Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

grouping sjw's together is wrong just like generalizing any group is wrong

[QUOTE=Wii60;45864107]/r/videos and /r/Kotakuinaction [editline]1st September 2014[/editline] This Video got updated [video=youtube;TgW5NRUfs44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgW5NRUfs44[/video][/QUOTE] Yay we're famous! Kind of :v: (I didn't notice the first time around...) [editline]edit[/editline] Quite a bit new information, and probably better than ending with the bus joke. [editline]1st September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=jonu67;45864140][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hPPKzOi.png[/IMG] [url]https://twitter.com/Int_Aristocrat/status/506489370551926784/photo/1[/url] It seems as though one of the Guardians writers has wrote something that is totally impartial and[I]totally[/I] isn't bias in any way [B][I][U]promise[/U][/I][/B].[/QUOTE] Sweet, there's no way the Guardian can ignore this.

[QUOTE=Wii60;45864207]Hes trying not to touch the #gamergate shit while at the same time Talking about grouping SJW's together.[/QUOTE] Normally he goes balls deep into these sorts of problems, perhaps this an earlier made video before all this happened? I hope he's going to have a follow up video.

[QUOTE=Wii60;45864107]/r/videos and /r/Kotakuinaction [editline]1st September 2014[/editline] This Video got updated [video=youtube;TgW5NRUfs44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgW5NRUfs44[/video][/QUOTE] Jesus this seems like a plot for a Deus Ex game

[QUOTE=jonu67;45864307]Normally he goes balls deep into these sorts of problems, perhaps this an earlier made video before all this happened? Perhaps he's going to have a follow up video?[/QUOTE] his view there was pretty well expressed in a lot of ways. He just doesn't want the discussion to be about extremes. He wants an actual discussion. he's a middle ground person who's been grouped in the wrong end.

[QUOTE=jonu67;45864307]Normally he goes balls deep into these sorts of problems, perhaps this an earlier made video before all this happened? I hope he's going to have a follow up video.[/QUOTE] he's taking the totalbiscuit stance of "not touchin this shit directly till its over because it's a very sensitive issue"

[QUOTE=Wii60;45864107] [video=youtube;TgW5NRUfs44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgW5NRUfs44[/video][/QUOTE] These people fuck a lot don't they. Before anyone asks, hell yeah I'm jelly. In my professional field people used to get fired after someone [b]suspects[/b] that someone as much as had a conversation with someone from subject's PR agency without disclosing it to the editor. And let me tell you some of the girls and guys big firms hire as PR specialists are pretty fuckable.

[QUOTE=Wootman;45864314]Jesus this seems like a plot for a Deus Ex game[/QUOTE] I hope someone makes a mod when all of this is over :v:

[QUOTE=Fangz;45864191][url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9695-Quit-Using-The-Term-Social-Justice-Warriors]Jim Sterling[/url] just did a video on this, and seems to be misunderstanding what is going on, or just ignorant.[/QUOTE] I believe he is also treading quite lightly because he seems to be in a lot of circles of game journalism that would tear him a new asshole if he said a single critical word

Now that stuff is getting even more convoluted: [URL="https://www.paterva.com/web6/products/download.php"]Maltego and CaseFile[/URL] are programs that let you keep track of and visualise links between people, things and whatever else appears in this mess. The former has a community edition, but you must register to use it. On the flip side it supports transforms so you can quickly look up email addresses associated with websites and some other interesting stuff. The latter is offline only but works without registration. Files are compatible, afaik. (Maltego may need the CaseFile entities for that, but I haven't looked into it.) [editline]edit[/editline] I definitely recommend getting Maltego, it now has a "Company Stalker" machine among other things, which lets you look up mail addresses and some social network accounts (MySpace "for what it's worth" :v:) extremely quickly. (It's a bit limited in the community edition though, so it will show far from everything if the company is too large.)

[QUOTE=GÃ©za!;45864489]I believe he is also treading quite lightly because he seems to be in a lot of circles of game journalism that would tear him a new asshole if he said a single critical word[/QUOTE]He has also established his online persona as a champion of gamer rights who will defend the consumer against oppressive and corrupt forces of the business, so if he stays quiet on a subject where the force is his own line of work and their best tools are silence and misinformation he runs the risk of being torn apart by the very fanbase he's worked to culture. I actually like the guy, and consider him one of the straighter shooters in his profession, but I can't see any way he's getting through this controversy without being turned into asshole swiss cheese.

