Sex, Girlfriends and Shit VII: "Power Moves For High Quality Women" - General

5. d. is really interesting, Page 12. [quote]Excerpt from D. "If criticism from X strings more then that’s a pretty clear indication that one thinks X is not qualified or within their rights to criticize you. Maybe it’s not always internalized misogyny but absent a reason someone can vocalize that sure seems like a reasonable go-to assumption."[/quote] Go-to assumption is quite default in this thread. Not exactly related to this quote, but nonetheless relevant in my case it seems (No one can be at fault for that however). Said previously: No one in this thread is obligated to help others, but there's certain lines that have been crossed, have they not? [quote]Excerpt from C. "Oh that “fragile male ego”. I hear it very often, you know. Including from women who have been taught that hardly anything in this life is more important than protecting men’s poor defenseless egos."[/quote] I don't know how to speak on this quote in particular, but I've found a rather enticing article on it: [URL]http://elitedaily.com/life/male-ego-14-year-old-girl/1001940/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50942528]Which doesn't make it super friendly like it is thought to be[/QUOTE] Fun Fact: I was tasked with creating the first "Super Friendly Social and Love Advice" thread by postal as a jab at a particular member's previously caustic and abrasive social advice threads after he was banned. This suit-loving narcissist's threads stressed the philosophy of "acting like an alpha."

are you talking about maverick or whatever his name was lol

I can neither confirm nor deny that (but yes)

[QUOTE=sheridanm;50943206]5. d. is really interesting, Page 12. Go-to assumption is quite default in this thread. Not exactly related to this quote, but nonetheless relevant in my case it seems (No one can be at fault for that however). Said previously: No one in this thread is obligated to help others, but there's certain lines that have been crossed, have they not? I don't know how to speak on this quote in particular, but I've found a rather enticing article on it: [URL]http://elitedaily.com/life/male-ego-14-year-old-girl/1001940/[/URL][/QUOTE] why are you trying to link back a 50 page excerpt on emotional labor to how you were treated in this thread

I see he's continuing with the trend of ironic posts by misinterpreting a passage about internalized misogyny in order to defend himself for calling women sluts. [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] I'm interested to see how many times he plans to change the subject here in order to fish for an apology before he realizes it's not getting him anywhere.

I found this passage really interesting [quote] [B]Not so easy to just “find a better man” [/B] One of the things I’ve struggled with as a male feminist is understanding why women so readily put up with male bullshit; of course I’m not talking about cases where they live in fear of violence, but about those “normal” relationships in which the guy basically lets the woman do the housework and emotional labor. I’m guessing women tend to be far more worried about the relationship breaking down than men (and thus afraid of putting it at risk by confronting their partner), which makes sense because the guy is likely to have an easier time finding another partner, and he is far more likely to find a woman willing to let him get away with shit than she is to find a guy who’s significantly better than this one.[/quote] I find it interesting because a lot of a deal is made among guys about how hard it is to find the right woman - and you generally find the trend for example on apps like tinder is that the ratio of matches will heavily favour the girl because the guy says yes to everything So if guys are constantly making a huge deal about it being hard to find the right girl, and women find it very hard to find the right man, then the whole rhetoric of 'the girls in my town all suck' and all of that sort of falls apart I think that gendered experience is very singular and can be a huge challenge to a person's sense of empathy because the bridge is very hard to cross so to speak as it's an experience you really have to live to fully understand and the theory around it is I think pretty maligned by your average bloke

Absolutely. However, it is definitely a two way street. Sexism hurts everyone. men have plenty of their own issues to deal with, such as social pressures to be unemotional and to provide for their family. Every gender related issue has two sides to it - for instance, when we enforce strict dress codes for young girls in school, we are sending the message to young men that society does not expect them to be able to resist the temptation of an attractive woman. None of us can truly know what it is like to deal with the prejudice another group experiences. There are privileges that women have over men that I probably am unaware of because I take them for granted. Being white is an enormous privilege in America as well. We will never experience another person's struggle firsthand, but we can recognize our own blindness, embrace the dividers between us, and try to learn about others' experiences.

