Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=blerb;46104588]I think the best thing Zoe can do at this point is just acknowledge how much damage she's done and truly apologize. I know it can be hard to own your mistakes sometimes, but she is only digging her grave deeper and deeper the longer she fights Eron and GG, especially with more and more evidence surfacing about her true colours. She will be hard pressed to find a job in this industry if she doesn't (if she can at all anymore). Honestly, Reimu is doing her a favour with his videos. Not many people get analyzed on a personal level with such precision, especially not for free. It's basically free therapy at this point. I wish I had that luxury. Having it public for the world to see (and a portion of the world will surely use it to harass her) may be uncomfortable, but if she's capable of even a small amount of empathy, she will own up to her actions and come to understand just how necessary it was. Wishful thinking, of course.[/QUOTE]Zoe Quinn, empathy? I'd be blindly ignorant if I believed that were possible after watching Reimu's videos and looking at the chat log.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46105528]Zoe Quinn, empathy? I'd be blindly ignorant if I believed that were possible after watching Reimu's videos and looking at the chat log.[/QUOTE] Perhaps. I suppose for some people, her empathy may just appear to be a ruse, and I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. Yet still, if she wants to ever be properly respected in this industry, compromise is a necessity, not an option; even if it's feigned ala the JonTron debacle. Sincerity would be optimal of course, but she doesn't seem to be that type of person, unfortunately. Honestly, I hope she fucks herself over. I don't believe she deserves to have her life completely ruined because of this, but she definitely does not deserve the praise she receives, and the power that comes with it.

[QUOTE=blerb;46104588]I think the best thing Zoe can do at this point is just acknowledge how much damage she's done and truly apologize. I know it can be hard to own your mistakes sometimes, but she is only digging her grave deeper and deeper the longer she fights Eron and GG, especially with more and more evidence surfacing about her true colours. She will be hard pressed to find a job in this industry if she doesn't (if she can at all anymore). Honestly, Reimu is doing her a favour with his videos. Not many people get analyzed on a personal level with such precision, especially not for free. It's basically free therapy at this point. I wish I had that luxury. Having it public for the world to see (and a portion of the world will surely use it to harass her) may be uncomfortable, but if she's capable of even a small amount of empathy, she will own up to her actions and come to understand just how necessary it was. Wishful thinking, of course.[/QUOTE] Do you really think that would solve anything? Do you think that if she said sorry other people would go "alright, she apologized, let's leave her alone now"? Considering this is the internet, that is in fact wishful thinking.

[QUOTE=blerb;46105733]I don't believe she deserves to have her life completely ruined because of this.[/QUOTE] I can't say I agree. She should never be accepted in a position of any authority whatsoever ever again. She's a slimy little manipulative shit, and I wouldn't feel sorry in the slightest if she's stuck flipping burgers for the rest of her life. I wouldn't believe her even if she said she was sorry at this point. Even now she's still pretending to be the victim. How could you trust anything she says? She's damned either way, and she's done nothing but bring it upon herself. Fuck her. Honestly, the more careers that are utterly destroyed the better. You know that if things aren't completely and utterly burned level to the ground that they will just pick up right where they left off once it blows over. These people have outright said they do not accept that they were wrong in the slightest, so fuck them. Fuck their views, fuck their relevance, fuck their careers. They are delusional, and their continuing existence only serves to hurt gaming, and put a bad face on every legitimate movement for minority rights. The entire set of feminist, LGBT, and minority movements has been corrupted by these hypocritical, buzzword spouting, trigger warning happy, oppressive bigots. The best possible outcome here is to show that we not only as gamers, but as just plain old human beings, will not stand for their blatant bullshit. I have no delusions that this movement will entirely eliminate this mindset, but the more we can do to remove it from anything remotely mainstream gaming, the longer it will be till have to go through this whole fiasco again, and the sooner we can sit down and [B]play some goddam video games.[/B]

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46105925]Do you really think that would solve anything? Do you think that if she said sorry other people would go "alright, she apologized, let's leave her alone now"? Considering this is the internet, that is in fact wishful thinking.[/QUOTE] Depending on if she was sincere or not...some would. You'll still get the group of assholes that continue to plague her because they're assholes that like getting a rise out of people, but eventually the spotlight goes away and they move on to the next fun target to harass. It's a much better solution than constantly jumping back in the spotlight and saying how stupid and misogynistic gamers are, woe is me, here's my patreon.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;46105997][B]I can't say I agree.[/B] She should never be accepted in a position of any authority whatsoever ever again. She's a slimy little manipulative shit, and I wouldn't feel sorry in the slightest if she's stuck flipping burgers for the rest of her life. [B]I wouldn't believe her even if she said she was sorry at this point.[/B] Even now she's still pretending to be the victim. How could you trust anything she says? She's damned either way, and she's done nothing but bring it upon herself. [B]Fuck her.[/B] [B]Honestly, the more careers that are utterly destroyed the better.[/B] You know that if things aren't completely and utterly burned level to the ground that they will just pick up right where they left off once it blows over. These people have outright said they do not accept that they were wrong in the slightest, so [B]fuck them. Fuck their views, fuck their relevance, fuck their careers.[/B] They are delusional, and their continuing existence only serves to hurt gaming, and put a bad face on every legitimate movement for minority rights.[/QUOTE] See what I mean, people? No matter what she does at this point she can't change the fact that some people on the internet are, to put it bluntly, assholes.

