Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;46080147]I doubt that the Rantic thing has anything to do with Gamergate, I think it's someone trying to cash in on the attention generated by the celeb nude leaks.[/QUOTE] They can always get involved for more clicks. Or whatever.

[quote=EA]We have all had to deal with trolls, a-holes, hacker kids, and gamers/fans/haters of all stripes for years. The one redeeming quality of all them (to me) was that they were always gamers – and that was an enthusiasm and love that we all shared. That passion made people do crazy things. As easy as it could have been, I never lost respect for the audience. The people we make games for – even some of the bad ones. That’s our business, and I HOPE its why we all still do this. Love for the art AND for the fans. Two sides of the same coin. This group of gamers for #GamerGate are angry. PISSED. I don’t think this incident with Ms. Quinn and the media are the direct cause of this exclusively, but rather a spark that blew up some smoldering issues that have been building for years. This level of anger and commitment by these gamers is intense, and its growing. Something is wrong here, this is abnormal. My opinion: Its not about Social Justice warriors, that has always been a strong influence in gaming. Sometimes its annoying, sure, but it can also be a positive force as well, a much-needed conscience, and a reminder to us all to consider what we create says and means to people of all ages and backgrounds. [B]Its not really about ethics. Games Media and Games Development have always been intertwined like Siamese twins. We depend on each other greatly, and this relationship (when properly balanced) benefits games and gamers as a whole.[/B] I think the real problem here is alienation. Not of values. That’s misguided. Its not liberal/conservative values, politics, or world-view. Its fear of being meaningless. Its about our loss of connection between ordinary gamers and the games industry. We are losing our connection with people. I think our industry has been drifting further and further away from our fans, as our business get larger, and our global reach gets broader. This lack of a relationship, of mutual feedback, of a personal connection between ourselves and the audience (I believe) is really the true culprit of most deep seated anger here. There is no connection with us, no trust, not even understanding. Yet gamers depend more and more on us for their primary entertainment (important!) and we absolutely depend on them as customers. Yet, our relationship – is increasingly one-sided. They being the unit sale, the % converted on the acquisition funnel, or the revenue target – not the person, the player, the gamer who is (or was) exactly like all of us. We NEED them, and they KNOW we need them. They NEED us too – but have we forgotten that? Do we sometimes feel, we don’t really need them? This alienation and dependency brings about epic rage – think banks, cellular providers, airlines, cable companies and the hate those relationships generate with customers who NEED that service but get treated like beasts… that’s our future (some would say our present). And in this environment, a back-handed slap to a mass group of gamers who are mass-labeled “misogynists” “rapists” “gamers are dead” “Games ashamed” are just fighting words yelled by a distant, contemptuous, un-connected gaming entity that is part of the establishment elite – and this same recipe (the exact same spark) of every single race/political/protest riot the world over from the beginning of time. And like every protest, there are those who support the activists and those who support law & order, and the establishment. But the root cause of the event is usually NOT what they are yelling and fighting about, but something much deeper, and harder to explain. Usually being oppressed, insulted, or just generally being abused and invisible. And in this outburst of anger, some of the media turned and fired into the gamer protesters, which then became a riot. Both sides now dehumanize the other, making it easier to escalate. I wish I knew how to diffuse it. Your friend, Chris[/quote] This pisses me off. It started alright saying it isn't about SJWs and that ZQ was just the straw that broke the camels back but then they start saying that it isn't about ethics and we are just throwing a fit because game companies are getting too big and successful for it to feel personal anymore. You can't just tell people why they are angry and then apologise for that while dismissing the real issue.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;46081040]This pisses me off. It started alright saying it isn't about SJWs and that ZQ was just the straw that broke the camels back but then they start saying that it isn't about ethics and we are just throwing a fit because game companies are getting too big and successful for it to feel personal anymore. You can't just tell people why they are angry and then apologise for that while dismissing the real issue.[/QUOTE] To be fair, I don't think he's aware of the egregious and blatant conflicts of interest that have been unearthed. To use a familiar term, he doesn't think it's about ethics because he doesn't know how far down the rabbit hole goes.

