Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46017849]You're all committing the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historian%27s_fallacy]historian's fallacy[/url]. [b]At the time[/b] they saw an ex getting revenge and people harassing Zoe Quinn, which is why they closed discussions.[/QUOTE] I'm not committing Historians fallacy because by the time the VICE thread went up, the pictures and proof were already up. Even then, these allegations of abuse are [B]fucking allegations of abuse.[/B] You don't blame or insult the one calling out abuse. Its the same as insulting or blaming a victim of rape.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;46017863]That doesn't make dismissing abuse claims OK in any way.[/QUOTE] All they saw was Zoe Quinn be harassed. I don't think they ever read the original letter by Eron.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46017883]All they saw was Zoe Quinn be harassed. I don't think they ever read the original letter by Eron.[/QUOTE] That does not make it OK. If I came to someones defense that was accused of abusing someone else without getting the whole story, that does not put me in the right. In fact it's even worse because I'd be completely oblivious to the major problem at hand. You're missing the point, YES they are uninformed and biased, but NO they are not excused of enabling abuse.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46017883]All they saw was Zoe Quinn be harassed. I don't think they ever read the original letter by Eron.[/QUOTE] So basically they made an un-informed snap decision? The exact kind of thing journalists are [B]not[/B] supposed to do?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46017883]All they saw was Zoe Quinn be harassed. I don't think they ever read the original letter by Eron.[/QUOTE] You know what that means? [B]they're bad at their jobs.[/B]

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46017883]All they saw was Zoe Quinn be harassed. I don't think they ever read the original letter by Eron.[/QUOTE]That would mean that a primary cause of this clusterfuck would be journalists failing to check sources. Full circle?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46017883]All they saw was Zoe Quinn be harassed. I don't think they ever read the original letter by Eron.[/QUOTE] [quote=Mathew Hawkins] Matthew Hawkins Aug 19 It all starts with this… [url]http://thezoepost.wordpress.com[/url] [/quote] The Zoe Post went out on the 16th of August. They've known about it. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] They had [B]three fucking days to read it.[/B]

I'm glad at how big this shit has gotten. I'm tired of all the corruption and dumb SJW's ruining everything, it's time their toxicity be brought to the attention of everyone.

Could someone provide me the link to milo's article on the backdoor mailing list?

Most (if not all) of those journalists have not even acknowledged the fact that Eron was abused. They're just pretending they never called him "deranged" and "jilted." At best, all of them realized and are staying silent. At worst, they're entering echo chambers so they don't even have to realize that they are both privately & publicly condemning a [i][b]fucking abuse survivor who came out about their experiences with abuse[/b][/i]. Fuck these people. Literally, fuck them. If they were real allies, if they REALLY cared about liberating marginalized identities, they would have apologized. Publicly. On twitter. Instead they're twiddling their thumbs and throwing money at ZQ in order to hide the fact that they all fucking shit on an abuse survivor. Seriously, fuck these people. It's been over a month now and things are going to only get worse for Eron because a bunch of people in a place of [i]influential and vocal power[/i] decided to make a (at best) premature or (at worst) flat-out disturbing smear against an abuse survivor.

[QUOTE=LeonS;46017061]okay, yes they did. and? whats the outcome? did anything actually happen to them bar them saying a few words? did anyone get fired? disciplined? enlighten me. has anything [B]actually [/B]happened, or is it still just words vs words. i know the escapist made a new ethics policy. i know some guy stepped down, but to my knowledge he had very little if anything to do with this at all.[/QUOTE] No, it's still a battle of attrition. It's still two sides, waiting to see which one gives up first. Which is why this is so crazy this has gone on so far. Every tactic they have tried so far was not enough to make it go away. Smear campaigns, censorship, misdirection, you name it. Still hasn't made us go away. They haven't caved yet, and neither are we. It's nice to know that some companies involved in this are hurting. For example, Gamasutra, Polygon's, and even Vice's Alexia rankings have suffered a notable decline since August, about where this whole mess started. This means that they are losing money and credibility, and fast. Some websites have been better with damage control; Kotaku has the whole Gawker media network behind it so its traffic hasn't suffered as much and probably falls within normal fluctuation. [url]http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamasutra.com[/url] [url]http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/polygon.com[/url] [url]http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/vice.com[/url] [url]http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com[/url] Rumors are also floating around regarding NeoGAF, with purported sources saying that its owner has lost "money, power, and prestige," is having "daily fits of rage," and wasn't even invited back to the next E3 in the wake of all this. All of this is from an anonymous 4chan source (albeit one who has an uncanny level of insight,) so take that with a giant grain of salt. So yeah. There have been very few outright victories so far, the war is still going. It's a battle of wills, and the fact that this has been going on for about a month is unprecedented. We have caught them with their pants down and even though it may look like we're not winning, the effects are being felt, the pressure is real, important people are watching, and the media genuinely has no idea how to react to this because this has literally never happened before. This is why they are fighting so dirty. They are attempting every single trick they know in a desperate attempt to make us sit down. We have not sat down. This is our only shot, and we will never get this opportunity again. We shouldn't lose faith now; this is exactly what they are praying to happen. If we truly were having no effect, if we truly were losing horribly, if we truly were just spewing bullshit, these people would have nothing to fear. They would have no reason to fight back. But they do, and they are.

