objects but it's their fault not mine what do you suggest[/QUOTE] You do realize I am still friends with my ex, I have no thoughts of anything beyond that in any way shape or form, I don't see women as objects. The way I explained things is skewed between so many past tenses. Last year I had relations with one woman in particular. But after hanging out with her more I realized she was smoking meth and sleeping with every guy that bought her alcohol and more drugs. That's why I said those things. In many different points in my life I've been called nothing but creepy and other shit that was uncalled for. That's why I was so eager to try and defend myself. I'm sure many people had similar shit growing up. Shall I go on? EDIT: Another post as I was just typing this... Fuck me right? Double edit motherfucker!: You keep referring back to the original post instead of what I'm posting now. Past tense, kay?

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;50938838]to be fair, he's definitely allowed to come in here and say dumb shit and ask us for help he's just not going to get people telling him he's right and no one really has an obligation to be polite[/QUOTE] I totally agree with you but also the original post literally did not ask for help at all

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;50938838]to be fair, he's definitely allowed to come in here and say dumb shit and ask us for help he's just not going to get people telling him he's right and no one really has an obligation to be polite[/QUOTE] Hey man, all I was trying to do is keep the peace to leave room for a productive discussion. But he hasn't really helped his case, y'all can have him I'm here to be nice to people.

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50938842]You do realize I am still friends with my ex, I have no thoughts of anything beyond that in any way shape or form, I don't see women as objects. The way I explained things is skewed between so many past tenses. Last year I had relations with one woman in particular. But after hanging out with her more I realized she was smoking meth and sleeping with every guy that bought her alcohol and more drugs. That's why I said those things. In many different points in my life I've been called nothing but creepy and other shit that was uncalled for. That's why I was so eager to try and defend myself. I'm sure many people had similar shit growing up. Shall I go on? EDIT: Another post as I was just typing this... Fuck me right?[/QUOTE] personally i doubt the legitimacy of all of that, but even assuming you're right, the fact that you didn't say that at the start and instead starting saying a bunch of dumb shit is probably why you're being shit on by everyone at once, and i don't know what you expected also what does her being tongan have to do with anything

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50938842]You do realize I am still friends with my ex, I have no thoughts of anything beyond that in any way shape or form, I don't see women as objects. The way I explained things is skewed between so many past tenses. Last year I had relations with one woman in particular. But after hanging out with her more I realized she was smoking meth and sleeping with every guy that bought her alcohol and more drugs. That's why I said those things. In many different points in my life I've been called nothing but creepy and other shit that was uncalled for. That's why I was so eager to try and defend myself. I'm sure many people had similar shit growing up. Shall I go on? EDIT: Another post as I was just typing this... Fuck me right?[/QUOTE] now to being actually helpful I think it might be worth reflecting on the idea that we get the love we think we deserve. It's a bit of a pithy statement but what it boils down to is that the type of relationships you become involved in generally (with a few outliers) are determined by your attitude towards relationships if you think that all women are shit, the cruel fate generally will be that you will get with someone equally bitter and so the process continues

weird that you were called creepy and other "shit that was uncalled for" when you said most girls are...i believe your exact quote was "Single Forever Sluts"

[QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;50938848]personally i doubt the legitimacy of all of that, but even assuming you're right, the fact that you didn't say that at the start and instead starting saying a bunch of dumb shit is probably why you're being shit on by everyone at once, and i don't know what you expected also what does her being tongan have to do with anything[/QUOTE] I've been told by a lot of people after we broke up that it's a common thing with "Islander girls" as they say. [QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;50938853]weird that you were called creepy and other "shit that was uncalled for" when you said most girls are...i believe your exact quote was "Single Forever Sluts"[/QUOTE] Just most I've met, I didn't mean most girls. As I've been told once: Assumptions are the biggest fuck ups.

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50938842]You do realize I am still friends with my ex, I have no thoughts of anything beyond that in any way shape or form, I don't see women as objects. The way I explained things is skewed between so many past tenses. Last year I had relations with one woman in particular. But after hanging out with her more I realized she was smoking meth and sleeping with every guy that bought her alcohol and more drugs. That's why I said those things. In many different points in my life I've been called nothing but creepy and other shit that was uncalled for. That's why I was so eager to try and defend myself. I'm sure many people had similar shit growing up. Shall I go on? EDIT: Another post as I was just typing this... Fuck me right? Double edit motherfucker!: You keep referring back to the original post instead of what I'm posting now. Past tense, kay?[/QUOTE] Wait how do you not know someone is smoking meth right off the bat? [b]what[/b]

also what circles are you hanging out in where "most girls you've met" are "single forever sluts" or somehow addicted to meth yet successfully hiding it that might be step 1

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50938854]I've been told by a lot of people after we broke up that it's a common thing with "Islander girls" as they say. Just most I've met, I didn't mean most girls. As I've been told once: Assumptions are the biggest fuck ups.[/QUOTE] well you've sure made a lot of assumptions so far for someone who thinks they are the biggest fuckups

[QUOTE=grr164;50938857]Wait how do you not know someone is smoking meth right off the bat? what[/QUOTE] She lost her job and everyone threw a going away party at the bar/restaurant she worked at, also a party at her house. When we went back there I literally saw her spark that shit up. Shocked me to say the least. I feel like a complete tool thinking back on it as I was warned about this chick, but I didn't want to believe the guy who told me that she was bad news from the get go. [QUOTE=E = MC Hammer;50938871]also what circles are you hanging out in where "most girls you've met" are "single forever sluts" or somehow addicted to meth yet successfully hiding it that might be step 1[/QUOTE] Was it you or someone else that said something about chicks from high school? Yeah, most chicks I've known in high school that I still talk to this day, mostly through social media is where I see this shit. In real life it gets much worse. I should've mentioned that to begin with shouldn't I? Facebook: More cancer everyday. Even so, in person it's just as bad. As with most stereo types I've known to see all the 16 and pregnant, the single forever club shit (memes chicks post about hating men everyday). I made that a big deal because it's mostly what I see and hear all the time. Did I also mention I'm from New Zealand? I might as well have relations with a sheep at this rate. Another stereotype... That last joke was pretty baaaaaaaad