Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

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Hopefully you don't get shutdown for non-gaming content

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46203040]Hopefully you don't get shutdown for non-gaming content[/QUOTE] I'm playing SimCity throughout the whole thing & will talk about SC, so no worries!

I dont accept anyone as leader of gamergate ,I think we would fall to the same issues SJWs do. Is the boycott of games still a thing for the holidays?

[QUOTE=Reimu;46203030]Alright - twitch stream starting at 7:00 PM EST! Feel free to hang out in chat until then, probably will open up around 6:50PM [url]http://www.twitch.tv/sdoctmdplays[/url][/QUOTE] thanks for playing the good sim city

[QUOTE=Reimu;46200664]Yup. By our standards, as a survivor, I have relatively more authority to make this claim. Yet these people are pretty much manipulating identity politics to their own gain, instead of acknowledging how nuanced this is. Identity Politics - Use it to Call People Out Only When it's Convenient for Me(R)[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, and that is an [B]exceedingly[/B] dangerous slope to walk on. I was raped twice before i was eight and endured a mother who hit for distance and not accuracy, hard enough to fuck two of the vertebrae in my back permanently. Ironically enough she was a counselor with the credentials and materials to go with, so I had plenty of material to figure exactly what her problem was. Nevertheless, that doesn't make me an authority on anything, because subjective clearance is NOT in any way shape or form a credibility boost, nor should it ever be treated as such. You have personal insight and you have experience, that does not make you an authority nor should you ever act as if it does. Experience, objectivity and willingness to keep exploring a subject after "everything" is supposedly known is what makes an authority you can [B]generally[/B] trust, but never absolutely. The entire problem with SJW is that it went from exploration of abolishing conventional norms on what makes an individual unique into a mass hysteric reactionary pile of [I]social absolutes[/I] that haven't been remotely objectively vetted nor proven to be anything other than hypocritical social mccarthyism thinly veneered as "militant inclusivism". Walking without assuming you have all the answers before you even start is a wiser path in the long run. [quote] right wing [/quote] Their politics should not matter, that's part of the entire point. Gaming should not be politicized, ever. There are four main points: Actual journalism instead of payola in gaming, particularly electronic gaming. Social Engineering started by a nongamer who doesn't even know what an actual gamer (as an entity) is upon the gaming populace, who was aided and abetted by journalists who have no business reporting on games to begin with, and have been shown, actively hate and belittle their own readership. The collusion between publishers and devs and advertisers to engineer financial and social paradigms in gaming for their own benefit, at a cost to both devs and consumers. The allowance of prejudiced people to be in positions of power within the games industry, thus negatively shaping future games and game development directly.

Erik Kain is fence-sitting so hard. He should probably go look up what false balance means.

In /pol/'s case this isn't a sudden interest. Lots of people have been crossposting between /v/ and /pol/ (and some /vg/ threads, like /gsg/) for a long time. /pol/ believes it's always relevant to everything so these crossposters have been encouraged to act against journalists and devs on behalf of both /v/ and /pol/ since before gamergate was even a thing. In Baldwin and Milo's case, it probably is a sudden interest. Not sure about Sommers.

[QUOTE=Wowza!;46201065][...] There wasn't a link or image citing that statement, so I have no idea if it's true or not.[/QUOTE] It's a fairly well-known matter, was reported on when it happened.

