Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread.

[Thlis]

[QUOTE=xxncxx;46149464]Also possible. My immediate thought when I saw the pic was to try it on myself to see if its actually legit. Last thing we need is false flags.[/QUOTE]
Here's an open letter from the guy who sent the complaint to github
[url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sce3fa[/url]

[Tamschi]

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;46149036]Trying to figure out if the people emailing you are real or not and/or developers or not is not against the law. Googling someone's email is not against the law nor even unethical. It's what people do when they receive hundreds of complaints.[/QUOTE]

I half-agree, but company laws are somewhat strict about sharing data with third parties, and the circumstances should have no bearing on how the complaints are dealt with.

I'm not entirely sure whether systematically looking up customer emails on third party websites would be legal in the EU.
It's probably legal in the US though.

Also interesting to note:

[quote][URL="https://archive.today/nbMpc"]hot tater ‏@dreww[/URL] [URL="https://archive.today/qlwUn"]16 Std.[/URL]

@Chriss_m @github cool you're a huge moron[/quote]
Doing the above in reverse is ground for cancellation of the account according to their ToS.

(I'd write [URL="https://archive.today/nbMpc"]@dreww[/URL] off as troll in half a second but there are actually [URL="https://archive.today/T7JTp"]previous conversations[/URL]. (I think it's possible to change handles though, so it's not 100% verified.))

[editline]4th October 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=xxncxx;46149416]Yes because they need to know everything about the personal lives of someone complaining about their service. Regardless, its entirely possible that the email is fake. I tried searching my own email via the same website about an hour ago and I haven't received any emails about someone looking me up.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if there are services that can publicly witness receiving an email... maybe with a trash-mail address that's retrievable without password and archive.today. I'll try this in a bit.

Emails are somewhat easy to forge though outside additional verification protocols. It's not possible to forge emails by Google users to Google users since they are all signed as part of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys_Identified_Mail"]DKIM[/URL], same for emails Facebook sends:

DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=facebookmail.com;
	s=s1024-2013-q3; t=1412429093;
	bh=sf6IQiPzQidmopGKYaWGb+Al+Ymc1eMY5WnsFovm6DM=;
	h=Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type;
	b=gQ3B/vwPPrbwXACUJitnIkk348TCPhAnA+cy89XbiW+U/nrEyEv8vvmy/SXv0Kdo8
	 PfOxzpG+St6afsGYJpfXkJA7wnUOFFr1cy/wNNLBnL5s5U/baEgoSbcXKOXWL2mwtL
	 +MuP//6SxboI6qrjdf+Objr2webxazji6Dy3jFpg=

[B]This means that you can actually reliably prove having received an email from a Gmail user's account btw![/B]
The email's text is [del]not included in the hash however, so you can only verify the header fields listed after [I]h=[/I] and the information included in the [I]DKIM-Signature[/I] field above.[/del]
[editline]I should have read the article better.[/editline] verifiable through the [I]bh=[/I] (body hash) but not included in the signature directly, which means you can choose not to disclose the message.
The verification will error, but should do so in a way that specifies that the body hash didn't match.

Facepunch's private message notifications are signed this way too, so if you want to complain about someone being an ass to you just upload the .eml file and enjoy your based accusation :eng101:

[Reimu]

I have an interesting conversation to share. Zoe Quinn and I just had a discussion on call outs on twitter.

Getting permission first from her and a 3rd party, but would love to storify it and share.

[Tamschi]

[URL="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/dkim-verifier/"]Here's a DKIM verification addon for Thunderbird[/URL], you just have to change a lot of [URL="https://github.com/lieser/dkim_verifier/wiki/Options"]the settings[/URL] to make it strict enough to be helpful.

By default it probably won't display or warn much and leaves you open to unsigned mails even if you already got a signed one from a certain address.

[editline]edit[/editline]

I just realised something: If Gjoni had his Facebook email notifications set to "spammy" (like me, because I virtually never go on the site otherwise), he may actually have cryptographic proof of part his conversations.

There are no notifications when the user is currently online or of own messages however.