[QUOTE=Hidole555;46081148]To be fair, I don't think he's aware of the egregious and blatant conflicts of interest that have been unearthed. To use a familiar term, he doesn't think it's about ethics because he doesn't know how far down the rabbit hole goes.[/QUOTE] Pretty much. Everyone talking about it hasn't been deep in the trenches with 8chan and Reddit, and they [i]probably[/i] haven't seen (or trusted) the actual factual articles published by smaller companies that have nothing to lose. Remember: you can weaponize[del]nice[/del]education.

btw for those who are deciding whether or not cracked.com is ok to read still or not meet the exec editor of cracked.com and author of john dies at the end [URL]http://imgur.com/a/vCsaj#0[/URL] [editline]26th September 2014[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5Pz4I8c.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46083322]btw for those who are deciding whether or not cracked.com is ok to read still or not meet the exec editor of cracked.com and author of john dies at the end [URL]http://imgur.com/a/vCsaj#0[/URL] [editline]26th September 2014[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5Pz4I8c.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] That's a shame. I really enjoyed John Dies at the End.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46083322]btw for those who are deciding whether or not cracked.com is ok to read still or not meet the exec editor of cracked.com and author of john dies at the end [URL]http://imgur.com/a/vCsaj#0[/URL][/QUOTE] Ugh, what an asshole. As if I didn't have enough reasons to stop reading that site during my lunch breaks with the whole Literally Who articles and everything

[QUOTE=Wii60;46083322]btw for those who are deciding whether or not cracked.com is ok to read still or not meet the exec editor of cracked.com and author of john dies at the end [URL]http://imgur.com/a/vCsaj#0[/URL][/QUOTE] What a patronizing and creepy douchebag.

[QUOTE=Ziron;46083910]What a patronizing and creepy douchebag.[/QUOTE] A hypocritical douchebag as well.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46083322]btw for those who are deciding whether or not cracked.com is ok to read still or not meet the exec editor of cracked.com and author of john dies at the end [URL]http://imgur.com/a/vCsaj#0[/URL] [/QUOTE] That's an SJW alright. SJWF even. Social Justice Warfighter, because Warrior just doesn't cover the stupidity, hypocrisy and creepiness of these posts - jumping at every opportunity to get attention by spouting misguided bullshit that vaguely resembles... something. I don't even know what it's supposed to resemble, but not human speech.

[quote] shame, I really enjoyed [/quote] That's not a shame, and that's part of the point. No one is a cardboard cut-out. No one is the sum of one sentence, regardless of what Leigh Alexander or anyone else would have you believe. We let comedians give us the truth, why can't anyone else? At the base aspect of it, gaming is two things: the communication of _____, and allowing the purveyor of that communication to perhaps alter or color that _____ in a way provided by the medium that means something unique to them. That's it. #AGG wants to say that any artist or interpreter of an interactive medium has to both be and fit/follow a criteria to have access or even participate in that medium. [B] No you don't, and frankly, fuck you for saying so [/B] There are already plenty of societal blocks, checks, and gates for gamers to jump and go through: monetary, language, subject matter, cultural bias, etc. The point isn't LW slept around, the point is LW slept around to enhance her career, deliberately sabotaged other peoples' work and careers themselves. Orland and the people who published the groupthink articles need to be fired, fullstop, and businesses where the owner says "I can fucking end your career, because I am the business" need to be abandoned like a sinking ship. I have yet see an SJW overtly or vocally involved in GG that hasn't directly fit the profile of the people they supposedly fight against, and I have yet to see anyone consider the reason that the uproar has lasted this long is because it's the right action for the right reasons. The only salient point #AGG has made is certain people need to reign in their bullshit on the personal lives of people in the industry, but that point existed well before tumblr was even an idea, contrary to their crowing, not only have they not brought anything new to anyone's attention, all they've done is alienate people who would normally stand beside them and defend their right to call out people's bs. Turtle Rock CA shows his ass in public, same for Xbox rep, he's fired within a day; Leigh and Dina continue to spew vitriol like 14 year old /b/tards and receive praise. As apolitical as I tend to be, this one is pretty clear cut, there is a right side and wrong side, and while the wrong side started on a virtuous path, they left it a long, long time ago. Threatening to end someone's career because they don't agree with you is the [B]literal[/B] definition of bullying and harassment. These people need to go. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too, and you get to play by the rules just like everyone else.