Thanks for everyone who showed up! We created GameJournosPro, the city: [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/lTZmMnu.png[/thumb] [QUOTE=27X;46203686]Not necessarily, and that is an [B]exceedingly[/B] dangerous slope to walk on. I was raped twice before i was eight and endured a mother who hit for distance and not accuracy, hard enough to fuck to of the vertebrae in my back permanently. Ironically enough she was a counselor with the credentials and materials to go with, so I had plenty of material to figure exactly what her problem was. Nevertheless, that doesn't make me an authority on anything, because subjective clearance is NOT in any way shape or form a credibility boost, nor should it ever be treated as such. You have personal insight and you have experience, that does not make you an authority nor should you ever act as if it does. Experience, objectivity and willingness to keep exploring a subject after "everything" is supposedly known is what makes an authority you can [B]generally[/B] trust, but never absolutely. [/quote] You're definitely right. I need to be careful with how I frame this, too. I think a lot of people see me as an authority, but I definitely know that I'm not. I don't have medical education or psychological training, just a lot of personal experience.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46201242][...] also a good read: [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/10/How-to-lose-a-public-relations-battle-on-the-internet[/url][/QUOTE] [quote][...] You'd think video game journalists, of all people, would realise the futility of trying to smite Paladins.[/quote] I wish that kind of super-apt punchline was more common in writing :v: I can put up with fairly bigoted garbage if it's well-written but most of the AGG drivel is worthless even from a literary point of view. Hathaway didn't even get the opening paragraph right.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;46201803]when did KingofPol become a spokesman for us? who the fuck said that? just because we're praising for some people for trying to speak out doesn't make them our spokesman [editline]10th October 2014[/editline] he's clearly not neutral if you've read anything from him[/QUOTE] Not sure if you guys have been following but GG pretty much disowned Devi Evers on Twitter after she started acting like an idiot. If Milo or Adam use GG to launch their other agendas it will end in a similar fashion.

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzoEfv5IEAAV2GY.jpg[/img] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzoDAIaCYAEuPJ8.jpg[/img] most people only saw one of the harassment tweets from this "death to brianna" twitter account because brianna herself retweeted it. including retweeting the actual dox so that everyone can see. MEANWHILE here is a roguestar interview on escapist that was taken down. the internet never forgets: [url]https://archive.today/1fQo2[/url] [url]https://archive.today/e7aCp[/url]

Talk about playing victim, seriously its just keep getting more outrageous i just want to ask, what would be a reason to be Anti gamersgate besides "your all misogynist" I really want to know, i haven't heard a good reason besides... that

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46203866]It's a fairly well-known matter, was reported on when it happened.[/QUOTE] I looked up the original post, and the artist only said that the studio received threatening emails during the Kickstarter campaign about the art, and that blackmail "is a common behavior". It doesn't say anywhere that journalists forced the studio to change the art, or that the studio was even blackmailed to begin with.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;46202532]Latching on to right wing figures in general is starting to drive me away from this incoherent mess even more than before. These guys have no interest in the movement at all, they fucking hate you guys with all their passion. After all, you were useless nerds who didn't contribute to society before all this begun. Do you not find it remotely strange that they suddenly have an interest in you now that GG can be safely used to attack social justice under the guise of attacking "SJWs"? It gives them the perfect platform to be huge dickheads to the people who oppose them, with an echo chamber to help re-enforce their views even harder. It's why I'm very suspicious of that video from Sommers, I have nothing against her in particular, but why would she work with the AEL if she is the "one true feminist" GG purports her to be? The AEL are conservative as fuck. Milo has also be outed as a huge fucking asshole multiple times in the past, and at least once since he got involved in this. But he's still "based Milo" for some un-fucking-known reason. The right really have no care about this movement other than to further their own agendas. [editline]10th October 2014[/editline] Oh yeah, Baldwin, that guy who recently decided that Obama is in on the "Ebola in the US" conspiracy because he's a fucking loon to. None of these guys are good for the movement, distance yourselves now or regret it later.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but I'm not a fan of ad-hominem attacks. As long as these people stay factual and don't push their unrelated agendas I'm totally OK with it. I'm aware that Yiannopoulos doesn't care about games. He cares about factual reporting and opposes hate-filled "feminism" though, which fits nicely with GamerGate. He also happens to actually be good at his job regardless of content, which I respect. (I'm aware he has some really shitty views, but he's not a bigot about that either.) Same with Sommers (and disregarding that she explained why she works with the AEL in the first place). I know she's not involved with video games but she's fighting for equality and that's something I respect. [I]If[/I] you absolutely [I]must[/I] attach political labels to everything, the stuff she publishes isn't even conservative in the European sense of the word. Baldwin may be super conservative, but it's clear that he cares about games and he's not trying to paint all liberals in a bad light through generalisation. (Liberal and conservative aren't even opposites, unlike how US politicians try to make it look.) He did try to push some of his other views though, which is why I don't support him. As long as I only support what they say and not their person there's no way I'm going to regret anything either, so there's no need to distance myself. [editline]11th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Reimu;46203886][...] You're definitely right. I need to be careful with how I frame this, too. I think a lot of people see me as an authority, but I definitely know that I'm not. I don't have medical education or psychological training, just a lot of personal experience.[/QUOTE] I've been following stuff you've been posting elsewhere and it's pretty clear to me that you're actively riding on those assumptions, which I think is reprehensible. (I think I mentioned this before, but you have a pretty significant tendency to facilitate collateral damage through carelessness. Your goals are good but a lot of the means you employ in that regard are not. Your recent analysis videos are awesome though.)

