[QUOTE=Riller;51036129]Wait what?
First off, did you forget the several-stories high piles of rubble spread across the whole block and blowing holes in the surrounding buildings? Second, what does your theory, whatever it might be, then claim to have happened to this 'vaporized' steel? Where did it go? What made it go away that proves it was Bush?[/QUOTE]
I think that those types of people expected the rubble to basically be nothing but raw steel, which is not how buildings work. Most of the steel is going to be concrete rebar. Which is steel embedded in the concrete structure.
A bridge collapsing would likely have tons of raw steel in the rubble. But not a building, because most of it is in the concrete bits that make up the debris.
a fucking aeroplane crashes into a building, full speed and topples after an hour yet that is seen to be suspicious
god almighty
You're all wrong, it was CGI all along.
[video=youtube;2c5_g7UTuGM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c5_g7UTuGM[/video]
[QUOTE=marcoman99;51037258]You're all wrong, it was CGI all along.
[video=youtube;2c5_g7UTuGM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c5_g7UTuGM[/video][/QUOTE]
Is this satire? I legit can't tell.
What worries me is that there's a good amount of 9/11 "truthers" commenting in every 9/11 related video including the debunk ones. I guess that's the nature of confirmation bias.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;51036261]Some people are defensive against the idea that something as simple as a plane crashing into a building could do so much damage - [I]no, there has to be something more. There has to be a bigger reason for all of this. Our reality can't be this fragile.[/I]
It's the same thing with Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists.[/QUOTE]
i don't want to get off-topic, but sandy hook did have some seriously shady shit to it. i don't want to sound horrible by saying they could have at least shown us some security footage of the dingus walking down the hall in his loadout, but they could have at least put that up like they posted the columbine footage all over the nation.
on another note, i got bored one day and tested out the structural integrity mechanic of medieval engineers by trying out two tower designs, one being a big empty rectangle and the other having a grid pattern, and proceeded to hit them in more or less the same spots as where the planes crashed. both towers came crumbling down. no thermite involved.
[QUOTE=Pops;51037735]
on another note, i got bored one day and tested out the structural integrity mechanic of medieval engineers by trying out two tower designs, one being a big empty rectangle and the other having a grid pattern, and proceeded to hit them in more or less the same spots as where the planes crashed. both towers came crumbling down. no thermite involved.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring how many parameters your test failed to include, we don't rely on game physics engines for simulations.
[video=youtube;TJNzaMRsN00]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00[/video]
We use physical ones instead when we cant simulate them on the computer
[QUOTE=Tobin;51037876]Holy fucking shit 40:44 are you kidding me[/QUOTE]
He goes on a tangent and sings for 5 or 6 minutes but the guy goes into video compositing for live television for rest of the video. Its a very good one if you can get past some of the fringe
[QUOTE=marcoman99;51037258]You're all wrong, it was CGI all along.
[video=youtube;2c5_g7UTuGM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c5_g7UTuGM[/video][/QUOTE]
Holy fucking shit 40:44 are you kidding me
what about the people being told to not go in to work that day, what about the insurance papers filed 2 weeks prior to the attacks that fortunately happened to cover terrorism
[editline]12th September 2016[/editline]
what people dont get is that it didnt have to be steel beams melting or composite video editing, a false flag could just as well be two real planes really crashing into two towers that really burned to the ground
[QUOTE=Pops;51037735]i don't want to get off-topic, but sandy hook did have some seriously shady shit to it. i don't want to sound horrible by saying they could have at least shown us some security footage of the dingus walking down the hall in his loadout, but they could have at least put that up like they posted the columbine footage all over the nation.
on another note, i got bored one day and tested out the structural integrity mechanic of medieval engineers by trying out two tower designs, one being a big empty rectangle and the other having a grid pattern, and proceeded to hit them in more or less the same spots as where the planes crashed. both towers came crumbling down. no thermite involved.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to the father of one of the Sandy Hook victims who tried everything he could to tell the Alex Jones nut jobs that his son was really killed. He showed them his birth certificate, his death certificate, photo albums, and all kinds of stuff, and they literally wouldn't stop until he dug the body up.
