Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread.
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Oh dear lord I just had a terrifying thought right now.
The way this has been picking up and getting more exposure, I would not be surprised to see this popping up on TV shows later in the year, especially police dramas. I can imagine it now, watching an episode of [I]Castle[/I] or [I]CSI[/I] or something where the victim is a LW stand-in, the initial suspects are the ex-BF or a prominent Pro-GG stand-in, and maybe if we're lucky the obligatory twist will be that the murderer was something like a MFK stand-in or someone in the circle of journalists. Of course, by that time all the writers and cast members will have been flooded with tweets from people angry that someone just [I]had[/I] to re-open old wounds (because hopefully GamerGate will have ended by the time the episode of whatever show it is airs) and next thing you know GamerGate 2.0 starts up because some show just had to stir the pot for the sake of ratings.
Which makes this just another reason why this whole thing seems to be largely contained within the gaming industry with little exposure to outside elements.
[video=youtube;yS8bjnMlR5A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS8bjnMlR5A[/video]
ia was apparently streaming for the past hour
[editline]25th September 2014[/editline]
[url]https://twitter.com/RanticMarketing/status/515289072466538496[/url]
uh what
[QUOTE=Wii60;46077812]
[url]https://twitter.com/RanticMarketing/status/515289072466538496[/url]
uh what[/QUOTE]
truly amazing how quickly they backpedal when they get doxxed
[quote] uh what [/quote]
rantic finally realized 4chan is sjw controlled
rantic finally realized tweets are libel-actionable
I'm sorta confused. Who are these Rantic Marketing people and how did they get involved?
[QUOTE=Athlias;46078256]I'm sorta confused. Who are these Rantic Marketing people and how did they get involved?[/QUOTE]
They were the people behind the Emma Watson nude hoax, and called for the shutdown of 4chan.
edit: my phone didn't like the word "nude"
[QUOTE=Reimu;46076779]Me too. I'm confused. Where do I fall in the SJ scale now? Have I graduated from Social Justice Warrior and now became a Social Justice Gladiator?[/QUOTE]
Social Justice Dragon. Your goal is to slay all the Social Justice warriors with your well-executed words and thoughts and kidnap the bad journalists by making them lose their job.
I tried I a little too hard with that, didn't I? :v:
[QUOTE=Reimu;46076779]Me too. I'm confused. Where do I fall in the SJ scale now? Have I graduated from Social Justice Warrior and now became a Social Justice Gladiator?[/QUOTE]
social justice bard
That statement from Chris Mancil is probably the smartest thing anyone from EA has said in a long time. If EA is really smart they'll back his statement as a whole.
[QUOTE=Tsyolin;46078709]That statement from Chris Mancil is probably the smartest thing anyone from EA has said in a long time. If EA is really smart they'll back his statement as a whole.[/QUOTE]
EA and BWE already threw in with AGG, people aren't going to magically forget.
That's mancil's opinion, and everyone else is going to have to offer their own as an anteprecedent to EA's already selected stance.
This also doesn't obviate that for the last 6 years, EA has consistently chosen shareholders over their customers, that's also a matter of record.
If EA wants a sea change, then [BPOil] golly guys shucks we should listen [/BPOil] ain't even close to a recommitment to customer service over profits, or a pledge of artist first; remember that shit?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
[t]http://thedoteaters.com/tde/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ea_we_see_farther.jpg[/t]
i dont know if anyone posted the EA Response yet but this is what he said:
[url]https://archive.today/zmm3G[/url]
[QUOTE]We have all had to deal with trolls, a-holes, hacker kids, and gamers/fans/haters of all stripes for years. The one redeeming quality of all them (to me) was that they were always gamers – and that was an enthusiasm and love that we all shared. That passion made people do crazy things. As easy as it could have been, I never lost respect for the audience. The people we make games for – even some of the bad ones. That’s our business, and I HOPE its why we all still do this. Love for the art AND for the fans. Two sides of the same coin.