[QUOTE=jonu67;45863166][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/S3NaV44.png[/IMG] To him it's not a big deal.[/QUOTE] this guy was just on sky news just now. (i didn't see it because i dont live in UK) apparently he did something great beacuse people are calling him based in IRC chat

I found this playlist that has a lot of videos on the subject. There are also some more comedic pieces in there but they are still about the subject and I don't know about you but seeing all this shit I needed a laugh. [url]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYASDxa_j2Uv6Zm-qOYqVdb4o20uMxbkV[/url]

One thing that I just cant seem to understand is, why is everyone on Maya Kramer's pay roll. Like not even one person who works on these sites just says "No I'm not banning people" or "not giving this game 10/10" Do they believe in this SJW stuff for real or just to keep up appearances, or is it the money, or the sex. I just don't know.

[QUOTE=Wii60;45864659]this guy was just on sky news just now. (i didn't see it because i dont live in UK) apparently he did something great beacuse people are calling him based in IRC chat[/QUOTE] Yes he was on Sky news to discuss the recent Celeb Nudes, I believe he mentioned in Twitter that he would bring up this whole debacle. I didn't get to watch it though so I'm not sure what happened.

[QUOTE=gudman;45864466]These people fuck a lot don't they. Before anyone asks, hell yeah I'm jelly. In my professional field people used to get fired after someone [b]suspects[/b] that someone as much as had a conversation with someone from subject's PR agency without disclosing it to the editor. And let me tell you some of the girls and guys big firms hire as PR specialists are pretty fuckable.[/QUOTE] We need to contact Edmund McMillen. I know he was pissed off about the drama and didn't want to be a part of it, but he also got snubbed at the IGF and both he and Tommy hate the IGF, judges, and Brandon Boyer. I wouldn't be surprised if he knew a ton about this already.

[QUOTE=bigmansham;45864841] Like not even one person who works on these sites just says "No I'm not banning people" or "not giving this game 10/10" [/QUOTE] This can land that 'one' person in trouble. Most people in media are very easy to press into submission, the vague mention of "problems" is quite often enough. Media pieces and companies behind them watch their competitors very carefully, and the one fired for falling out of line may easily get blacklisted from the club of big boys altogether. This exists in 'real world' media, so I would expect it's actually amplified for gaming press. This holds true for most of said 'big boys'. This is actually a very rare thing that is universally over exaggerated (like I just did), but that's quite enough for many people to not even think about making any sort of stand. The vague threat most of which person imagines to themselves is the best strategy all around. Then you have an audience, which is often considered very stupid, but in reality as a large group of people, it's very sensitive to changes in general line. And if several authors indicate that a given 'game' is interesting, and it gets coverage, the person doing the actual review is very limited in terms of opinion. Every once in a while media piece can throw something provocative at their audience, but that should not indicate a change in direction in any way, or else you'll feel your audience voting with money. And no, in no way our friends here actually care about Social Justice, not the people who make decisions. Their motivations lie elsewhere. Otherwise they wouldn't be quite as selective in people they choose to cover and actively defend.

[QUOTE=Fangz;45864191][url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9695-Quit-Using-The-Term-Social-Justice-Warriors]Jim Sterling[/url] just did a video on this, and seems to be misunderstanding what is going on, or just ignorant.[/QUOTE] For a lot of his statements you could replace SJW with Misogynist.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45865015]For a lot of his statements you could replace SJW with Misogynist.[/QUOTE] which was his entire point about generalizing communities if you paid attention.

Been gone for a few days, came back, thread was locked and we now have this one. Anything major happen in the past few days regarding any of this, Zoe/journalism/etc?

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;45865053]Been gone for a few days, came back, thread was locked and we now have this one. Anything major happen in the past few days regarding any of this, Zoe/journalism/etc?[/QUOTE] another internet aristrocrat video came out, too much info comes up every day to be summed up in a few sentences.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45865022]which was his entire point about generalizing communities if you paid attention.[/QUOTE] It felt like that was directed more at gamers instead of social justice journalists. Him bringing up harassment of Anita just before saying that and all.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45865088]It felt like that was directed more at gamers instead of social justice journalists. Bringing up harassment of Anita just before saying that and all.[/QUOTE] because he's saying harassment is bad? Harassment is bad. He's not an "SJW", he's not defending this shit, he's saying that there's no point in generalizing this shit and defending harassment