I want to share something I've been doing the last couple of years. Since I used to be extremely shy about anything physical(afraid to touch/kiss/ect), I felt like I was sabotaging my own dates since I could never find an appropriate moment to try to get a first kiss. I ended up inadvertently creating this method to easily get a kiss on my first dates. Call this whatever you want but I've explained it to some friends and it always ends up being referred to it as "the first date strat". It's very simple. Ask a girl out for a drink. Pick a bar that has pool tables. Invite her to play pool. After a game or two, ask if she wants to play for something. Offer to play her for a kiss on the cheek. Another great thing about this is you say you want a kiss on the cheek if you win, you ask what she wants if she wins, then you get a chance to gauge if she likes you or not based on what she says. Most of the girls I've asked on this have replied with the same thing, a kiss on the cheek. One girl once said to me that if she wins I have to take her to dinner sometime. So I secured a second date without even trying. You can't really go wrong with this because win or lose, you're having fun with the girl. I've long since matured and gotten over my shyness but I've kept on doing this on first dates because it's simple, it's fun, and it gives a lot of opportunity to talk and get to know them.

I do not fall in all that 'male feminism' shit. What is that i don't even? What i see everyday in our current society is that women got some advantages your average joe can only dream of. Don't start me up on this matter. I've dealed with several crazy whores lately.

[QUOTE=Kommunist;50944230] I've dealed with several crazy whores lately.[/QUOTE] Dude I agree with the sentiment of the first part of your statement (kinda... not entirely, because you seem to misunderstand what feminism even IS) but this second part fucking DESTROYS any legitimate statement you might have had

[QUOTE=Kommunist;50944230]I do not fall in all that 'male feminism' shit. What is that i don't even? What i see everyday in our current society is that women got some advantages your average joe can only dream of. Don't start me up on this matter. I've dealed with several crazy whores lately.[/QUOTE] Some pretty serious disadvantages, too. One such example: being degraded and harassed for not reciprocating sexual advances, or worse, fearing for their safety as a result of not reciprocating those sexual advances.

And you have that advantage of not having a 20% chance of being sexually assaulted and a 15% chance of the police even looking at your report if you are assaulted and have chosen to report it. You have the advantage of naturally being stronger than the average female bodybuilder and not having to worry about being overpowered by the man who has yelled "nice legs" at you when it is dark out and nobody else is around to hear. You have the advantage of not having to sit on a forum and listen to someone who has never met you call you a whore simply because they're the opposite sex of you.

[QUOTE=phygon;50944254]Dude I agree with the sentiment of the first part of your statement (kinda... not entirely, because you seem to misunderstand what feminism even IS) but this second part fucking DESTROYS any legitimate statement you might have had[/QUOTE] What i'm trying to say is that the so called 'feminism' is getting out of control already. I'm probably mad at all this (and i never gave a damn before) because how easy your ass can land in jail over false statements nowadays. I probably don't know what feminism is. Well, i never really cared about that. And i'm not even some mysoginistic asshole like some could think.

[QUOTE=Kommunist;50944274]What i'm trying to say is that the so called 'feminism' is getting out of control already. I'm probably mad at all this (and i never gave a damn before) because how easy your ass can land in jail over false statements nowadays. I probably don't know what feminism is. Well, i never really cared about that. And i'm not even some mysoginistic asshole like some could think.[/QUOTE] I don't know you well enough to say with any certainty whether or not you are a misogynistic asshole, but when you jump into the thread with an unsolicited ejaculation about "crazy whore feminists..." Well, you're not doing your image any favors.

Feminism means that men and women should be given equal opportunity. "Male feminism" literally just means being a man who supports this philosophy. There are some variations of it but the end goal is simply equality (even though the means aren't always logical). [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] Also, what false statements? If you're referring to false reports, the rate of false reports for sexual assault is the same as all other crimes.