This group of gamers for #GamerGate are angry. PISSED. I don’t think this incident with Ms. Quinn and the media are the direct cause of this exclusively, but rather a spark that blew up some smoldering issues that have been building for years. This level of anger and commitment by these gamers is intense, and its growing. Something is wrong here, this is abnormal.
My opinion: Its not about Social Justice warriors, that has always been a strong influence in gaming. Sometimes its annoying, sure, but it can also be a positive force as well, a much-needed conscience, and a reminder to us all to consider what we create says and means to people of all ages and backgrounds.
Its not really about ethics. Games Media and Games Development have always been intertwined like Siamese twins. We depend on each other greatly, and this relationship (when properly balanced) benefits games and gamers as a whole.
I think the real problem here is alienation. Not of values. That’s misguided. Its not liberal/conservative values, politics, or world-view. Its fear of being meaningless. Its about our loss of connection between ordinary gamers and the games industry. We are losing our connection with people. I think our industry has been drifting further and further away from our fans, as our business get larger, and our global reach gets broader. This lack of a relationship, of mutual feedback, of a personal connection between ourselves and the audience (I believe) is really the true culprit of most deep seated anger here. There is no connection with us, no trust, not even understanding. Yet gamers depend more and more on us for their primary entertainment (important!) and we absolutely depend on them as customers. Yet, our relationship – is increasingly one-sided. They being the unit sale, the % converted on the acquisition funnel, or the revenue target – not the person, the player, the gamer who is (or was) exactly like all of us. We NEED them, and they KNOW we need them. They NEED us too – but have we forgotten that? Do we sometimes feel, we don’t really need them?
This alienation and dependency brings about epic rage – think banks, cellular providers, airlines, cable companies and the hate those relationships generate with customers who NEED that service but get treated like beasts… that’s our future (some would say our present). And in this environment, a back-handed slap to a mass group of gamers who are mass-labeled “misogynists” “rapists” “gamers are dead” “Games ashamed” are just fighting words yelled by a distant, contemptuous, un-connected gaming entity that is part of the establishment elite – and this same recipe (the exact same spark) of every single race/political/protest riot the world over from the beginning of time. And like every protest, there are those who support the activists and those who support law & order, and the establishment. But the root cause of the event is usually NOT what they are yelling and fighting about, but something much deeper, and harder to explain.
Usually being oppressed, insulted, or just generally being abused and invisible. And in this outburst of anger, some of the media turned and fired into the gamer protesters, which then became a riot.
Both sides now dehumanize the other, making it easier to escalate. I wish I knew how to diffuse it. Your friend, Chris[/QUOTE]
[editline]26th September 2014[/editline]
jimmy wales (wikipedia guy) talks about the gamergate wiki page on twitter
[QUOTE]1/I remember a controversy at Wikipedia about a breed of dog. When I looked into it, virtually all the editors were activists.
2/What eventually happened, as I recall, is that all the activists on all sides were topic banned. To their dismay.
3/And then the Wikipedians were able to write a neutral article that more or less satisfied everyone.
4/With #gamergate I see the same dynamic. Too many of the people fighting about it care nothing for Wikipedia. Both sides guilty.
5/Coming to Wikipedia in order to Right Great Wrongs always ends in sadness. We will be patient with you for a while, but then...
6/The article as it is right now is not unfair to either side. It's just a badly written battleground.
7/It will take time to sort out but I predict that more people need to be given a long mandatory rest from the article.
8/Tomorrow I will write these thoughts up in longer form and invite more Wikipedians who have no axe to grind in the issue to help.
9/Meanwhile I invite anyone who wants to try to help, and is new to Wikipedia, to take this approach:
10/Try to see things from the other side, and spend most of your time making sure that they are being heard accurately. Don't battle.
11/Invite your colleagues who are fighting to chill out. The world needs to relax a notch or two. Always. :-) THE END FOR NOW[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=27X;46078733]EA and BWE already threw in with AGG, people aren't going to magically forget.
That's mancil's opinion, and everyone else is going to have to offer their own as an anteprecedent to EA's already selected stance.
This also doesn't obviate that for the last 6 years, EA has consistently chosen shareholders over their customers, that's also a matter of record.
