Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

all journalism is biased. some less so, re BBC and Al-Jaz, and some more so, no examples needed here it is a journalists job to report the facts with as little bias or fluff as possible and the reader's job is to sift through that bias and fluff to ultimately form their own opinion taking things at face value makes you part of the unenlightened masses so IE orland writes pretty good articles and seems like a good dude, but he's still suspect via association and milo is suspect as shit too but he did a fairly good article amidst other bad ones you need to measure the quality of the work and what it brings to light rather than "no he's shady and bad", but fuck it you don't care about that and it shows [editline]asasffd[/editline] here "you" is to whoever is arguing over writer credibility or whatever

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46014853]Milo's post is only bullshit if orland is right. Of course, if we start by assuming orland is right, milo must be a person not worth listening to. I don't think you even read what I say honestly[/QUOTE] Ok I get it what's going on now. You have no clue what we're even talking about. I'd explain it to you but I think it'd be better if you re-read the entire discussion, starting from [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=46013167#post46013167"]here[/URL].

[B]All three of ya stop it.[/B] We have to first look at Milo's past and decide whether he's trustworthy or not. If he's got a history of jumping into controversies to further his own agenda then we lay down the smackdown on his ass. If Orland is jumping in for oppurtunity's sake, then we lay down the smackdown. If he's fucking right, you know what? [B]He's fucking right.[/B] We're the god damn Macho Man Randy Fucking Savage Public and its our job to vet these people. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4lK41SX-Q[/media] [B]Let the cream rise to the top.[/B]

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46014870]Ok I get it what's going on now. You have no clue what we're even talking about. I'd explain it to you but I think it'd be better if you re-read the entire discussion, starting from [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=46013167#post46013167"]here[/URL].[/QUOTE] Yeah so you don't read, thanks. I do know what's going on. I don't agree with you. I don't think milo is telling the truth not do I think orland is. If either of you cared enough to you know, ask that rather than be overly assumptive knee jerkers yourself you could see quite fucking clearly I'm just asking for people to question both sides. Why you think I think milo is right is beyon- no wait, I know, you put MORE fucking words in my mouth

[QUOTE=Swilly;46014873]If Orland is jumping in for oppurtunity's sake, then we lay down the smackdown. If he's fucking right, you know what? [B]He's fucking right.[/B][/QUOTE] Orland isn't jumping in. He was dragged in.

Either way, if ya'll wanna prove your point like Venezuela did with previous examples of Milo's work than ya'll gotta prove it. Ya'll need to use logos, pathos and ethos. Not just pick one.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46014898]Orland isn't jumping in. He was dragged in.[/QUOTE] Because saving his own name from being ruined is a selfless action with no other possible ways to see it, right? Or is asking that an admission(in your mind) that I think milo is right or something stupid

[QUOTE=Swilly;46014913]Either way, if ya'll wanna prove your point like Venezuela did with previous examples of Milo's work than ya'll gotta prove it. Ya'll need to use logos, pathos and ethos. Not just pick one.[/QUOTE] What about bathos?

Also, I'm going to be extremely weary of Milo's work if his previous articles are anything to go by. He has an agenda in each article and he uses the incident to his advantage. At the same time, the articles Venezuelan provided list a wide range of topics instead of focusing in on one so videogames may not be have been at the top of his list.

Or how about we don't fucking jump to judgments at all and just wait and see who is right and who is wrong. You know, the tactic that brought multiple successes to GG, and helped it evade at least one major disgrace?