[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;50944280]Feminism means that men and women should be given equal opportunity. "Male feminism" literally just means being a man who supports this philosophy. There are some variations of it but the end goal is simply equality (even though the means aren't always logical).[/QUOTE] I'm sorry if i'm being rude towards this movement or something, it's not what I pretend. I don't want to argue or anything but to satisfy a doubt I have. Isn't being male and feminist a contradiction in itself? Like, an oxymoron or something. I mean, look at the statistics. [img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8b/27/50/8b27503960fe73677f2d0a83241c2e34.jpg[/img] Again, i'm sorry. I don't want to turn this thread into some feminist vs non-feminist fighting ground :v:

[QUOTE=Kommunist;50944319]I'm sorry if i'm being rude towards this movement or something, it's not what I pretend. I don't want to argue or anything but to satisfy a doubt I have. Isn't being male and feminist a contradiction in itself? Like, an oxymoron or something. I mean, look at the statistics. [img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8b/27/50/8b27503960fe73677f2d0a83241c2e34.jpg[/img] Again, i'm sorry. I don't want to turn this thread into some feminist vs non-feminist fighting ground :v:[/QUOTE] The important part is to critically analyze both sides of the situation. That image isn't incorrect, but gender discrimination and problems happen both ways.

I'm glad you're asking these questions - it means you're trying to expand your views. I just wish you hadn't started out by calling women whores in your first post. As BDA said, it gives others a very bad impression of you. Men and women attempt suicide equally as often. The reason why more men die is because they tend to use more lethal methods, such as using a gun, while women are more likely to use less reliable methods such as overdosing on pills. Men have more workplace fatalities because they are more likely to work in risky work environments - women are generally not hired for manual labor because of lower physical strength. The others are less straightforward, but there is information on those topics if you seek it out. Beyond that, these only cover four extremely narrow statistics. I have had to lecture people many times that when we assume causation on statistics like this, we are the ones constructing a narrative. The readers, the uninformed, are the ones who will make snap judgements about why a correlation exists, but if you take a statistics class you will have it drilled into your head that correlation does not equal causation. These statistics are not caused by women oppressing men. No cultural phenomenon is that linear. [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] And I'm not sure why it's an oxymoron to say you are a man who believes in equal opportunity for women.

metallics is a prune who thinks shitposting is the best form of getting inside someones head. really he's just wanting that special someone to put him out of his misery. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Threadshitting" - Pascall))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;50944163]Absolutely. However, it is definitely a two way street. Sexism hurts everyone. men have plenty of their own issues to deal with, such as social pressures to be unemotional and to provide for their family. Every gender related issue has two sides to it - for instance, when we enforce strict dress codes for young girls in school, we are sending the message to young men that society does not expect them to be able to resist the temptation of an attractive woman. None of us can truly know what it is like to deal with the prejudice another group experiences. There are privileges that women have over men that I probably am unaware of because I take them for granted. Being white is an enormous privilege in America as well. We will never experience another person's struggle firsthand, but we can recognize our own blindness, embrace the dividers between us, and try to learn about others' experiences.[/QUOTE] This post is weird, and not in a sort of "it makes no sense" kind of way, but bizzarely because it resonates strongly with something in my work place. I work for a big corporation so "culture change initiatives come and go quicker than I change my socks, but the most recent one has stuck around longest I've seen, and whilst full of the usual corporate drivel is based around a set of "concepts", many of which are common sense but is just encouraging the workforce to think a bit more about them. One of these concepts is "blind spots" and is just simply asking do you know what you don't know and that post links so neatly with it. I guess in summary its weird that a corporate initiative actually has some relatable content? [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=sheridanm;50944457]:what: I find your lack of understanding very disturbing.[/QUOTE] I suspect nobody really cares what you think anymore [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Guy Mannly;50944358] Men and women attempt suicide equally as often. The reason why more men die is because they tend to use more lethal methods, such as using a gun, while women are more likely to use less reliable methods such as overdosing on pills. Men have more workplace fatalities because they are more likely to work in risky work environments - women are generally not hired for manual labor because of lower physical strength. The others are less straightforward, but there is information on those topics if you seek it out. Beyond that, these only cover four extremely narrow statistics. I have had to lecture people many times that when we assume causation on statistics like this, we are the ones constructing a narrative. The readers, the uninformed, are the ones who will make snap judgements about why a correlation exists, but if you take a statistics class you will have it drilled into your head that [B]correlation does not equal causation[/B]. These statistics are not caused by women oppressing men. No cultural phenomenon is that linear. [/QUOTE] [url]https://xkcd.com/925/[/url]