If EA wants a sea change, then [BPOil] golly guys shucks we should listen [/BPOil] ain't even close to a recommitment to customer service over profits, or a pledge of artist first; remember that shit?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
[t]http://thedoteaters.com/tde/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ea_we_see_farther.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I understand skepticism but if EA really wants to start changing for the better (free games on Origin all the time is a good start) then I'm more than happy to welcome it. I'm really hoping they decide to go through with it, because as much as I like to hate on EA they own a crap ton of IPs that I personally love.
[editline]26th September 2014[/editline]
Also the response from Jimbo was also really well said, if you want to present yourself as neutral than this is the way to do it.
Hey guys, I'm going to [URL="http://www.siegecon.net/SIEGE2014/"]seigecon[/URL] next week with a college class. I'm pretty excited except for one thing. Zoe quinn is going to be the keynote speaker friday night. I'm not sure if I want to try and miss the conference or try and ask how she feels with the whole gamegate scandal. Also I'm wanna try and find corruption in the gaming industry as one of my goals for the trip. If anyone have any suggestion I would love to hear them.
[QUOTE=Minimal;46079096]Hey guys, I'm going to [URL="http://www.siegecon.net/SIEGE2014/"]seigecon[/URL] next week with a college class. I'm pretty excited except for one thing. Zoe quinn is going to be the keynote speaker friday night. I'm not sure if I want to try and miss the conference or try and ask how she feels with the whole gamegate scandal. Also I'm wanna try and find corruption in the gaming industry as one of my goals for the trip. If anyone have any suggestion I would love to hear them.[/QUOTE]
dont give her direct attention (asking gamergate questions in front of everyone attending, for example)
despite her being ground zero, shes not relevant to gamergate.
either watch, silently record the entire thing and put online (incase someone else politely asks and then zoe bitches on twitter about her confrence being "attacked" or some dumb crap), or ignore it.
[QUOTE=Minimal;46079096]Hey guys, I'm going to [URL="http://www.siegecon.net/SIEGE2014/"]seigecon[/URL] next week with a college class. I'm pretty excited except for one thing. Zoe quinn is going to be the keynote speaker friday night. I'm not sure if I want to try and miss the conference or try and ask how she feels with the whole gamegate scandal. Also I'm wanna try and find corruption in the gaming industry as one of my goals for the trip. If anyone have any suggestion I would love to hear them.[/QUOTE]
hit her in the face with a pie, and when someone tries to grab you, yell "it's a prank"
It seems rantic was hacked. If it's a fake it's been much better reasearched than previous "hacks".
Also, it puts into question whether the backpedal tweet was legitimate.
[URL]http://www.rantic.com/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mr Cow;46079117]It seems rantic was hacked. If it's a fake it's been much better reasearched than previous "hacks".
Also, it puts into question whether the backpedal tweet was legitimate.
[URL]http://www.rantic.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]
i dont know whats fake or not anymore
[QUOTE=Wii60;46079100]dont give her direct attention (asking gamergate questions in front of everyone attending, for example)
despite her being ground zero, shes not relevant to gamergate.
either watch, silently record the entire thing and put online (incase someone else politely asks and then zoe bitches on twitter about her confrence being "attacked" or some dumb crap), or ignore it.[/QUOTE]
Should.I take a picture of her up on stage, make a fake twitter acount and send it to her? :v
[editline]26th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr Cow;46079117]It seems rantic was hacked. If it's a fake it's been much better reasearched than previous "hacks".
Also, it puts into question whether the backpedal tweet was legitimate.
[URL]http://www.rantic.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]
This is starting to become or is bigger than fucking chanology years ago
[QUOTE=Minimal;46079134]Should.I take a picture of her up on stage, make a fake twitter acount and send it to her? :v
[editline]26th September 2014[/editline]
This is starting to become or is bigger than fucking chanology years ago[/QUOTE]
I dont see a reason to do anything with,for ,against,because,or in response to her she is pretty irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Crash155;46079107]hit her in the face with a pie, and when someone tries to grab you, yell "it's a prank"[/QUOTE]
#justpunning *poke*
[quote] skepticism [/quote]
It's a trifold issue, and EA has already tried the "golly we have to do better" and literally stolen word for word googleX's mission statement
[URL]http://www.astroteller.net/CharlieRose.php[/URL]
[URL]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129314-EA-CEO-Wants-Its-Games-to-Fail-For-the-Right-Reasons[/URL]
So you'll forgive me for simply sighing instead jumping out of my chair in glee that TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION is coming soon, courtesy of our kind overlords at Electronic Arts.