I would guess that the body wouldn't satisfy their lust for information either, because they can always make up a story to suit their needs. I don't think you're one of the crazies - you're just curious. But the legitimate conspiracy theorists would have probably said "it's someone else's body" or some crazy ass shit. That's the problem with conspiracy theories - if they were substantial theories, they would just be called theories, or evidence, or anything, really. Keeping an open mind is one thing, but the lunge towards bullshit isn't okay, and I won't excuse people for jumping to bullshit.
You have people like Snowden whistleblowing over something like the NSA, which deals with our privacy. What's keeping people quiet about [I]literal murders[/I] happening with Sandy Hook? What's the incentive, and why wouldn't there be anyone that cracks about the situation? Even if there aren't murders, why wouldn't there be any loose lips? And if you magnify this to the scale of 9/11, it becomes so incredibly complicated that I just don't believe that secrecy to the extent of thousands of lives being destroyed would ever be possible.
[QUOTE=Egevened;51037990]what about the people being told to not go in to work that day, what about the insurance papers filed 2 weeks prior to the attacks that fortunately happened to cover terrorism
[editline]12th September 2016[/editline]
what people dont get is that it didnt have to be steel beams melting or composite video editing, a false flag could just as well be two real planes really crashing into two towers that really burned to the ground[/QUOTE]
I went searching for this insurance claim and found this wonderful post on a different forum explaining how he didn't make any money at all. (click for bigger)
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Fo3OdOl.png[/t]
And [url=https://www.metabunk.org/larry-silversteins-9-11-insurance.t2375/page-2#post-188273]link[/url] if you want to read those attachments.
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Oh, and that not going into work thing seems to have come from a misinterpreted news report, at least from what snopes says here:
[url]http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp[/url]
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;51035803]You're wasting your time trying to convince people on this forum, they'll never accept it.
They still believe that simple office fires and minor structural damage brings down a 47 story skycraper in 9 seconds and that tens of thousands of tons of untouched structural steel just vaporizes .[/QUOTE]
i guess you also believe the earth is flat and that we didn't go to the moon
[QUOTE=Katatonic717;51037313]Is this satire? I legit can't tell.[/QUOTE]
It's legit, never mind the thousands of eye witnesses and the amateur footage, it was all just CGI!
If it's the same video I'm thinking of (I'm not fucking watching 44 minutes to find out) the crux of this video hinges on the usage of a luma key. The issue is that if a luma key were used, the explosion occurring on the opposite side of the building would become transparent due to the brightness, revealing the plane. So in real time, they isolated the buildings, added them as an additional layer, implemented a luma key to do so, had a fake plane fly in, and somehow detonated the explosives at the correct moment for all of it to line up.
Somebody did a debunk video pointing of this glaring error regarding the luma key, the author responded with a stupid excuse about how the live footage didn't have the explosion on the other side of the building, but it was added later to hide the nose of the plane (even though it's clearly visible.) No such footage exists of course. That's ignoring the possibility of people recording or DVRing the report at the time.
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;51035803]You're wasting your time trying to convince people on this forum, they'll never accept it.
They still believe that simple office fires and minor structural damage brings down a 47 story skycraper in 9 seconds and that tens of thousands of tons of untouched structural steel just vaporizes .[/QUOTE]
I don't understand why the government (or anyone) would have planted explosives in the buildings. Crashing two planes into the WTC would have been a very successful operation even if the towers didn't entirely collapse. Sabotaging the towers in advance would have massively jeopardised the secrecy of the attack for very little gain.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;51038624]That video really takes a dump on scale and similar materials and circumstances. No shit that plastic pizza covers can survive shit dropping on it. Besides that computer models can be very accurate but us normal people rarely get to see and play with as it would be like watching paint dry for all the calculations it need to do.[/QUOTE]
I fucking love how irrational truthers are when it comes to their selective evidence.
On the video of the guy easily bending the metal rod when it was heated to ~jet fuel burning~ levels: "But you didn't melt it! Your explanations are false and you're trying to hard to cover it up."
Some guy sticks MASSIVE metal rods in terms of scale with some pizza boxes thrown in: "You see this proves things"
[QUOTE=Katatonic717;51036292]The thing that bothers me the very most about crazy conspiracy theorists is that the US government does countless shady and horrible things every day, but these conspiracy theorists choose to not focus on that stuff.
