Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;46166486]Well when most of your arguments feature women who you're accusing of sleeping with male journalists for better reviews with zero evidence to support said statements, what do you expect?[/QUOTE] Not this shit again

[QUOTE=uber.;46166391] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WIbekNL.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] A guy who works at alienware (owned by dell) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SehfL36.png[/IMG] i bought alienware/dell stuff before, now due to this i will never touch them again.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;46166486]Well when most of your arguments feature women who you're accusing of sleeping with male journalists for better reviews with zero evidence to support said statements, what do you expect?[/QUOTE] How the fuck is it someone always comes along and proves the persons point who they are trying to argue. Like you are the example and its fucking hilarious.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;46166486]Well when most of your arguments feature women who you're accusing of sleeping with male journalists for better reviews with zero evidence to support said statements, what do you expect?[/QUOTE] "zero evidence" ok.

I think this is at least the third time someone has said "Zero evidence". Just remember, tell them where to find it and don't shit all over them.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;46166486]Well when most of your arguments feature women who you're accusing of sleeping with male journalists for better reviews with zero evidence to support said statements, what do you expect?[/QUOTE] There is evidence supporting said statements, it's just that with this thread going by quickly, you don't really get a chance to see it. Same with Twitter, you don't get to see the information gathered together all that often. Which probably supports the idea why so many people are uninformed of this. Of course, it doesn't help when they go "LA LA LA NOT LISTENING" like a 4 year old, but other than that, people do need to keep others informed to the best of their ability.

[QUOTE=BigPalooka;46166834]I think this is at least the third time someone has said "Zero evidence". Just remember, tell them where to find it and don't shit all over them.[/QUOTE] why not both?

[QUOTE=No_0ne;46166875]why not both?[/QUOTE] Because being a needless asshole will create more enemies than allies? It's not a hard concept to grasp I'm sure you can understand why not being a fucking dick is helpful to a movement being attacked by highly funded, popular websites.

SPESSMEHREN is not a first timer here though, so feel free to tell him to fuck off. He already had opportunity to make himself familiar with what this is all about and ignored it.

There is a video that outlines everything about Gamer Gate in literally 60 seconds but the first thing SPESSMEHREN does is come into this thread and start talking about how we're still accusing women. I don't know what to say to that. I mean, I do, but it's clear he doesn't care.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/SigWwKt.jpg[/img] big image for big news. tb has officially gone pro gg.

Yeah, that ISIS comparison definitely ticked him off, that's for sure. I was thinking he'd turn sooner or later. In other news, have some anti-GG bullcrap that I've encountered on Tumblr. [url]http://jonstonechannel2.tumblr.com/post/99246356388/why-bother-with-gamergate[/url] I can already list a few counterarguments but I'm too lazy to put it into words.

[QUOTE=Stents*;46166151][url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/6/6918915/tell-the-verge-what-do-you-think-gamergate-is-about[/url] This is our chance guys[/QUOTE] I can't jump in, I'd get to angry. [editline]6th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;46166486]Well when most of your arguments feature women who you're accusing of sleeping with male journalists for better reviews with zero evidence to support said statements, what do you expect?[/QUOTE] You know what? Good Game. No Rematch. You're that guy that goes mid lane with the wrong champ. You jumped out of your plane without checking your parachute and crashed into the ground after opening it up too late breaking your legs. You jumped off a bridge without checking the bungie chord only having it snap and letting you fall into the river bed below. You got into a car without a driver's license and was surprised when he crashed into something backing out of the driveway. You forgot to eat something before you began to drink and got drunk even faster. You're the bastard who wastes all the weed and doesn't even have the courtesy to hold in the smoke. You walked into class without having read the material and there was gonna be a quiz on it. You're the guy who forgets to thin their paints.

[QUOTE=gudman;46167117]SPESSMEHREN is not a first timer here though, so feel free to tell him to fuck off. He already had opportunity to make himself familiar with what this is all about and ignored it.[/QUOTE] That's not fair, why should someone with such easily contradicted views be forced to stay and read things that would ruin all their flimsy arguments? You can't really expect someone with the amount of cognitive dissonance needed to be Anti-GG to do something besides make zingers imaginary strawmen.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46167450]That's not fair, why should someone with such easily contradicted views be forced to stay and read things that would ruin all their flimsy arguments? You can't really expect someone with the amount of cognitive dissonance needed to be Anti-GG to do something besides make zingers imaginary strawmen.[/QUOTE] Or maybe he's really concerned about us, and when he considers that thread is not active enough, he jumps right in to poke the sleepy bees and make us go bzzzzzz. He's our loyal friend.

