Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Denicide;46014137]I find that too. I started out finding the whole thing ridiculous (I think the initial spark of Zoe Quinn cheating still is) then wavered a bit when there was some actual corruption discovered. Now that people are willing to jump on the slightest sliver of a connection or unverified rumor, though, I find it less appealing. It's really fizzled out after a strong middle. People in here are talking about 'using' deeply reactionary media to root out corruption but I think they'll find very quickly that the media is just as interested in using them.[/QUOTE] Nobody has pure intentions in a huge social event like this. Movements like this work when they stop squabbling over who's more progressive/conservative (depending on the subject) or who's using who and take advantage of the information given to them and use it to their advantage.

[QUOTE=CcZero;46014188]So do you doubtful ones feel that the suspicion regarding foul play with the gmail group is a baseless conspiracy?[/QUOTE] I think that group is a red herring

[QUOTE=CcZero;46014188]So do you doubtful ones feel that the suspicion regarding foul play with the gmail group is a baseless conspiracy?[/QUOTE] Pretty much, yeah. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any professions doing news without similar lists.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46014213]A war they started.[/QUOTE] Proving my point. Game journalists are people too, but at this point you're willing to target anyone wearing that badge.

[QUOTE=Denicide;46014248]Pretty much, yeah. I think you'd be hard pressed to find any professions doing news without similar lists.[/QUOTE] Actually, said lists have received heavy flak for existing and were disbanded after being exposed.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014251]Proving my point. Game journalists are people too, but at this point you're willing to target anyone wearing that badge.[/QUOTE] We are not. Biggest example is the Escapist, who has revised their stances and discussion rules for the better over all this, as in, it is allowed now, and both sides of the discussion are welcome to be heard. The biggest targets for the movement are the game journo site who still can't stop treating their readers like utter crap, and only show one side to the whole scandal, while silencing anyone of the competition.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46013167]The real thoughts of Milo, who has been covering gamergate on Breitbart [T]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxy5Og3CUAAEzmN.png[/t] [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/14/Players-as-young-as-12-and-13-are-being-raped-by-dorky-weirdos-on-Grand-Theft-Auto[/url] Here's him blaming Elliott Rodgers on video games [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/27/virgin-killer-was-not-a-misogynist-but-a-madman[/url] So basically definitely don't rally around this guy[/QUOTE] Nice ad hominem. So everything he posts should be ignored and all the evidence he digs up is useless because of an opinion or past mistakes? Yeah sure thing.

[QUOTE=Wii60;45848965]general reminder that would do well everywhere this is talked about [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/wiTbxmE.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] reposting this

[QUOTE=Jordax;46014294]We are not. Biggest example is the Escapist, who has revised their stances and discussion rules for the better over all this, as in, it is allowed now, and both sides of the discussion are welcome to be heard. The biggest targets for the movement are the game journo site who still can't stop treating their readers like utter crap, and only show one side to the whole scandal, while silencing anyone of the competition.[/QUOTE] Then focus on them instead of casting the net on every game journalist

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46011770]A few of you may have seen my posting in #gamergate related threads recently and many of you have dismissed me as a troll or a shitposter. Well, I'd like to come in here and make a reasonable, open post discussing my side of the story to hopefully clear the air. A few weeks ago I was contacted by an anonymous email. I do not know how they got my address but, as far as I can tell, they probably got it from one of my steam friends. To make a long story short: everything people are saying about "higher powers," "campaigns of censorship," and "DDoS" attacks are completely true. I was paid in no small-sum of Applebees Gift Cards to post anti-gamergate arguments across a number of forums under a number of different alts and aliases. However, when Commander Sarkeesian saw that mere internet arguments weren't making the grade, the Pink Hand switched on their PsyOps division and began a campaign of earnest censorship. I was offered a position in the elite Darknet Anti-Intel team but when I saw that 4chan, bastion of freethought, was being censored I realized we had gone too far. Unfortunately, the Illfeminati does not like those who abandon their posts and I fear that... wait... what's that nois[/QUOTE] Why are you such a hypocritical joke of a person? You yourself often have said that these kinds of posts are of no value but yet, here you are.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014251]Proving my point. Game journalists are people too, but at this point you're willing to target anyone wearing that badge.[/QUOTE] Yeah, targeting journalists collectively is pretty dumb. I think a lot of this would go away if some of the more vocal anti-gg people admitted some sort of fault, or if one of the larger media platforms validated some of the concerns of the people in the gg camp. People are out for blood right now when people should be out to build something better. Transparency and humility are probably the best things we can shoot for. Right now the anti-gg crowd is untouchable even though they've wronged a number of people. No one can move forward if only one side is making compromises. Both sides have to admit some degree of fault and at least try to work together.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014308]Then focus on them instead of casting the net on every game journalist[/QUOTE] No one has done this. There's a very pleasant game journalist on the stream right now.