Well now, I'll just have to be devil's avocado, but a lot of opinions/ratings are becoming dangerously echo chamber-y. Let's not fall into the same mistakes that the anti-GG crowd did.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46106045]See what I mean, people? No matter what she does at this point she can't change the fact that some people on the internet are, to put it bluntly, assholes.[/QUOTE] If not wanting to give someone yet more chances to lie and and continue being an abusive piece of filth makes me an asshole, so be it. I'll wear that badge with pride. She has done nothing to deserve anything but scorn, and she has given ample reason to distrust anything she says. As I said weeks ago, if you want to feel pity for anyone, feel it for the minority groups in the industry who will suffer because of actions like hers. You can be sure that the bigots on the other side will use actions like hers as an excuse to justify and perpetuate their bigotry. Pity is wasted on psychopaths.

Not wanting someone who has proved time and again that she's a manipulative individual who ruins other people's lives for her own personal profit to be in a position of power doesn't really come off as assholish to me. If anything, that's actually altruistic towards people who would be her victims should she remain in such a position.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;46106502]If not wanting to give someone yet more chances to lie and and continue being an abusive piece of filth makes me an asshole, so be it. [B]I'll wear that badge with pride.[/B] [B]She has done nothing to deserve anything but scorn[/B], and she has given ample reason to distrust anything she says. As I said weeks ago, if you want to feel pity for anyone, feel it for the minority groups in the industry who will suffer because of actions like hers. You can be sure that the bigots on the other side will use actions like hers as an excuse to justify and perpetuate their bigotry. [B]Pity is wasted on psychopaths.[/B][/QUOTE] With coments like these and: [QUOTE=Zephyrs;46105997][...][B]fuck them. Fuck their views, fuck their relevance, fuck their careers.[/B][/QUOTE] You sure are showing me who's the better, less sociopathic person here.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46106571]With coments like these and: You sure are showing me who's the better, less sociopathic person here.[/QUOTE] You're just playing tone police now, no one cares.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46106571]With coments like these and: You sure are showing me who's the better, less sociopathic person here.[/QUOTE] Simply put, no one really cares.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46106045]See what I mean, people? No matter what she does at this point she can't change the fact that some people on the internet are, to put it bluntly, assholes.[/QUOTE] So assholes on the internet speaking from afar are worse than actual proven abusers? What's the point of such a statement but to left her off the hook [editline]29th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Manibogi;46105925]Do you really think that would solve anything? Do you think that if she said sorry other people would go "alright, she apologized, let's leave her alone now"? Considering this is the internet, that is in fact wishful thinking.[/QUOTE] So what do you recommend she do then?

I have a feeling that this whole debacle will end as soon as the Eron lawsuit happens. Then everyone will realize how fucked up this actually is, and know whom's side is right!

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46105925]Considering this is the internet, that is in fact wishful thinking.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Manibogi;46106045]See what I mean, people? No matter what she does at this point she can't change the fact that some people on the internet are, to put it bluntly, assholes.[/QUOTE] Just pointing that's how the real world works too. Don't expect people to automatically accept your apologies after you pulled some stupid shit.

Yo Remiu, this lawsuit is coming up soon, what ever you can hit the anti-GG people with will be fine! Just hit them with all ya got! Thread music: [video=youtube;mjY6awCr2_c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjY6awCr2_c&list=PLB5A294C912C49005&index=55[/video]

These are people who took a page from scientoligy in dealing with criticism,this will just piss them off more.Some will never leave that echo chamber.

TB destroyed [url=http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2014/9/29/6862757/dota-2-the-1000-hour-review]The Verge/Vox's article on Dota 2[/url]: [url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ngiujr[/url]

I know we probably won't lost at this point, but I'm scared to even imagine what would happen if we did