[Jamsponge]

[QUOTE=Reimu;46150609]I have an interesting conversation to share. Zoe Quinn and I just had a discussion on call outs on twitter.

Getting permission first from her and a 3rd party, but would love to storify it and share.[/QUOTE]
I hope we can get as much factual information as possible. Also interesting to know that she talked to you- is she aware of your videos?

[Reimu]

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46150906]I hope we can get as much factual information as possible. Also interesting to know that she talked to you- is she aware of your videos?[/QUOTE]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/CAHQZCf.png[/img]

Yeah.

[Tamschi]

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46150906]I hope we can get as much factual information as possible. Also interesting to know that she talked to you- is she aware of your videos?[/QUOTE]

I'd assume so, it's a bit hard to miss them while the video is pinned on Reimu's twitter account :v:

[Reimu]

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46150980]I'd assume so, it's a bit hard to miss them while the video is pinned on Reimu's twitter account :v:[/QUOTE]

I think it's relatively common knowledge by now. Most of the SJ indie scene knew about me from the trigger warning articles, anyway.

I was talking to Jenn Frank the other day, for instance, and she directly told me she had been following my work & journey with TW's. I think most of them knew who I was, and, to be honest, were probably quite surprised that I became supportive of GG.

[Miya]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/RF6dgxu.png[/IMG]

meow

[editline]4th October 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=xxncxx;46149464]Also possible. My immediate thought when I saw the pic was to try it on myself to see if its actually legit. Last thing we need is false flags.[/QUOTE]

happened to me too when i did it

[URL]http://i.imgur.com/qFkYWHu.png[/URL]

im currently goin through all the shit is uses to find stuff out on me and wiping it.

for those who want to do the same, the most invasive one it uses is this site called fullcontact.com, you can wipe your shit here: [url]http://www.fullcontact.com/privacy/[/url]

[Banned?]

Looked myself up on that Email Sherlock thing. Found surprisingly little, real name was only on two accounts, although I don't know what the fuck this Full Contact shit is.

[Miya]

[QUOTE=Banned?;46151643]Looked myself up on that Email Sherlock thing. Found surprisingly little, real name was only on two accounts, although I don't know what the fuck this Full Contact shit is.[/QUOTE]

i didnt know about it till now either
which is why it was scary this site had my information all put together (Name, Age, Gender, Where i lived, etc.)

[Fangz]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46151709]i didnt know about it till now either
which is why it was scary this site had my information all put together (Name, Age, Gender, Where i lived, etc.)[/QUOTE]

Same as well as the fact that my email and username have shown up in government records as well.

:tinfoil: Might have to buy that report from the companion site.

[Redswandir]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46151709]i didnt know about it till now either
which is why it was scary this site had my information all put together (Name, Age, Gender, Where i lived, etc.)[/QUOTE]

same here, but funnily enough while my email isn't tied to my fb account the fullcontact info is 1-to-1 as accurate as my fb account is :v:

so at least I know who bought info from facebook then

[Sgt. Napalm]

[QUOTE=Banned?;46151643]Looked myself up on that Email Sherlock thing. Found surprisingly little, real name was only on two accounts, although I don't know what the fuck this Full Contact shit is.[/QUOTE]

It typed in my primary email, the one I use for Facebook, and it couldn't find anything. Turns out I've done a good job at covering my tracks.

[url]https://www.privacyfix.com/start[/url]

Try this if you're worried, guys.

[RayvenQ]

[QUOTE=Reimu;46150964][img]http://i.imgur.com/CAHQZCf.png[/img]

Yeah.[/QUOTE]

More like she's scared to talk publically about callouts because it's a tactic her army of followers uses and requires, so disapproving of it would probably alienate a lot of them, but she also can't approve of it, because, you know, hypocrisy.

Frankly, from what I've seen, she needs professional mental health help, so maybe Reimu, you talking to her would be a first step for that.