As stated earlier, there will be a lot of people of people changing chairs at EA's satellite companies in the coming months, unless some kind of internal glasnost starts happening. That's isn't idle speculation, it's direct from people whom are tired of working for people that actively promote stepford wife "tolerance" which is simply conformity enforced by a overly-smiling HRL with a bachelor's in corporate law, not sociology or psychology or a counseling craft.
People that don't want to work under a management system that actively distrusts and secretly despises its own userbase, a regime wherein the bottom line mandates outrank general customer satisfaction. A design philosophy where hitting bullet points matters more than creativity or taking risks to make IPs memorable instead of profitable.
Both sides certainly have points, but AGG has done and said things well beyond good conduct towards customers whom without they literally cannot survive, EA literally committed to a side without bothering to do research or see if allegations were in fact, true.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u0EL_u4nvw[/media]
Part of growing up a gamer means maybe your fave IP is missed by you because you don't support a company that doesn't support you, and maybe you pick it up later on when that company has made a considerable change in its policies and personnel. Maybe you find other stuff and folks to support.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46079100]dont give her direct attention (asking gamergate questions in front of everyone attending, for example)
despite her being ground zero, shes not relevant to gamergate.
either watch, silently record the entire thing and put online (incase someone else politely asks and then zoe bitches on twitter about her confrence being "attacked" or some dumb crap), or ignore it.[/QUOTE]
So if I'm following all this correctly, Zoe Quinn is to Gamergate as Archduke Ferdinand is to WWI.
[QUOTE=ArchXeno;46079357]So if I'm following all this correctly, Zoe Quinn is to Gamergate as Archduke Ferdinand is to WWI.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the event has less to do with sheer dumb luck and more with sheer dumb... dumbness.
[QUOTE=ArchXeno;46079357]So if I'm following all this correctly, Zoe Quinn is to Gamergate as Archduke Ferdinand is to WWI.[/QUOTE]
Except the Archduke actually cared about the Bosnians.
More bullshit countdowns:
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/SrYTMna.png[/thumb]
[url]http://www.crowdawareness.com/[/url] or [url]https://archive.today/H6Vrc[/url]
This basically confirms the hack as a hoax, but I digress, this is a red herring, we should ignore Rantic.
[QUOTE=Mr Cow;46079743]More bullshit countdowns:
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/SrYTMna.png[/thumb]
[url]http://www.crowdawareness.com/[/url] or [url]https://archive.today/H6Vrc[/url]
This basically confirms the hack as a hoax, but I digress, this is a red herring, we should ignore Rantic.[/QUOTE]
Some people must be desperate with the click baits, I bet It's gonna be some dumb article after the counter comes off.
[QUOTE=Mr Cow;46079743]More bullshit countdowns:
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/SrYTMna.png[/thumb]
[url]http://www.crowdawareness.com/[/url] or [url]https://archive.today/H6Vrc[/url]
This basically confirms the hack as a hoax, but I digress, this is a red herring, we should ignore Rantic.[/QUOTE]
Calling it now: This countdown was made by the same people who made Rantic itself.
It's probably going to try and "expose" (which means, make shit up) that some people associated with Gamergate are behind it.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46079895]Calling it now: This countdown was made by the same people who made Rantic itself.
It's probably going to try and "expose" (which means, make shit up) that some people associated with Gamergate are behind it.[/QUOTE]Fast forward your clock and see if that doesn't open up the site like it did last time.
I doubt that the Rantic thing has anything to do with Gamergate, I think it's someone trying to cash in on the attention generated by the celeb nude leaks.
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