moot's sticky on /v/ about "gamergate threads are banned" is gone. though since ive discovered 8chan for #gg discussion i dont know if i could go back, even if moot is backpedaling.

I think KillerJaguar is trying to say that we shouldn't condemn sites over one journalist. I disagree with that statement, because it is more complex than that. I could be wrong though.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46014361]moot's sticky on /v/ about "gamergate threads are banned" is gone. though since ive discovered 8chan for #gg discussion i dont know if i could go back, even if moot is backpedaling.[/QUOTE] /v/ is being bombarded by anti-gg comments, but i don't know whether it's shitposters crawling out of the woodworks now they have the mod's support or people coming from a different site

[QUOTE=Fangz;46014371] I disagree with that statement, because it is more complex than that. I could be wrong though.[/QUOTE] You are not. Any article on Internet media site has to be looked at by the editorial staff. If it isn't, that site isn't worth its shit. And since it is, the entire editorial team is directly responsible for every single article posted, including the ones with a small shameful tag "Editorial doesn't necessarily agree or approve of the opinion of the author".

[QUOTE=Fangz;46014371]I think KillerJaguar is trying to say that we shouldn't condemn sites over one journalist. I disagree with that statement, because it is more complex than that. I could be wrong though.[/QUOTE] It's a sub-point. My main point is that #GamerGate is losing its original intent and is at a point where they'll take anything that could be construed as negative, without questioning it or the source posting it, as fact of corruption.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;46014333]Yeah, targeting journalists collectively is pretty dumb. I think a lot of this would go away if some of the more vocal anti-gg people admitted some sort of fault, or if one of the larger media platforms validated some of the concerns of the people in the gg camp. People are out for blood right now when people should be out to build something better. Transparency and humility are probably the best things we can shoot for. Right now the anti-gg crowd is untouchable even though they've wronged a number of people. No one can move forward if only one side is making compromises. Both sides have to admit some degree of fault and at least try to work together.[/QUOTE] If gamergate compromises when no sjw will, what will that say about our convictions that there's something important here? That were dead wrong. We're not, but an admission will se em like that.

[QUOTE=No_0ne;46014406]/v/ is being bombarded by anti-gg comments, but i don't know whether it's shitposters crawling out of the woodworks now they have the mod's support or people coming from a different site[/QUOTE] Maybe they wanted to keep 4chan on the cutting edge of Internet hate machinery, and who's filled with more hatred, vitriol, and all around antipathy for all that lives than a SJW?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014418]It's a sub-point. My main point is that #GamerGate is losing its original intent and is at a point where they'll take anything that could be construed as negative, without questioning it or the source posting it, as fact of corruption.[/QUOTE] No I'm pretty sure people are and always have been questioning this shit. Unless you want to generalize the whole group as a hivemind

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014418]It's a sub-point. My main point is that #GamerGate is losing its original intent and is at a point where they'll take anything that could be construed as negative, without questioning it or the source posting it, as fact of corruption.[/QUOTE] So are you saying that corruption must be verified with the corrupt? That seems a little odd.