[QUOTE=hexpunK;46202532]Latching on to right wing figures in general is starting to drive me away from this incoherent mess even more than before. These guys have no interest in the movement at all, they fucking hate you guys with all their passion. After all, you were useless nerds who didn't contribute to society before all this begun. Do you not find it remotely strange that they suddenly have an interest in you now that GG can be safely used to attack social justice under the guise of attacking "SJWs"? It gives them the perfect platform to be huge dickheads to the people who oppose them, with an echo chamber to help re-enforce their views even harder. It's why I'm very suspicious of that video from Sommers, I have nothing against her in particular, but why would she work with the AEL if she is the "one true feminist" GG purports her to be? The AEL are conservative as fuck. Milo has also be outed as a huge fucking asshole multiple times in the past, and at least once since he got involved in this. But he's still "based Milo" for some un-fucking-known reason. The right really have no care about this movement other than to further their own agendas. [editline]10th October 2014[/editline] Oh yeah, Baldwin, that guy who recently decided that Obama is in on the "Ebola in the US" conspiracy because he's a fucking loon to. None of these guys are good for the movement, distance yourselves now or regret it later.[/QUOTE] This isn't just in response to you, but the arguments over the past few pages. I think you guys are missing the point of an exercise like #gamergate as a whole. First of all, what people have said in the past simply does not matter. Always judge based on the argument not the reputation, doing anything else is simply unnecessarily divisive. So what if you don't agree with Milo's political leaning or past work, it really does not matter and allowing the anti gamergate side to pressure you for a silly reason like that is just an incorrect strategy. It's allowing them to use character assassination against you, there is just no reason to allow them to do this, it's a very basic strategy and letting it drive you away is silly and pointless on your part. Second, i've seen a lot of people suggesting we should "switch tags" or "rebrand". I need to comment that this is an EXTREMELY silly idea. There will always be negative elements, it does not matter what tag we use, it does not matter what banner we're flying under, we can't rebrand to avoid these people they will always exist, on both sides of the debate. Address them directly in denouncing harrassment and their behavior like we have been so far pretty successfully, and thats the best we can do. I've actually been pretty impressed with the self-policing of gamergate going on, especially on a messy site like 8chan it's impressive to see so many people just "get" that screaming stupid shit on twitter needs to be called out and those wave of replies from pro-GG people invalidate it right away. Just as negative people will be always be present, positive figureheads will always emerge. Thankfully in gamergate we've had a large number of people do this as opposed to a few number of individuals. There is nothing wrong with this, while yes the opposition will attempt charicter assasination, these are people who will lead debate, and who we can put a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of megaphoning news and providing a point of contact for any opposition wanting to conduct a civil debate. This is, for the most part, a very positive thing. So for christs sake stop shitting up your own motivation for silly reasons. In terms of these 3 issues, things are going well, normal for any exercise like gamergate, and while you may disagree on whether certain elements of a movement like this are inevitable or not, there is no reason at current to attempt to divide it into multiple tags, or try to distance ourselves from anyone in support of us. Just keep going.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46204029] -dox stuff- MEANWHILE here is a roguestar interview on escapist that was taken down. the internet never forgets: [url]https://archive.today/1fQo2[/url] [url]https://archive.today/e7aCp[/url][/QUOTE] Look who had an article ready about the doxxing archive.today/eeMCg He sure works fast :v: And i'm really curious on what the evidence is and how it was presented to The Escapist.