is this what sjw's talk about when they claim rape culture is real (eron having proof of abuse and no one does anything or yells at him to shut up)

[QUOTE=Wii60;46018032]is this what sjw's talk about when they claim rape culture is real (eron having proof of abuse and no one does anything or yells at him to shut up)[/QUOTE] Funnily enough, [B]this is exactly what feminists mean by rape culture.[/B] Rape and Abuse culture preport that even with proof, the victim of rape/abuse are still to blame for any sort of repercussions that the accused face and or are completely open to be told that it is their fault.

So from what I picked up from it, [i]"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/i] There is no gaming journalist conspiracy to shelter Zoe Quinn or censor game journalism. They did so only because they were idiots. (God that was a pain in the ass to read)

[QUOTE=Swilly;46017816]That's fucking disgusting, someone actually though calling Eron deranged was okay.[/QUOTE] There's nothing I can say about this that isn't going to come across as pure unfiltered mad. Eron's actions are not commendable, but for shame, [B][I]FOR SHAAAAAaAaAME[/I][/B]

[QUOTE=Swilly;46017915]The Zoe Post went out on the 16th of August. They've known about it. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] They had [B]three fucking days to read it.[/B][/QUOTE] Reading is hard, listening and believing is easier. Snowball's chance in hell that they'd read the entire post and figure out what actually happened. [QUOTE=Reimu;46018022]Most (if not all) of those journalists have not even acknowledged the fact that Eron was abused. They're just pretending they never called him "deranged" and "jilted." At best, all of them realized and are staying silent. At worst, they're entering echo chambers so they don't even have to realize that they are both privately & publicly condemning a [i][b]fucking abuse survivor who came out about their experiences with abuse[/b][/i]. Fuck these people. Literally, fuck them. If they were real allies, if they REALLY cared about liberating marginalized identities, they would have apologized. Publicly. On twitter. Instead they're twiddling their thumbs and throwing money at ZQ in order to hide the fact that they all fucking shit on an abuse survivor. Seriously, fuck these people. It's been over a month now and things are going to only get worse for Eron because a bunch of people in a place of [i]influential and vocal power[/i] decided to make a (at best) premature or (at worst) flat-out disturbing smear against an abuse survivor.[/QUOTE] Those sick fucks would have eaten everything up if the genders were reversed. Thanks third-wave feminism.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46018059]So from what I picked up from it, [i]"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/i] There is no gaming journalist conspiracy to shelter Zoe Quinn or censor game journalism. They did so only because they were idiots. (God that was a pain in the ass to read)[/QUOTE] And like idiots, they're paying the price, but instead of just earing the dunce cap. They're that uppity kid that thinks they can get away with shit by blaming some unrelated person. [editline]18th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zerfenus;46018065] Those sick fucks would have eaten everything up if the genders were reversed. Thanks third-wave feminism.[/QUOTE] Its not feminism's fault. Its fucking everyone's inability to actually teach feminism in a simple easy way without using specific words specific to feminism that aren't used outside of academic circles. Feminism fucking needs a Cosmos series with an equal chill and high lady who takes you on a ride with her time machine.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46018086] Its not feminism's fault. Its fucking everyone's inability to actually teach feminism in a simple easy way without using specific words specific to feminism that aren't used outside of academic circles. Feminism fucking needs a Cosmos series with an equal chill and high lady who takes you on a ride with her time machine.[/QUOTE] Third wave feminism is a bad sect of feminism Christina Sommers is a equality feminist and is fuckin awesome. I tend to not use "feminism" tho for cool people like that, i prefer using "Womens rights activist" for people like christina.