KingofPol is live again (headline is "Debate Day with Anti GG & IA"): [url]http://www.hitbox.tv/kingofpol[/url]

[QUOTE=27X;46084580]Huge post, huge point[/QUOTE] I hope you weren't saying 'fuck you' to me :v: I promise I mean no harm. And really, that's what most upsets me about this thing. The corruption is huge, but it's mostly the people who claim they fight for equality that are so damn corrupted. You have SJWs with huuuuge pull getting other people doxxed and ddosed and threatened. I really want to know if they buy their own crap or if they're out just to make money.

The people like Sina,LW,and LA are in it for the money.The followers who stand to gain nothing are either Trolls,people are out to harm and use SJ as a shield,people who have been harmed and sought an outlet for that anger,people who can't form an opinion and follow the loudest voice.

Watching the debate. This Kaz dude, man... Word's cannot describe.

it's just a hypothesis! people read sites that call you shit for enjoyment!

-dumb-

[QUOTE=Wii60;46085507]guys the hashtag died, kaz said so[/QUOTE] he was talking about #comicgate

[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;46085511]he was talking about #comicgate[/QUOTE] oh i need to stop phasing in and out of the convo.

Hotwheels is on Kingofpol's stream [i]right now![/i] I'm kinda ashamed to say it, but he sounds exactly like what I thought he'd sound like.

Hotwheels has arrived. Praise Hotwheels. [editline]27th September 2014[/editline] Now he's playing oppression quest.

hotwheels wouldn't let us know who his /a/ waifu is :(

[url]http://oppressionquest.com/[/url]

What a guy is Hotwheels. can't say the same about that Kaz fellow though. His agility stat must be sky high with the amount of dodging he was doing.

[QUOTE=Highwind017;46085917]What a guy is Hotwheels. can't say the same about that Kaz fellow though. His agility stat must be sky high with the amount of dodging he was doing.[/QUOTE] I couldn't even tell what he was saying most of the time, point-wise. His accent wasn't too bad.

Quick update: working on the 2nd video right now, just finished compiling the receipts. There's approximately 50 examples of Zoe Quinn withholding information (from medical testing information on STD's, all the way to personal intent) within the Zoepost chat logs. I'm scared guys. I really don't want to make another 55 minute video.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46086445]Quick update: working on the 2nd video right now, just finished compiling the receipts. There's approximately 50 examples of Zoe Quinn withholding information (from medical testing information on STD's, all the way to personal intent) within the Zoepost chat logs. I'm scared guys. I really don't want to make another 55 minute video.[/QUOTE] Just make 5 11-minute videos, and release each one several months apart. The Tropes vs. Women audience will LOVE it!

[QUOTE=Reimu;46086445]Quick update: working on the 2nd video right now, just finished compiling the receipts. There's approximately 50 examples of Zoe Quinn withholding information (from medical testing information on STD's, all the way to personal intent) within the Zoepost chat logs. I'm scared guys. I really don't want to make another 55 minute video.[/QUOTE] I believe in you. Just don't take more than a decade to make the third one.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46086445]Quick update: working on the 2nd video right now, just finished compiling the receipts. There's approximately 50 examples of Zoe Quinn withholding information (from medical testing information on STD's, all the way to personal intent) within the Zoepost chat logs. I'm scared guys. I really don't want to make another 55 minute video.[/QUOTE] I almost wonder if this should be in a different thread? I know that the incident with Zoe started off the debate, but I feel as if the two issues are separate now. As wonderful as it is that you're taking the time to do this, I guess I want more people to see it. Maybe something in the Videos section?

[QUOTE=Reimu;46086445]withholding information (from medical testing information on STD's[/QUOTE] Seriously? Jesus. Actually, yeah, make smaller vids. It'll put less of a strain on you and this way I think more people will watch it too. Dedicating an hour of one's life to listen how much of a piece of shit one person can be requires a lot of patience to not just say "I get it, she's an emotional terrorist" and stop. And since I believe your vids have some educational value ("how not to treat your partner"), it would be good if they spread around more.