The stream has started.

Good to know youtube livechat can be just as bad as normal youtube comments

Holyshit you guys, I've been following this thread for a while and this is slowly pissing me off. You're actively condemning Anti-GG people who attack people who don't agree with their views. But when someone says something that you don't agree with (regardless if it's true or not) you attack them, even though evidence was posted that contradicts what SPESSMEHREN said you're in no way entitled to attack them as a person. Although i've seen alot of good discussion in this thread it's slowly turning into a circlejerk and instead of discussing something you're alienating people and making epic "zingers", if not doing that is too hard you can always just ignore them. Grow the fuck up and keep the discussion going properly.

[QUOTE=Smt;46167898]Good to know youtube livechat can be just as bad as normal youtube comments[/QUOTE] It seems to have everything that was wrong with the old comment system.

Serious question based on the Zoepost videos: What's everyone's opinion on actually talking to Zoe? Do you think I should ask her if she privately (& completely confidentially) wants to talk to me about everything? The more I think about it, the more I think I should. I saw her following/posting in a conversation I had with someone explaining the purpose of my videos; she posted an out of context tweet Eron made, then removed the tweet after I favorited someone's explanation about them. Either way, I'm under the impression she's definitely watching out for conversations about the videos.

-dumb thing i said- edit: i just realized i said something stupid let me say what i ment to say: good idea to talk to her since your skilled in this, but it would be great if you could make it public if she agrees to allow it. i like to see mindsets of the opposition and what they think.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46167956]Serious question based on the Zoepost videos: What's everyone's opinion on actually talking to Zoe? Do you think I should ask her if she privately (& completely confidentially) wants to talk to me about everything? The more I think about it, the more I think I should. I saw her following/posting in a conversation I had with someone explaining the purpose of my videos; she posted an out of context tweet Eron made, then removed the tweet after I favorited someone's explanation about them. Either way, I'm under the impression she's definitely watching out for conversations about the videos.[/QUOTE] Yes you should. There's probably not any other person in GG who would be better suited to talk to her than you.

[QUOTE=SuicideZ;46167913]Holyshit you guys, I've been following this thread for a while and this is slowly pissing me off. You're actively condemning Anti-GG people who attack people who don't agree with their views. But when someone says something that you don't agree with (regardless if it's true or not) you attack them, even though evidence was posted that contradicts what SPESSMEHREN said you're in no way entitled to attack them as a person. Although i've seen alot of good discussion in this thread it's slowly turning into a circlejerk and instead of discussing something you're alienating people and making epic "zingers", if not doing that is too hard you can always just ignore them. Grow the fuck up and keep the discussion going properly.[/QUOTE] Start [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1421478&p=46130506&viewfull=1#post46130506"]here[/URL] and read the next 6 or 7 pages. It takes very little effort for someone with an opposing view to be taken seriously here, it's just that SPESSMEHREN doesn't show any at all right now.

[QUOTE=SuicideZ;46167913]Holyshit you guys, I've been following this thread for a while and this is slowly pissing me off. You're actively condemning Anti-GG people who attack people who don't agree with their views. But when someone says something that you don't agree with (regardless if it's true or not) you attack them, even though evidence was posted that contradicts what SPESSMEHREN said you're in no way entitled to attack them as a person. [/QUOTE] First, no one attacked him as a person. Second, he's a shitposter, the sole purpose of him visiting this thread is to stir shit up and get us riled up. He's done so three times in this thread, and he frequents other GG-related threads that pop up every once in a while. He can't be attacked for his views, considering that he most likely has no views on the matter. Don't confuse "le trollz" with actual opposition. As evident by a conversation in this thread a couple pages earlier, we're quite welcoming to people who have something to say. Surprisingly welcoming if I can say so, considering that this is still Facepunch.