On the topic i would like to say that i find annoying the fact that males have to be the ones that start the approach. I will like to know feminist pov on the matter as well

[QUOTE=Kommunist;50944886]On the topic i would like to say that i find annoying the fact that males have to be the ones that start the approach. I will like to know feminist pov on the matter as well[/QUOTE] The feminist pov is that men see women as trophies they gotta get I'm not sure you need the feminist pov anyway

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50944956]The feminist pov is that men see women as trophies they gotta get I'm not sure you need the feminist pov anyway[/QUOTE] So automatically they assume we see them as trophies and as objects, regardless of how we really feel about them? Seems like backwards thinking. No wait, it is backwards thinking. If they really cared about equality we wouldn't be having this conversation right now, but by having this conversation they've lost to a default because we have everything in our power to prove them wrong. Just like I have just now. Also about the perspective thing, change that to projectile vomiting and that's pretty much the just of it. I chose to be bitter with this post because I don't want to sugar coat it for you white knighting "alpha" dogs trying to score goody points. You're nothing but metas in alpha clothing. I speak the truth, no matter how much you hate it or how bitter you see me. You can blabber all you want about how YOU think I actually am, but that doesn't stop what is actually important: That you're labeling someone a certain way just because you want to, just because they didn't say the same PC things you did or agree with you. But in a sense that doesn't make me unique, it just means I don't care and don't have to. Thus I am done with this mad cow disease of a thread. Good day to you all.

That's enough, buddy pal. [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kommunist;50944886]On the topic i would like to say that i find annoying the fact that males have to be the ones that start the approach. I will like to know feminist pov on the matter as well[/QUOTE] ??? They don't have to. Every person has a preference. I've been the one to initiate my last five relationships because that's a thing I like to do. A lot of women have an old perception that a man should be the one to approach them because if they approach a man, it gives off the impression of desperation. It's an inadvertent vicious cycle of societal expectations that makes no one happy. People are raised with certain ideals and are not always brave enough to break free of what's expected of them. I did because having to wait around for a guy to approach me when I know we're both interested is nerve wracking and causes me stress so I say fuck it I'm going for it. You don't have to be the one that approaches. If you want someone to approach you instead then that's totally valid.

did r/theredpill have a sewage leak or something lately?? newsflash guys : if you instantly start off a post by calling girls "feminist crazy whores" or "single forever sluts", you're probably the problem

On that note, harassing people on their profile is a bannable offense, even if they're being shitty. So don't do that.

[QUOTE=Tools;50916139]Girlfriend texted me tonight, said she remembered why she hated parties. Went to visit, seemed like a sex and coke party, her too drunk to remember she even texted. Left after an hour, told her she should stay if she wanted and she did. I feel like shit and never been so disappointed, not sure what to do.[/QUOTE] Turns out she cheated on me that night, with the host of the party. She feels like shit about it, but I don't know what I should do anymore.

[QUOTE=Tools;50945148]Turns out she cheated on me that night, with the host of the party. She feels like shit about it, but I don't know what I should do anymore.[/QUOTE] Leaving her would be a good start. Edit: wouldn't date someone who did coke to begin with.

Yeah that seems like it could've been avoided by not going to that type of party. I feel like there are only so many reasons to go to a "sex and coke" party and neither seem good. I would talk to her but ultimately, it seems like she probably knew at least in part what she was doing.