[HoodedSniper]

[QUOTE=Banned?;46151643]Looked myself up on that Email Sherlock thing. Found surprisingly little, real name was only on two accounts, although I don't know what the fuck this Full Contact shit is.[/QUOTE]

Surprisingly I had 0 connections, accounts with a similar name were on sites ive never been to, it says I have government records which its not lying but it wouldnt show me and it just took me to some stupid ad-bait shit or something. It showed the same thing on my old first email which surprisingly had fuck all on it.

[RayvenQ]

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46152182]Private conversations are easy to twist to "it was photo shopped" or "it is out of context" when things don't go as planned.[/QUOTE]

If that's towards what I said, what I mentioned doesn't neccesarily need to be publically broadcast.

[Reimu]

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46152151]More like she's scared to talk publically about callouts because it's a tactic her army of followers uses and requires, so disapproving of it would probably alienate a lot of them, but she also can't approve of it, because, you know, hypocrisy.

Frankly, from what I've seen, she needs professional mental health help, so maybe Reimu, you talking to her would be a first step for that.[/QUOTE]

I would actually love to talk to her, but I have no idea what she's currently thinking about. If she's legitimately looking for some support, hey, I'm 110% down for that - I'd love to do that.

But if she isn't looking for support or help for therapy, I don't know what a conversation would accomplish. Like, as I've said in the past, I don't wish her any ill-will. I just want her to get better as a person and end the cycle of abuse. I'm not confident that a conversation will help that at all unless she admits her role in the cycle. As my 2nd video states w/r/t Withholding, you cannot convince an abuser not to abuse. They have to learn to stop themselves.

Also,

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46152182]Private conversations are easy to twist to "it was photo shopped" or "it is out of context" when things don't go as planned.[/QUOTE]

This. Oh God, this. Even if Zoe is 100% looking to change, she's gotta understand that I have a [b]lot[/b] of reasons to feel unsafe in a private conversation.

Maybe in 6 months when GG ends if she's looking for help. Not now, though. Unless she takes a total 180 and things cool down with Eron, I don't think anything would be productive from that conversation.

Still, I'll think about it. I'm interested in seeing what Zoe is thinking about all this. It's pretty obvious she wants to talk to me about things and that she's, again, aware about what I'm doing. Which is already a pretty major accomplishment in my book.

[HoodedSniper]

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46152151]More like she's scared to talk publically about callouts because it's a tactic her army of followers uses and requires, so disapproving of it would probably alienate a lot of them, but she also can't approve of it, because, you know, hypocrisy.

Frankly, from what I've seen, she needs professional mental health help, so maybe Reimu, you talking to her would be a first step for that.[/QUOTE]

Ya this is how I ultimately feel. Zoe Quinn needs serious professional help, its quite clear she has a fuckload of mental health issues and she certainly is not in the right mindset to be a voice of depression like some people hail, and honestly, her depression is the least concerning mental health issue I see with her, some other shit she does is just way worse and has to be addressed before even hoping to help depression.

Also im not saying this in ill will, she really fucking needs some mental health help from professionals if she ever hopes to get better. Its clearly past the point of her just being a liar and manipulative, she has actual mental health concerns. Yet I doubt she would listen to people telling her that because NO ONE likes to hear that or admit it.

But she seriously needs a therapist and a psychiatrist who wont put up her bullshit and actually help her and honestly, I think shes far too gone as a person to become better on her own, like she has to get professional help or she will be a lost cause forever. Her mental instability has clearly been going on for YEARS taking on a lot different things, and I dont know how much she kept it in check with medicine/therapy/professionals, but I havent heard or read anything that says she has but clearly whatever she was doing was not helping.

[lazyguy]

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46152251]Surprisingly I had 0 connections, accounts with a similar name were on sites ive never been to, it says I have government records which its not lying but it wouldnt show me and it just took me to some stupid ad-bait shit or something. It showed the same thing on my old first email which surprisingly had fuck all on it.[/QUOTE]

Apparently I have government records too, even though I'm not in the US.

Am... Am I on a no-fly list?

[Reimu]

You know what all this feels like? The Negotiator series.