Issues like oil companies buying out politicians to block alternative energy sources from getting the support they need so oil can continue to be our main source of energy so they can line their pockets with more cash despite that fact that at our current consumption rates we are going to run out of oil by around 2050 by some more generous estimations which will drive humanity into a new dark age and billions will die and our way of life will cease to exist
Nah that aint a problem, nothing to worry about, lets scream about how 9/11 was faked or that the moon landing didn't happen. It's totally not like there are people in positions of power who would much rather you worry about 9/11 conspiracies rather than very real issues.[/QUOTE]what if the true conspiracy is that all these satanic extradimensional flat hollow earth holographic illuminati NWO reptilians were invented by rich fucks to distract over-analytical nutjobs from the real issues?
Its interesting that there was only select mention of questions about structural integrity etc etc etc yet the thread has turned into this.
Forgetting the 3000 deaths, or the terrorist attack itself.
This was the event that basically lead to the invasion of 3 countries, in one of which where the US government "lost" billions and billions in cash.
There are plenty of questions to ask. Perhaps not on the conspiracy theorist level of the attacks, the pilots and such but more oriented to the events that took place as a result of 9/11. The human cost alone is great enough to warrant such questions.
The sheer ineptitude of the US government and all of its branches and complete unaccountability for its record, its actions and its control is the biggest unanswered question.
It seems that the US as a whole has been more interested in talking about Obama's birth certificate, Trump's hair style and Hillary's health than making a government that has run amok actually answer to its own people.
If you don't think that the recent wars and political turmoil in several regions of the world (especially when you look at the US' historic record of involvement in other conflicts) then you are worse than the most bat-shit conspiracy theorist out there.
The US is in such a fantastic state of disarray with crumbling infrastructure, an ineffectual government, a tax system which doesn't seem to work and facing a plethora of other issues but by the time people stand up to notice the time for action will be gone.
Planes weighing 100+ tons flying 100's of miles and the best response people could come up with is either "It's CGI" or "The Twin Towers could stand that."
Your response to people being cunts is that "No, other people were being cunts instead."
You fools, this is clearly how 9/11 actually happened:
[video=youtube;P1ULjJ3EqyY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY[/video]
:mysterysolved:
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;51038678]I fucking love how irrational truthers are when it comes to their selective evidence.
On the video of the guy easily bending the metal rod when it was heated to ~jet fuel burning~ levels: "But you didn't melt it! Your explanations are false and you're trying to hard to cover it up."
Some guy sticks MASSIVE metal rods in terms of scale with some pizza boxes thrown in: "You see this proves things"[/QUOTE]
It's because the predetermined conclusion is already set. The goal that they have is already there. It's seriously the basis for "alternative" anything. Alternative medicine, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists... they all have a motive that trumps factual evidence. No matter how much many of them try to express that other people are blind for the sake of allegiance, many are blind for the sake of personal defense. Skinheads don't want to believe that they are responsible for their own problems, and so they scapegoat minorities. It's hard for a mother to accept that their child lost the genetic lottery and gave birth to an autistic child, and so that anger gets channeled towards the medical field. Someone dying of cancer really wants to believe that eating peppers will rid them of cancer since chemotherapy is painful or chemotherapy isn't working. And to make matters worse, there are people who are ready to lead the way for a price. There are newsletters for these movements, with their respective celebrity figures that make a living being sensational.
What all of these people gloss over is the fact that actual people have died or are suffering. They will mention these things, but only as it applies to their real-world ARG and only as a personal motive for their defense mechanisms. That's why the crazies harass Sandy Hook victims' parents. That's why people harassed the owner of the Twin Towers. Conspiracy theorists are desperate to validate their idea of the world be it through desperation or mental illness (which is an unfortunate factor too, what with paranoia), that they selfishly reorient the world to make sense for them, since reality is too arbitrary for them. Everything has to happen for a reason - not in terms of cause and effect (i.e. "There is a probability that babies are caused by autism due to the nature of human development"), but in terms of an enemy that can specifically be hated and fought ("Autism is caused by vaccines").
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51039392]You fools, this is clearly how 9/11 actually happened:
[video=youtube;P1ULjJ3EqyY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY[/video]
:mysterysolved:[/QUOTE]
Not as good as Supertramp's Breakfast In America. This was from the 70s.
[t]http://img.cinemablend.com/cb/e/f/7/c/1/f/ef7c1f09e5f018a7457e23c2112aac38a819bb2ee108adcd69691899baa73d1c.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Pops;51037735]i don't want to get off-topic, but sandy hook did have some seriously shady shit to it. i don't want to sound horrible by saying they could have at least shown us some security footage of the dingus walking down the hall in his loadout, but they could have at least put that up like they posted the columbine footage all over the nation.