[QUOTE=Silicon Jones;46204073]Talk about playing victim, seriously its just keep getting more outrageous i just want to ask, what would be a reason to be Anti gamersgate besides "your all misogynist" I really want to know, i haven't heard a good reason besides... that[/QUOTE] That's the only one. Unfortunately it's all that's necessary for a lot of people to come rushing in with pitchforks.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46204181]Sorry, but I'm not a fan of ad-hominem attacks. As long as these people stay factual and don't push their unrelated agendas I'm totally OK with it.[/QUOTE] It'd be like if someone like Mitt Romney starts saying things that align with my view. I wouldn't trust him because of things he's said and done before. Everything Milo says comes off to me as saying the right thing for his audience and building himself into a key position.

Ah, great. More good news. It just absolutely makes my fucking day seeing my hobby and the reputation of everyone who shares it slowly dying because a bunch of morons decided (ONCE AGAIN) that it's better to scapegoat an entire demographic for the actions of a few assholes instead of realizing that the world is not as black and white as they want it to be. God damn it, I need a fucking drink. Or twelve.

[QUOTE=Zerfenus;46204270]Look who had an article ready about the doxxing archive.today/eeMCg He sure works fast :v: And i'm really curious on what the evidence is and how it was presented to The Escapist.[/QUOTE] wow its almost as if it was planned

[url]https://twitter.com/will_tuttle/with_replies[/url] Sr. Communications Manager for Xbox and Editorial Overseer of Xbox Wire. [quote]Anyone who didn't give a crap about games before this, who organizes harassment, or who just wants to muddy discourse.[/quote] and more tweets.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46204587][url]https://twitter.com/will_tuttle/with_replies[/url] Sr. Communications Manager for Xbox and Editorial Overseer of Xbox Wire. and more tweets.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://archive.today/iKD11"]The thread in question[/URL] ([editline]edit[/editline] and [URL="https://archive.today/Piz2A"]another one[/URL]), so that people reading this in a day can still find it. He sounds reasonable, and I can understand his discontent with people stepping out of line even if I don't agree with it. I don't agree with the "Anyone who didn't give a crap about games before this" part though because, as I wrote above, some people from outside gaming have honest reasons to get involved due to how many different aspects are at play here. (I'm not concerned about anyone having a terrible opinion as long as they openly stand by it.) [editline]11th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46204362]It'd be like if someone like Mitt Romney starts saying things that align with my view. I wouldn't trust him because of things he's said and done before. Everything Milo says comes off to me as saying the right thing for his audience and building himself into a key position.[/QUOTE] As I told you before, I consider that view to be incredibly shallow.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46204368]Ah, great. More good news. It just absolutely makes my fucking day seeing my hobby and the reputation of everyone who shares it slowly dying because a bunch of morons decided (ONCE AGAIN) that it's better to scapegoat an entire demographic for the actions of a few assholes instead of realizing that the world is not as black and white as they want it to be. God damn it, I need a fucking drink. Or twelve.[/QUOTE] *stumbles along a dark lamplit street edgar allen poe-level wasted on scotch* they... they besmirched the name of Gamers... those b-bastards *tips over into a gutter, dies of exposure* [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting, Last chance." - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46204790]*stumbles along a dark lamplit street edgar allen poe-level wasted on scotch* they... they besmirched the name of Gamers... those b-bastards *tips over into a gutter, dies of exposure*[/QUOTE] sigma do you mind if i do a dramatic reading of all your posts for my next livestream?

[QUOTE=Reimu;46204816]sigma do you mind if i do a dramatic reading of all your posts for my next livestream?[/QUOTE] its easy to find my good ones because they're all the ones i've been banned for

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46204858]its easy to find my good ones because they're all the ones i've been banned for[/QUOTE] gotcha, will be on the look out. i'm thinking of doing a series of dramatic readings with a sad violin playing in the background and then getting up and yelling the ban reason ala diabetus

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46168040]In the past year facepunch has changed hard, not sure what happened but I have definitely noticed a change.[/QUOTE] I'm late to the party, but maybe, just maybe it has a lot to do with a certain group of prolific posters finally running their tether and getting banned

Erik Kane sure posted a lot of stuff about GG today on Twitter, does anyone know what happened exactly to cause this? It seemed pretty unusual.