[sp]I'm a terrorist[/sp]

[wickedplayer494]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46152039]It typed in my primary email, the one I use for Facebook, and it couldn't find anything. Turns out I've done a good job at covering my tracks.

[url]https://www.privacyfix.com/start[/url]

Try this if you're worried, guys.[/QUOTE]

Same, seems like I've done a pretty good job. The "government records" thing is probably a load of bull and is only there to generate clicks.

Also hey, it looks like AVG might become relevant again with that tool.

[WulfMane]

[QUOTE=Heldure;46140465]dont know if anyone has posted this yet but goddamn all my favorite websites are becoming shit.
RIP Cracked
RIP Vice
[img]http://puu.sh/bXEzv/18af951e84.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Vice has a few writers that definitely take a scolding mother type tone with their articles.

[url]http://noisey.vice.com/blog/dragonforce-demoniac-interview[/url]

This is one that really pushed it to the forefront for me.

[RayvenQ]

[QUOTE=Reimu;46152263]
This. Oh God, this. Even if Zoe is 100% looking to change, she's gotta understand that I have a [b]lot[/b] of reasons to feel unsafe in a private conversation.

Maybe in 6 months when GG ends if she's looking for help. Not now, though. Unless she takes a total 180 and things cool down with Eron, I don't think anything would be productive from that conversation.

Still, I'll think about it. I'm interested in seeing what Zoe is thinking about all this. It's pretty obvious she wants to talk to me about things and that she's, again, aware about what I'm doing. Which is already a pretty major accomplishment in my book.[/QUOTE]

You'd just have to limit any personal information you put out there, and, as a prevention against thembeing modified etc, use time and date stamps combined with uploading them to pastebin (but keeping them private) as soon as the conversation has ended for that particular day, that doesn't make it immune to being taken out of context or edited etc etc, but it's a ace in the hole you can throw out if it does hapen. Maybe tell her you're doing this for your own protection, but, there is no agenda to the conversation, there's no spin, it's simply to try and help her.

The first step to fixing problems is admiting to yourself/realising that you infact have a problem, as, Zoe may not be able to actually see that she's doing anything wrong etc etc. Reimu may not be (I can't say one way or the other) a professional mental therapist, but from what I've seen of the videos, you do ave the understanding to maybe get her to open up about herself.

[HoodedSniper]

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46152353]You'd just have to limit any personal information you put out there, and, as a prevention against thembeing modified etc, use time and date stamps combined with uploading them to pastebin (but keeping them private) as soon as the conversation has ended for that particular day, that doesn't make it immune to being taken out of context or edited etc etc, but it's a ace in the hole you can throw out if it does hapen. Maybe tell her you're doing this for your own protection, but, there is no agenda to the conversation, there's no spin, it's simply to try and help her.

The first step to fixing problems is admiting to yourself/realising that you infact have a problem, as, Zoe may not be able to actually see that she's doing anything wrong etc etc. Reimu may not be (I can't say one way or the other) a professional mental therapist, but from what I've seen of the videos, you do ave the understanding to maybe get her to open up about herself.[/QUOTE]

Theres also the problem of people really acting and showing like they mean to change and really want to but ultimately dont. They can admit they know everything wrong with them, but deep down theres something that is just stopping them from changing and really acting to get better.

But thats a much bigger and broader issue with mental health and does not solely apply to Zoe Quinn and personally, I think the people DO want to change, but they cant or are in positions where doing so is extremely hard or dont even know how, like they know its wrong but not wrong enough for a change, thats really the only way I think I could describe that, I really have no other words.

Like they know whats wrong but they dont know fully understand why its so wrong to the point it forces them to change.

Ultimately, for a person like Zoe it will probably take years and years to fully get better, from the little ive heard of alleged past fucked up abusive relationships that were against Zoe but we cant even tell if these are even true, apparently she had a husband at one point who was a monster to her but erons the monster to her right now and I think from what we have seen its quite the opposite. On top of that very telling facebook and email we got yesterday, and everything else, theres A LOT wrong with her and its impossible to tell where the truth starts and where the lies begin and this is why she needs some seriously good professional help who wont put up with that bullshit and really get the facts.