[QUOTE=gudman;46168029]First, no one attacked him as a person. Second, he's a shitposter, the sole purpose of him visiting this thread is to stir shit up and get us riled up. He's done so three times in this thread, and he frequents other GG-related threads that pop up every once in a while. He can't be attacked for his views, considering that he most likely has no views on the matter. Don't confuse "le trollz" with actual opposition. As evident by a conversation in this thread a couple pages earlier, we're quite welcoming to people who have something to say. Surprisingly welcoming if I can say so, considering that this is still Facepunch.[/QUOTE] In the past year facepunch has changed hard, not sure what happened but I have definitely noticed a change.

I'm also thinking of hosting my own stream, too, to talk about things now that I'm distancing myself from GG but doing the videos. Anyway, the point really is to figure things out and what she's thinking. At the very least, do a temperature check and see how she's approaching the videos. I'm legitimately curious what she thinks of me and how she feels about things. Or, to be more blunt, how she feels about my videos affecting the general situation. [QUOTE=Stents*;46168002]Yes you should. There's probably not any other person in GG who would be better suited to talk to her than you.[/QUOTE] True, but I still think it's dangerous. She has a couple extra years on me to figure out how to talk to people and be political. I'm good at being diplomatic of course, but, well... I don't know. Twitter was one thing too, IM's would be quite a different story because it would be free communication and real-time communication.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46167956]Serious question based on the Zoepost videos: What's everyone's opinion on actually talking to Zoe? Do you think I should ask her if she privately (& completely confidentially) wants to talk to me about everything? The more I think about it, the more I think I should. I saw her following/posting in a conversation I had with someone explaining the purpose of my videos; she posted an out of context tweet Eron made, then removed the tweet after I favorited someone's explanation about them. Either way, I'm under the impression she's definitely watching out for conversations about the videos.[/QUOTE] You can do it, but you should avoid any medium that doesn't give you a verifiable copy of both sides of the conversation. Otherwise the chance is exceedingly high that she will try to slander you, based on her previous behaviour. I'll see if I can find something that gives you solid proof... [editline]edit[/editline] It doesn't seem to exist, which is strange considering this is (kind of) easy to make, at least far easier than encrypted unverifiable chat between two people. I'm going to put this on my project list, but it's not going to happen soon.

[QUOTE=gudman;46168029]First, no one attacked him as a person. Second, he's a shitposter, the sole purpose of him visiting this thread is to stir shit up and get us riled up. He's done so three times in this thread, and he frequents other GG-related threads that pop up every once in a while. He can't be attacked for his views, considering that he most likely has no views on the matter. Don't confuse "le trollz" with actual opposition. As evident by a conversation in this thread a couple pages earlier, we're quite welcoming to people who have something to say. Surprisingly welcoming if I can say so, considering that this is still Facepunch.[/QUOTE] Plus I think there's a difference between attacking random people on twitter and attacking a usual on a forum (especially one the size of Facepunch). Here we know each others postings habits and are able to make somewhat legitimate judgments on people.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46167956]Serious question based on the Zoepost videos: What's everyone's opinion on actually talking to Zoe? Do you think I should ask her if she privately (& completely confidentially) wants to talk to me about everything? The more I think about it, the more I think I should. I saw her following/posting in a conversation I had with someone explaining the purpose of my videos; she posted an out of context tweet Eron made, then removed the tweet after I favorited someone's explanation about them. Either way, I'm under the impression she's definitely watching out for conversations about the videos.[/QUOTE] I say go for it. Private conversation can't hurt, especially since it's her who made the first move. But make sure (twice) to make it clearly known that the moment she or anyone she shares it with does something about it, you leak the whole thing as is, censoring the third parties, of course. Or not. Just warn her that the moment you feel threatened - the nuke goes down and everything that follows is on her. Just be safe yourself. I don't know, I don't want to know what mental state she's in, she's still a manipulator who should only be trusted after taking every precaution measures possible.

Reminder to the thread, you can't win the minds of enemies by telling them they are stupid and dumb. You gotta be nice, kind, and knowledgeable. They will listen to you and be nice back or they will attack you like a ass and look stupid. if they say something that you think is dumb, be nice and tell them the problem with that statement. If they shitpost, just don't touch the poop. etc.