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45862894]Even that PCGamesN article is hypocritical. They say that censorship should be uncalled for, then they close down comments because they don't agree with the tone. They never address why people are angry with the figures mentioned, only that they are and that they're violent pigs. They conveniently ignore half the discussion so they can point out how great these people they're defending are and show how much money they're making under the guise of saying "hey guys harrassment is bad." Lies of omission are still lies. If I was writting an article supporting Russia in Ukraine and only talked about the good things Russia did and the bad things Ukraine did, therefore Ukraine is in the wrong, it would still be dishonest without ever presenting a factual falsehood. I don't think that ignoring half a problem is the right way to go about it. What was it that Internet Aristocrat said? Journalists investigate, they try to find out about all sides of the story. They shouldn't just stick to the side they agree with because they want to. There's also the fact that most of these places posted practically the same article within minutes with each other, almost like they coordinated it, but that's something else entirely.[/QUOTE] Closing a comments section is not, and has never been, censorship. Nobody is obligated to give you a soapbox on their website. It's free to post things on the internet, PCGamesN is not censoring you because they are not preventing you from simply starting your own blog. Censorship is the systematic and coordinated suppression of ideals by an organization that is in a position to control the flow of information, not someone saying "this is my spot, say your things somewhere else".

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45865112]Closing a comments section is not, and has never been, censorship. Nobody is obligated to give you a soapbox on their website. It's free to post things on the internet, PCGamesN is not censoring you because they are not preventing you from simply starting your own blog. Censorship is the systematic and coordinated suppression of ideals by an organization that is in a position to control the flow of information, not someone saying "this is my spot, say your things somewhere else".[/QUOTE] It does however, make you an arsehole. Why have an area for discussion if all you are going to do is cherry pick what suits you the best?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45865112]Closing a comments section is not, and has never been, censorship. Nobody is obligated to give you a soapbox on their website. It's free to post things on the internet, PCGamesN is not censoring you because they are not preventing you from simply starting your own blog. Censorship is the systematic and coordinated suppression of ideals by an organization that is in a position to control the flow of information, not someone saying "this is my spot, say your things somewhere else".[/QUOTE] You understood what he said perfectly, why are you starting a semantics argument? Yeah closing the comments section is not 'censorship' by definition, in some sense calling it that even seems ridiculous, but if it's done [b]because[/b] people ask questions and saying things you don't want to see, it's still dishonest.

[QUOTE=Deathbane;45865176]It does however, make you an arsehole. Why have an area for discussion if all you are going to do is cherry pick what suits you the best?[/QUOTE] Well causing a comments section isn't cherry picking anything since it stops the people who agree with you from commenting just as effectively as it stops the people who disagree. [editline]1st September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;45865184]You understood what he said perfectly, why are you starting a semantics argument? Yeah closing the comments section is not 'censorship' by definition, in some sense calling it that even seems ridiculous, but if it's done [b]because[/b] people ask questions and saying things you don't want to see, it's still dishonest.[/QUOTE] Or they closed it because it takes only a cursory glance at what's been going on in the last week to realize that the comments section will quickly devolve into flaming and they don't want to waste their moderator's time on a single thread?

When I was asking around about Maya a few days ago, Eron had actually told me about some of the IGF info and the "just robin's and ___ because they both say 'i love you' when they say goodbye" message. But he told me at the time to keep it between us, as he wasn't ready to come out about the information. I'm glad he came out, though. Also, mad props to the creator for linking to our pastebin.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45865235] Or they closed it because it takes only a cursory glance at what's been going on in the last week to realize that the comments section will quickly devolve into flaming and they don't want to waste their moderator's time on a single thread?[/QUOTE] I doubt their moderators are working for free there, do they? Plus PCGamesN are not exactly known for their civil discussions in the comments. There're very often shitfests going on, and somehow moderators have both time and ability to clear things up. Different things in scale, but not even trying? It might be what you say, but I personally deem suspicions justified.

[QUOTE=gudman;45865320]I doubt their moderators are working for free there, do they? Plus PCGamesN are not exactly known for their civil discussions in the comments. There're very often shitfests going on, and somehow moderators have both time and ability to clear things up. Different things in scale, but not even trying? It might be what you say, but I personally deem suspicions justified.[/QUOTE] The same thing happens here when threads get out of hand (the Quinn thread) or when it comes to topics that will inevitably get out of hand (a brony thread would be immediately closed). It's hard to see some kind of conspiracy to suppress dissenting views when they're just conducting business the way most forums conduct business. And I don't know if their comment section moderators are paid or not but I'm going to guess that they're just volunteers.