[/QUOTE]
What shady shit?
[QUOTE=Riller;51036321]Osama 'worked' for the CIA in the same way that FSA and SDF in Syria work for the CIA. He wasn't ever given a tour of their main office and a fuckin' hall-pass, he was shipped a crate of stinger-missiles and a 'good hunting' note.[/QUOTE]
Not even that. Osama very often gloated about how he had never received western support, he was never in the CIA's pocket.
[editline]12th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Egevened;51037990]what about the people being told to not go in to work that day, what about the insurance papers filed 2 weeks prior to the attacks that fortunately happened to cover terrorism[/QUOTE]
evil us government apparently told a bunch of random people not to go into work and forgot to send phone calls to the several thousand who died
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;51041128]What shady shit?[/QUOTE]
well, depends on how far along the tinfoil you want to go. something along the lines of the weapons and shit shown not being concrete evidence, no video cameras, no morgue leaks, people who are the parents are apparently actors, some lawyer lady who repped the aurora shooter and then was again seen defending the boston bomber had some connection with this too i think. a lot of fluff, really.
oh, and the big kicker (and only legit one imo), the web cache date showing a few support pages being made almost a week before the shooting.
People seem to forget that the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" meme comes from the evening evidence that there was molten(liquid) metal.
To add another video to the pile
[video]https://youtu.be/5d5iIoCiI8g[/video]
Tbh I don't know what to think of 9/11 anymore, let alone 'whodunit'
[QUOTE=Pops;51041576]well, depends on how far along the tinfoil you want to go. something along the lines of the weapons and shit shown not being concrete evidence, no video cameras, no morgue leaks, people who are the parents are apparently actors, some lawyer lady who repped the aurora shooter and then was again seen defending the boston bomber had some connection with this too i think. a lot of fluff, really.
oh, and the big kicker (and only legit one imo), the web cache date showing a few support pages being made almost a week before the shooting.[/QUOTE]
All the stuff in your top paragraph is easily explainable or easily debunked bullshit. As is the cache date, bullshit which was created by people who have no idea how the cache dates work.
I mean, just on its face, imagine, a super top secret conspiracy, but someone was too lazy to wait and post the support pages until after the shooting. Its ridiculous
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;51041845]All the stuff in your top paragraph is easily explainable or easily debunked bullshit. As is the cache date, bullshit which was created by people who have no idea how the cache dates work.
I mean, just on its face, imagine, a super top secret conspiracy, but someone was too lazy to wait and post the support pages until after the shooting. Its ridiculous[/QUOTE]
Oh I know, but watching /pol/ shit themselves over it was entertaining as hell.
The biggest problem with every conspiracy theory of a scale this large is that you have to believe the governments of the world are capable of keeping a secret this big.
That's keeping everyone involved quiet; military and government personnel, the people who would have surveyed the buildings for the ideal place to put explosives, the people who actually PUT the explosives, the people who organised the planes, the people who trained the pilots...
Given how incompetent these governments have been over the last decade, I don't think it's possible to even organise something like this and keep it secret, let alone actually do it.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51041964]The biggest problem with every conspiracy theory of a scale this large is that you have to believe the governments of the world are capable of keeping a secret this big.
That's keeping everyone involved quiet; military and government personnel, the people who would have surveyed the buildings for the ideal place to put explosives, the people who actually PUT the explosives, the people who organised the planes, the people who trained the pilots...
Given how incompetent these governments have been over the last decade, I don't think it's possible to even organise something like this and keep it secret, let alone actually do it.[/QUOTE]
nah, they just sub-contract all the work to the cia.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51041964]The biggest problem with every conspiracy theory of a scale this large is that you have to believe the governments of the world are capable of keeping a secret this big.
That's keeping everyone involved quiet; military and government personnel, the people who would have surveyed the buildings for the ideal place to put explosives, the people who actually PUT the explosives, the people who organised the planes, the people who trained the pilots...
Given how incompetent these governments have been over the last decade, I don't think it's possible to even organise something like this and keep it secret, let alone actually do it.[/QUOTE]
It should be kept in mind - you do not have know you are an accessory, to be an accessory.
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