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46106571]With coments like these and: You sure are showing me who's the better, less sociopathic person here.[/QUOTE] You want us to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who is a confirmed liar, abuser, and manipulator. Just stop for a moment and think about that. This thread alone literally has hundreds of direct quotes from her alone showing that she cannot be trusted, and you want people to do exactly that. I don't have to be a sociopath to despise her. Nor does not wanting to even entertain the possibility of giving her yet another chance to piss on make me a sociopath. I'm not clicking my heals in glee at the thought of her career being ruined. I simply see zero benefit in having it continue. If anything, this apologist crap is exactly the problem. She majorly fucked up. Now she gets to reap the repercussions. I'm not going to apologize because I want her gone. If you want to give her more chances, be my guest. I don't. I'm sick and tired of hate groups being labeled as social justice. People like her need to be removed so that the social movements they claim to be a part of can be improved.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;46107190]TB destroyed [url=http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2014/9/29/6862757/dota-2-the-1000-hour-review]The Verge/Vox's article on Dota 2[/url]: [url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ngiujr[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]*picture of Queen of Pain* One of the artefacts of the game being designed by young males is in its presentation.[/quote] [B][I]*SCREAMS EXTERNALLY*[/I][/B] [editline]29th September 2014[/editline] [quote]Most egregious for me is the case of Crystal Maiden, whose death animation involves a momentary glimpse of the character stripped down to her underwear[/quote] Clearly, obviously, not a glitch at all with the games cosmetic system. No sir, they did that on purpose. *rolls eyes*

[img]http://i.imgur.com/AbapZkJ.png[/img] [url]http://www.dotabuff.com/players/158821421[/url] Talk about irony.

I've heard through the Grapevine that most of these male writers make up bullshit like that just to boost their progressive cred in the hopes of getting fucked. That's not hyperbole, either. They quite literally do this just to impress people they want to hook up with. They're literally the kind of SJ allies our community despises: saying the right mixture of words to appear social justicey. Yet, instead, these people end up in positions of power and dictate the progressive narratives in gaming journalism. It's disgusting.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46107902]I've heard through the Grapevine that most of these male writers make up bullshit like that just to boost their progressive cred in the hopes of getting fucked. That's not hyperbole, either. They quite literally do this just to impress people they want to hook up with. They're literally the kind of SJ allies our community despises: saying the right mixture of words to appear social justicey. Yet, instead, these people end up in positions of power and dictate the progressive narratives in gaming journalism. It's disgusting.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't be surprising at all if that were true. Having sex with people that further their own narrative/agenda is okay, because the end justifies the means. Disgusting is only the tip of the iceberg.

Oh dear, that Verge article just got mailed out through its mailing lists, with the article featured in the subject line. Unsubscribe? Absolutely.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46107902]I've heard through the Grapevine that most of these male writers make up bullshit like that just to boost their progressive cred in the hopes of getting fucked. That's not hyperbole, either. They quite literally do this just to impress people they want to hook up with. They're literally the kind of SJ allies our community despises: saying the right mixture of words to appear social justicey. Yet, instead, these people end up in positions of power and dictate the progressive narratives in gaming journalism. It's disgusting.[/QUOTE] wasnt there a study showing the easiest way to get laid is to impress feminists or am i thinking wrong

[QUOTE=Reimu;46107902]I've heard through the Grapevine that most of these male writers make up bullshit like that just to boost their progressive cred in the hopes of getting fucked. That's not hyperbole, either. They quite literally do this just to impress people they want to hook up with. They're literally the kind of SJ allies our community despises: saying the right mixture of words to appear social justicey. Yet, instead, these people end up in positions of power and dictate the progressive narratives in gaming journalism. It's disgusting.[/QUOTE] Sociopaths being manipulative and ruining everything around them so that they can advance themselves? You don't say.

[QUOTE=Mr.95;46107198]I know we probably won't lost at this point, but I'm scared to even imagine what would happen if we did[/QUOTE] Sure people have suceeded by getting the truth out, but those who are anti-gamergate aren't going anywhere. They will continue harassing and threatening game devs and anyone who speaks a word against them. It's not something easy to tackle like curruption, abuse or racketeering. They will probably continue to mob devs over stuff like female characters they don't like or just making gaming communities hostile places. So in the long run I don't think we're set for a 'win' or nothing in the way of genuinely making gaming more inlusive for women.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46107902]I've heard through the Grapevine that most of these male writers make up bullshit like that just to boost their progressive cred in the hopes of getting fucked. That's not hyperbole, either. They quite literally do this just to impress people they want to hook up with. They're literally the kind of SJ allies our community despises: saying the right mixture of words to appear social justicey. Yet, instead, these people end up in positions of power and dictate the progressive narratives in gaming journalism. It's disgusting.[/QUOTE] So basically, articles like the "problematic Dota2 outfits" and the dogshit Tropico 5 review posted earlier is the 30-something's version of this: [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IIgECR80Ptg/UUJwrO6FA0I/AAAAAAAACro/U8GAM1l4oZY/s1600/879645132846513284651.PNG[/img] Good job on shitting on feminism's reputation even more so can you get laid, asshole!

So 8chan is off to a great start. Apparently the 8chan /v/ mod is worse than the mods on 4chan's /v/, /furry/ is the most popular board by a long shot akin to FurAffinity, and /younglove/ exists. [editline].[/editline] It was only a matter of time until they'd run into the same problem 4chan had. And then do the same exact thing.