Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;46013380]and this is the first time 4chan has been censored to this degree. [/QUOTE] no it isnt. This kinda crap has happened quite a few times before - mods start (rightfully, in most cases) removing threads about a certain topic, everyone panics and flocks to other, smaller non-official chans and boards for a while then eventually it all blows over and everything is back to normal

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46013434][url]https://archive.today/viR02[/url] Meh why even mention that place.[/QUOTE] I'll edit my post accordingly, thanks.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46013429]I havent even given a fuck about Milo until the mailing list article, because its an article with proof of what its talking about, and the guy at least showed some fucking effort in being a journalist compared to some other people. As for his other shit, and if hes just doing this for some gain, I dont know, time will tell, but I dont even see myself caring about him ever outside this small little instance, assuming he can keep providing evidence.[/QUOTE] That's good, that's exactly what I'm asking.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46013298]Or, more likely, he's an opportunist with an extremely blatant political agenda[/QUOTE] The thing about Milo is his biases don't necessarily need to distort the truth directly, but rather his bias can be on what he does and doesn't report. Everything he shows can very well be valid, but he obviously isn't going to show the negative side of what he supports. Ironically the mailing list shows that most other news sites will also refuse to show the other side of what they support.

Regardless of what happens now, Pandora's Box has been opened. It cannot be closed.

[QUOTE=warneccruid;46012513][url]https://twitter.com/420KushGamer420/status/512597417255268352[/url] WTF moot has really sold out.[/QUOTE] I'm not so sure about this. Based on his past tweets, I think the guy is a stereotypical SA Goon (extremely self-loathing nerd, sense of humor built around "irony" and sarcasm) instead of being the 4chan type. I'm willing to bet that he's one of the guys involved with the original raid that had trolls try to mimic stereotypical 4chan users (badly) or is patrolling 4chan for any sort of pro-GG stuff to use as ammo later against GG.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46013522][URL="https://archive.today/tJHI4"]Addressing allegations of “collusion” among gaming journalists[/URL][/QUOTE] I believe him

[URL="http://www.hitbox.tv/kingofpol"]http://www.hitbox.tv/kingofpol[/URL] 8chan founder being interviewed.

What I find funny is how aggressively counter-GG /v/ has become. Barely a week ago, everyone was in on it, and now even talking about journalists being shit will get you flamed to hell and back. I guess that's just how /v/ works these days: Get hyped as shit, someone says "NO!", then spend the rest of your lives rejecting the idea that you've ever even liked it.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46013614]I believe him[/QUOTE] I believe he probably had good intentions when he started the group. Whether other people hijacked the group is a different story. He openly admitted to letting his emotions taint his objectivity at least once. I think this is one of the first articles admitting some sort of fault. It's kind of a half apology though since he still doesn't see anything wrong with what was done, he threw his co-workers under the bus, and he still implied the ethical issues revolving around GG are bogus. It's a good sign though. It's much harder to dismiss the mailing list and the ethical questions that result from it than personal relationships are, especially once someone involved admits fault. Even one apology, even a half apology means bad business for everyone else that doesn't apologize.

Did anybody post the article Erik Kain wrote a while back? That seems to cover things nicely.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;46013721]I believe he probably had good intentions when he started the group. Whether other people hijacked the group is a different story. He openly admitted to letting his emotions taint his objectivity at least once. I think this is one of the first articles admitting some sort of fault. It's kind of a half apology though since he still doesn't see anything wrong with what was done, he threw his co-workers under the bus, and he still implied the ethical issues revolving around GG are bogus. It's a good sign though. It's much harder to dismiss the mailing list and the ethical questions that result from it than personal relationships are, especially once someone involved admits fault. Even one apology, even a half apology means bad business for everyone else that doesn't apologize.[/QUOTE] It sounds like the group is just professional journalists discussing with each other. There's nothing wrong with that. Part of the job is maintaining connections. There's no secret journalist illuminati where they control what each other publishes. At best they can offer suggestions, but it's ultimately up to the writer. He said his objectivity was compromised, but he never acted on it. Other people cooled him down to make him realize his rashness.

[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;46013679][URL="http://www.hitbox.tv/kingofpol"]http://www.hitbox.tv/kingofpol[/URL] 8chan founder being interviewed.[/QUOTE] Was just about to post this. Also Milo is in there too.

Okay, to the both of you. Venezulan and Killer. [B]Are you kidding me?[/B] You keep talking about how we're not getting more people and that we need to start convincing people to bring them over to GamerGate and when that does happen, because they turn out to be conservative there's obviously an ulterior motive. Are you kidding me? If your standards are so set so god damn high why do you list to any form of media from the left? They're just as leaning heavily on political agenda as they conservatives but because they match up with what you think is the truth they're worth more. There's no winning if we were follow your standards.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46013786]It sounds like the group is just professional journalists discussing with each other. There's nothing wrong with that. Part of the job is maintaining connections. There's no secret journalist illuminati where they control what each other publishes. At best they can offer suggestions, but it's ultimately up to the writer. He said his objectivity was compromised, but he never acted on it. Other people cooled him down to make him realize his rashness.[/QUOTE] You can't really say there's nothing wrong with it when you have yet to see most of the e-mails.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46013875]Okay, to the both of you. Venezulan and Killer. [B]Are you kidding me?[/B] You keep talking about how we're not getting more people and that we need to start convincing people to bring them over to GamerGate and when that does happen, because they turn out to be conservative there's obviously an ulterior motive. Are you kidding me? If your standards are so set so god damn high why do you list to any form of media from the left? They're just as leaning heavily on political agenda as they conservatives but because they match up with what you think is the truth they're worth more. There's no winning if we were follow your standards.[/QUOTE] I don't watch MSNBC for the same reason I don't watch Fox. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=CcZero;46013918]You can't really say there's nothing wrong with it when you have yet to see most of the e-mails.[/QUOTE] And you can say there's something wrong without seeing the emails? Innocent until proven guilty.