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;46014933]What about bathos?[/QUOTE] Bathos is used in humor, the three I listed above are the basics of any debate class. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;46014939]Or how about we don't fucking jump to judgments at all and just wait and see who is right and who is wrong. You know, the tactic that brought multiple successes to GG, and helped it evade at least one major disgrace?[/QUOTE] This motherfucker right here. If you disagree with something, dig into it.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46014913]Either way, if ya'll wanna prove your point like Venezuela did with previous examples of Milo's work than ya'll gotta prove it. Ya'll need to use logos, pathos and ethos. Not just pick one.[/QUOTE] It really wasn't about proving a point since our point was that both Milo and Orland have done or being associated with things in the past that stops them from being 100% trustworthy and that was pretty much already proven. Of course, because HumanAbyss didn't pick up on which articles we were alluding to and instead thought we were still talking about only the latest one, he misunderstood us and labeled us as overly assumptive knee jerkers because of what he thinks we think (which is just a collective of dumb assumptions). If you want this to stop I'll try my best to do so after this post but good luck trying to convice HumanAbyss to stop as well.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46013167]The real thoughts of Milo, who has been covering gamergate on Breitbart [T]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxy5Og3CUAAEzmN.png[/t] [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/14/Players-as-young-as-12-and-13-are-being-raped-by-dorky-weirdos-on-Grand-Theft-Auto[/url] Here's him blaming Elliott Rodgers on video games [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/27/virgin-killer-was-not-a-misogynist-but-a-madman[/url] So basically definitely don't rally around this guy[/QUOTE] Milo has a lot of really misguided opinions (there's an article he wrote about trans people that's pretty wrong), but you have to take what you have. When no media outlet will talk about this and only Milo does, it's stupid to discard him because he disagrees with you on some things. Plus, the guy actually seems interested in gaming now and it feels like he changed his opinions about it (although that may be just him pandering). He didn't really need to do a livestream or to answer to literally all e-mails sent to him about this. Here's a full pastebin with some of his thoughts [url]http://pastebin.com/AgT7jZGd[/url] This one in particular is what I think brings people together even though they have tons of different opinions on a lot of issues: [QUOTE] "What caused you to take an interest in GamerGate?" It's something that somebody else posted on twitter a while ago and it was really interesting to me; it was a comment under one of my pieces. What's happening with what you guys call 'Social Justice Warriors' - which I've reported on when they've attacked in other sectors - what's happening in gaming is exactly what happened in the other disciplines. It's happened in the fantasy worlds, it's happened in comic books, it's happened in politics. It's happened in a lot of different areas. But what's different about this is I've never really seen a pushback like I've seen from you, the gamers. Nobody's ever really had the balls to stand up and say "No actually, what you're doing is destructive, most of it's not true, most of it's unfair and it doesn't really reflect who we are and how we feel about things, and what you're doing is poisonous". I saw that and I sympathized with it because I've seen it happen elsewhere. As many of you know I was not the most complimentary person about games, but I've realized there are some real bad guys in gaming and it's not you guys. [/QUOTE]

Mundane mate and an indie dev on the king of /pol/ [URL="http://www.hitbox.tv/kingofpol"]stream[/URL]

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46014999]It really wasn't about proving a point since our point was that both Milo and Orland have done or being associated with things in the past that stops them from being 100% trustworthy and that was pretty much already proven. Of course, because HumanAbyss didn't pick up on which articles we were alluding to and instead thought we were still talking about only the latest one, he misunderstood us and labeled us as overly assumptive knee jerkers because of what he thinks we think (which is just a collective of dumb assumptions). If you want this to stop I'll try my best to do so after this post but good luck trying to convice HumanAbyss to stop as well.[/QUOTE] I'm just trying to make sure ya'll aren't at eachother throats. We all have different levels of involvement in GamerGate, some more than others. Some are weary of it and ya'know what? They're perfectly in the right to be skeptical and I'm glad they haven't just quit talking. Its thanks to them that we not only stay on track but information gets torn apart to make sure we get to the core. Hell, if Max wouldn't shitpost I'd love to have him here. Having someone on the Anti-GG side would be fucking ace.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46014999]It really wasn't about proving a point since our point was that both Milo and Orland have done or being associated with things in the past that stops them from being 100% trustworthy and that was pretty much already proven. Of course, because HumanAbyss didn't pick up on which articles we were alluding to and instead thought we were still talking about only the latest one, he misunderstood us and labeled us as overly assumptive knee jerkers because of what he thinks we think (which is just a collective of dumb assumptions). If you want this to stop I'll try my best to do so after this post but good luck trying to convice HumanAbyss to stop as well.[/QUOTE] Why am I so stupid and slow for asking for you to question both sides?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46015040]Why am I so stupid and slow for asking for you to question both sides?[/QUOTE] Human, they were questioning both sides. I know that's what you mean but watching the argument you were very one-sided. A group in this thread have taken to conservatives way to easily when it comes to people supporting GG and while Reimu and others state they're just using the attention, I also have to question the validity of that. Venezulean, Deni and Killer are all very weary of just how easily some of us take to these conspiracy theories and that's a legitimate concern.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46015028]Hell, if Max wouldn't shitpost I'd love to have him here. Having someone on the Anti-GG side would be fucking ace.[/QUOTE] Eh, I think that'd be impossible. If they somehow didn't start shitposting after seeing how 90% of all posts here are pro-GG, then some GG guy would start shitposting to try to scare them off the thread.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46015051]Eh, I think that'd be impossible. If they somehow didn't start shitposting after seeing how 90% of all posts here are pro-GG, then some GG guy would start shitposting to try to scare them off the thread.[/QUOTE] Which annoys the living shit outta me. I want people from the other side to come and talk to us so we can exchange and discuss instead of being huddled in trenches taking pot shots.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46015040]Why am I so [B]stupid and slow[/B] for asking for you to question both sides?[/QUOTE] Hey look! You're putting words in my mouth! Reminds me of that one time [I]someone[/I] told me not to do that.