[QUOTE=No_0ne;46014406]/v/ is being bombarded by anti-gg comments, but i don't know whether it's shitposters crawling out of the woodworks now they have the mod's support or people coming from a different site[/QUOTE] Saw this floating around [url]http://strawpoll.me/2593970/r[/url] Seems like someone really did hire a bigger PR agency or something.

[QUOTE=capital;46014463]Saw this floating around [url]http://strawpoll.me/2593970/r[/url] Seems like someone really did hire a bigger PR agency or something.[/QUOTE] I'm not so sure if this means much beyond the fact that a large portion of pro-GG 4chan users are outraged and more willing to voice their opinions. The same stuff happens when someone posts a Strawpoll asking which of the big three console companies are shittiest. Despite a sizable Sony fanbase on /v/, Sony always wins in a landslide defeat.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46014444]No I'm pretty sure people are and always have been questioning this shit. Unless you want to generalize the whole group as a hivemind[/QUOTE] The Breitbart article seems widely accepted and the Ars Technica response article seems to be rejected. [QUOTE=Fangz;46014458]So are you saying that corruption must be verified with the corrupt? That seems a little odd.[/QUOTE] What a loaded question.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46014444]No I'm pretty sure people are and always have been questioning this shit. Unless you want to generalize the whole group as a hivemind[/QUOTE] I think what he's trying to say is that a lot of #GamerGate supporters only question information or its sources [I]if[/I] it doesn't support them. I mean, just look at the Breitbart article. Until Kyle Orland talked about it no one questioned it because it let people on the internet push their agendas.

Moot's sticky is back up. This is one fucking ride.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46014495]I think what he's trying to say is that a lot of #GamerGate supporters only question information or its sources [I]if[/I] it doesn't support them. I mean, just look at the Breitbart article. Until Kyle Orland talked about it no one questioned it because it let people on the internet push their agendas.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen the evidence dismissing it. And shouldn't people question Orlands view as we question milo? I think they should. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014491]The Breitbart article seems widely accepted and the Ars Technica response article seems to be rejected. What a loaded question.[/QUOTE] You're substituting one "unquestioned" opinion with another, in this case no one should question the ars technica article but god forbid they trust briebart [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] Unless you don't want to be a hypocrite, you'll have to evaluate both sides

[QUOTE=EditOutJ;46014509]Moot's sticky is back up. This is one fucking ride.[/QUOTE] At least two threads are going though, openly GG-related. There's not a lot of shitposting even.

[QUOTE=acds;46014303]Nice ad hominem. So everything he posts should be ignored and all the evidence he digs up is useless because of an opinion or past mistakes? Yeah sure thing.[/QUOTE] Just because you're able to name a fallacy doesn't mean you're able to identify one, clearly

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46014510]I haven't seen the evidence dismissing it. And shouldn't people question Orlands view as we question milo? I think they should. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] You're substituting one "unquestioned" opinion with another, in this case no one should question the ars technica article but god forbid they trust briebart [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] Unless you don't want to be a hypocrite, you'll have to evaluate both sides[/QUOTE] I see nothing wrong with Kyle Orland. He writes about [url=http://arstechnica.com/author/kyle-orland/]gaming news[/url]. [url=http://i.imgur.com/GhEPS02.png]His peers acknowledge he's ethical[/url], and was [url=http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/addressing-allegations-of-collusion-among-gaming-journalists/]willing to explain the group.[/url] You can view his [url=https://twitter.com/KyleOrl]Twitter[/url] where even more of his peers are shocked to hear this allegation. Now what does Milo have? [QUOTE=Venezuelan;46013167]The real thoughts of Milo, who has been covering gamergate on Breitbart [T]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxy5Og3CUAAEzmN.png[/t] [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/14/Players-as-young-as-12-and-13-are-being-raped-by-dorky-weirdos-on-Grand-Theft-Auto[/url] Here's him blaming Elliott Rodgers on video games [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/27/virgin-killer-was-not-a-misogynist-but-a-madman[/url][/QUOTE] So who am I more inclined to believe?