If I've ever cited any news source as far left as Breitbart is right than I apologize profusely Also gamergate doesn't need mainstream press. It's a gamer issue and all gamers are aware. The dip in web traffic to game journalism sites is basically all the victory you need

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46013932]I don't watch MSNBC for the same reason I don't watch Fox. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] And you can say there's something wrong without seeing the emails?[/QUOTE] I don't think I did. I do believe that skepticism is called for due to that collective post of "Gamers are dead" line of articles. It points towards this line of communication between the different "news" sites. Debunking it before Milo has finished his schemes is a bit overzealous though.

[QUOTE=CcZero;46014007]I don't think I did. I do believe that skepticism is called for due to that collective post of "Gamers are dead" line of articles. It points towards this line of communication between the different "news" sites. Debunking it before Milo has finished his schemes is a bit overzealous though.[/QUOTE] Is there any connection to those articles and the email list? Journalists aren't a singular group and can form smaller groups. The people who published those articles could have no relation to this.

Milo (I think?) just discussed the fact that he has an agenda on the stream. Yes, he does, but you shouldn't let that stop you from supporting his endeavors to support the cause.

I'm not going to lie, I'm quickly losing a lot of support for #GamerGate because of how knee jerk everyone is, how absurd these conspiracy theories are becoming, and how fast people are to support/oppose someone based on a single article.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014035]Is there any connection to those articles and the email list? Journalists aren't a singular group and can form smaller groups. The people who published those articles could have no relation to this.[/QUOTE] That's a real possibility, yes. That's why I'm only calling for skepticism against them and not a public crucifixion. [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014060]I'm not going to lie, I'm quickly losing a lot of support for #GamerGate because of how knee jerk everyone is, how absurd these conspiracy theories are becoming, and how fast people are to support/oppose someone based on a single article.[/QUOTE] If you're referring to me I'm a bit disappointed.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014060]I'm not going to lie, I'm quickly losing a lot of support for #GamerGate because of how knee jerk everyone is, how absurd these conspiracy theories are becoming, and how fast people are to support/oppose someone based on a single article.[/QUOTE] What conspiracies are you talking about? At the moment it seems like a lot of what people have suspected has actually turned out to be true.

[QUOTE=CcZero;46014076]If you're referring to me I'm a bit disappointed.[/QUOTE] Not you. I think I'm just reading the tone of your words wrong. But there are a lot of other people on this page that fits what I described

[QUOTE=capital;46014085]What conspiracies are you talking about? At the moment it seems like a lot of what people have suspected has actually turned out to be true.[/QUOTE] Unlike "omg conservatives are going to fuck everything up and bring apocalypse and ban the gay in gamergate". None of Adam's or Milo's agendas turned out to matter so far.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014060]I'm not going to lie, I'm quickly losing a lot of support for #GamerGate because of how knee jerk everyone is, how absurd these conspiracy theories are becoming, and how fast people are to support/oppose someone based on a single article.[/QUOTE] I find that too. I started out finding the whole thing ridiculous (I think the initial spark of Zoe Quinn cheating still is) then wavered a bit when there was some actual corruption discovered. Now that people are willing to jump on the slightest sliver of a connection or unverified rumor, though, I find it less appealing. It's really fizzled out after a strong middle. People in here are talking about 'using' deeply reactionary media to root out corruption but I think they'll find very quickly that the media is just as interested in using them.

[QUOTE=capital;46014085]What conspiracies are you talking about? At the moment it seems like a lot of what people have suspected has actually turned out to be true.[/QUOTE] At first, some of them were valid, but now it seems like it's becoming a war against game journalists period.

[QUOTE=Denicide;46014137]I find that too. I started out finding the whole thing ridiculous (I think the initial spark of Zoe Quinn cheating still is) then wavered a bit when there was some actual corruption discovered. Now that people are willing to jump on the slightest sliver of a connection or unverified rumor, though, I find it less appealing. It's really fizzled out after a strong middle. People in here are talking about 'using' deeply reactionary media to root out corruption but I think they'll find very quickly that the media is just as interested in using them.[/QUOTE] People are just rightfully pissed that they're being censored. Wait for everyone who supports Gamergate to move to sites like 8chan, and we'll get back to our regularly-scheduled event.

So do you doubtful ones feel that the suspicion regarding foul play with the gmail group is a baseless conspiracy?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014146]At first, some of them were valid, but now it seems like it's becoming a war against game journalists period.[/QUOTE]A war they started.