but I've never ever, anywhere, at all said "I think Milo is right". I don't know who is right. But I get linked to a post, that I've seen, of Venezualans thing and then told because I don't think that's proof he's incapable of having the correct information, i'm being told i'm stupid or what not. Maybe I am stupid, I don't really give a shit, but the way I'm seeing it, there's not a lot of questioning going on here about a person who said something in private that spilled out, and then did typical damage control on it. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Manibogi;46015068]Hey look! You're putting words in my mouth! Reminds me of that one time [I]someone[/I] told me not to do that.[/QUOTE] Yes, because implying that you can never get me to listen or see reason is anything but an indictment of a persons level of intelligence

I was expecting some new revelation with 80 new posts and not counter productive infighting .The issues at the heart eof GG are still the same Journalistic ethics and censorship.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46015071]but I've never ever, anywhere, at all said "I think Milo is right". I don't know who is right. But I get linked to a post, that I've seen, of Venezualans thing and then told because I don't think that's proof he's incapable of having the correct information, i'm being told i'm stupid or what not. Maybe I am stupid, I don't really give a shit, but the way I'm seeing it, there's not a lot of questioning going on here about a person who said something in private that spilled out, and then did typical damage control on it.[/QUOTE] That's not what they're saying Human, what they're saying is that what they feel is proof that you should be careful. And you are being careful, this whole fight is basically just a massive misunderstanding. [B]Guys, its a big fucking misunderstanding.[/B]

I'm just going to stop now. I'm sorry that there was a misunderstanding and that it got heated.

Anyway, back on track. Has anything new come out, I heard MundaneMatt is doing a livestream with a game dev. Can someone relink that?

[QUOTE=Swilly;46015100]Anyway, back on track. Has anything new come out, I heard MundaneMatt is doing a livestream with a game dev. Can someone relink that?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.hitbox.tv/kingofpol"]He's in here with some anons and an indie dev.[/URL]

Can't seem to watch it, which sucks.

Does anyone know if that kingofpol stream is going to be recorded so that I can re-watch it later? He's had a bunch of people on including Milo, Matt of TFYC, Adam Baldwin, a handful of journalists from various small sites, and some others I don't remember. I'm really interested in hearing those interviews but I missed a lot of it.

[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;46015422]Does anyone know if that kingofpol stream is going to be recorded so that I can re-watch it later? He's had a bunch of people on including Milo, Matt of TFYC, Adam Baldwin, a handful of journalists from various small sites, and some others I don't remember. I'm really interested in hearing those interviews but I missed a lot of it.[/QUOTE] he mentioned that he hopes poeple are recording and will post it themselves. He doesn't care as long as it's uploaded and shared. might as well post the KotakuInAction Livestream, TB is on at the moment. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FlVaHXqaQg[/media]

Been watching the stream so long I got a headache. Anyway reminder for all that haven't followed and are scattered: the new promised replacement land is 8chan, spread the word.