Otherwise she will continue to stay a lost cause, whoever she decides to open up to for full support she HAS to 100% tell the full truth on EVERYTHING, no matter how shitty it makes her look, no matter how fucking awful of a person shes been, if she does not tell these people the 100% truth she will never get better.

If you lie to a therapist or psychiatrist you are literally wasting your time, they can only help you as much as you tell them, and you really dont want to start lying to the person who ultimately prescribes you really serious medicine like mental health meds, thats only going to hurt you if the meds are bad for you.

Plus the only time a therapist/pyschatrist ever share information is IF you say its okay for something, OR if you start telling them you are gonna hurt/kill someone/yourself, other than that its pure secrecy. So telling those guys the truth is really the best thing you can do.

[RayvenQ]

Ultimately, it's up to her to decide how much help she gets by how much help she allows herself to get and how willing she is to change, if she really is willing and really wanting that help, Reimu is a good first step on that path, professional help or not.

[Banned?]

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;46152326]Vice has a few writers that definitely take a scolding mother type tone with their articles.

[url]http://noisey.vice.com/blog/dragonforce-demoniac-interview[/url]

This is one that really pushed it to the forefront for me.[/QUOTE]

What a cunt, going into an interview just to try to make an embarrassment out of someone.

[Thlis]

In the name of Kain

[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/Degh8u2.jpg[/img_thumb]

[Reimu]

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46152353]You'd just have to limit any personal information you put out there, and, as a prevention against thembeing modified etc, use time and date stamps combined with uploading them to pastebin (but keeping them private) as soon as the conversation has ended for that particular day, that doesn't make it immune to being taken out of context or edited etc etc, but it's a ace in the hole you can throw out if it does hapen. Maybe tell her you're doing this for your own protection, but, there is no agenda to the conversation, there's no spin, it's simply to try and help her.

The first step to fixing problems is admiting to yourself/realising that you infact have a problem, as, Zoe may not be able to actually see that she's doing anything wrong etc etc. Reimu may not be (I can't say one way or the other) a professional mental therapist, but from what I've seen of the videos, you do ave the understanding to maybe get her to open up about herself.[/QUOTE]

Goodness! I'm touched that you think I'm a professional. Naah, just an abuse survivor with 2 years of experience in social justice and enough time to analyze abuse in my own life and the lives of my friends/family. You kind of pick up on a lot just by living in it.

Unfortunately, part of the problem is that Zoe needs to [i]want[/i] to get help. I'm not sure if she wants to get help or not. I can't convince her to do that, she needs to actively make that decision in her own life.

In other words: either she chooses to get help, or she chooses to perpetuate the cycle. The fact that she's doubling down on the legal case with Eron makes me think she's sticking to the latter. As long as that goes on, I don't think she's going to meaningfully want to change her behavior.

Again, don't want to villanize her. She's human and hurting pretty badly inside, I think. But part of being a rescuer is understanding when there is no outlet. I don't think anything productive is going to come from us talking.

Maybe something will, I don't know. She could prove me wrong. But I need her to prove that to me, and I don't think she's doing a very good job right now. From what I've seen her post on SRSGaming and other sites, and from what she's doing legally, I'm firmly convinced she has no intention to change. That onus is on Zoe to prove me wrong.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46152461]Ultimately, it's up to her to decide how much help she gets by how much help she allows herself to get and how willing she is to change, if she really is willing and really wanting that help, Reimu is a good first step on that path, professional help or not.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Pulling myself out of this, she also needs to leave her network that is enabling her. I've learned from multiple people that the people around Zoe Quinn are not unlike her. They also have a history of hurting others or being extremely manipulative.

I can't see Zoe getting better if she's hanging out with people who are also hurtful.

[editline]5th October 2014[/editline]

Honestly - the best way to talk to her at this point is through the videos and articles. Just throw the analysis out there and see what she does.

[Sgt. Napalm]

Be careful. Who knows what tricks she'll pull.