Third Wave Feminism isn't bad. That's the frustrating part, it has its fill of stupid moves but what it ultimately failed is that spread itself way to thin.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46018059]So from what I picked up from it, [i]"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/i] There is no gaming journalist conspiracy to shelter Zoe Quinn or censor game journalism. They did so only because they were idiots. (God that was a pain in the ass to read)[/QUOTE] Then the question becomes, should/do we want idiots and stupid people in positions of influence and (relatively minor) power? I vote no. There's also just a little bit too much coordination for it to be pure stupidity.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46018032]is this what sjw's talk about when they claim rape culture is real (eron having proof of abuse and no one does anything or yells at him to shut up)[/QUOTE] This is actually what rape culture is. Abuse feeds into it. Yes, the irony is real. The hivemind is complete and refuses to allow its participants to think that maybe - just maybe - SJ people can be abusive. Also rape culture is its own separate power structure from patriarchy, but very few people realize that because it's only patriarchal views of rape culture that are pushed forward. Hence why all sexual assault survivors face bullshit like Eron is facing.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46018140]Then the question becomes, should/do we want idiots and stupid people in positions of influence and (relatively minor) power? I vote no. There's also just a little bit too much coordination for it to be pure stupidity.[/QUOTE] It's not like they're colluding with each other on what to write. It's exactly as Orland said, where it's just journalists talking to each other and asking for advice. They're only dumb in the sense of not knowing how to respond to Zoe Quinn. It's not the journalistic conspiracy Milo would like you to believe it is.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46018169]It's not like they're colluding with each other on what to write. It's exactly as Orland said, where it's just journalists talking to each other and asking for advice. They're only dumb in the sense of not knowing how to respond to Zoe Quinn. It's not the journalistic conspiracy Milo would like you to believe it is.[/QUOTE] I honestly would rather wish that it was a a conspiracy. At least then we could have a clear answer as to the issues going on. Instead its exposed they're a bunch of bumbling morons who don't know how to internet.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46018184]I honestly would rather wish that it was a a conspiracy. At least then we could have a clear answer as to the issues going on. Instead its exposed they're a bunch of bumbling morons who don't know how to internet.[/QUOTE] Which means it's irrelevant to this whole debate. Does that mean we can stop arguing about it now?

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46018140]Then the question becomes, should/do we want idiots and stupid people in positions of influence and (relatively minor) power? I vote no. There's also just a little bit too much coordination for it to be pure stupidity.[/QUOTE] Even the stupid can have bursts of intelligence. The problem is getting these companies and writers to own up to their stupidity and take proper action. [QUOTE=Eonart;46018185][url]http://loudhouse.vg/[/url] has been set up now for uncensored talk but it's not very active.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but what the heck is up with that board theme?

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46018201]Which means it's irrelevant to this whole debate. Does that mean we can stop arguing about it now?[/QUOTE] Nah, it just opens an even worse can of worms in the fact that now we know they aren't even qualified to be doing anything relating to video game news and critiques.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46018214]Nah, it just opens an even worse can of worms in the fact that now we know they aren't even qualified to be doing anything relating to video game news and critiques.[/QUOTE] Didn't you guys spend like two pages arguing whether or not what journalists do outside of writing pieces should be ignored? 'Cause I think it should.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46018184]I honestly would rather wish that it was a a conspiracy. At least then we could have a clear answer as to the issues going on. Instead its exposed they're a bunch of bumbling morons who don't know how to internet.[/QUOTE] I'd say the opposite. They know the internet and what happens when an internet mob attacks a person. They just got entrenched in one side and had confirmation bias when viewing the VICE article and defaming Eron, much like the opposite side did. In the end, they never reported on it because they had nothing to add to it. Also, the original page is deleted

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46018240]Didn't you guys spend like two pages arguing whether or not what journalists do outside of writing pieces should be ignored? 'Cause I think it should.[/QUOTE] Look at it this way. With the responses inside those emails, its clear that these people don't understand Social Justice or some of the core parts of it. Yet they right about it to us, like they have an authority and knowledge about it. That affects us.

You should read Milo's other articles, such as [url=http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/08/15/transgenderism-is-a-psychiatric-disorder-its-sufferers-need-therapy-not-surgery/]"Transgenderism is a psychiatric disorder: its sufferers need therapy, not surgery"[/url] This man fights for you