Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

Fuck, I didn't want this to hit actual news outlets. I always hoped that this bullshit would be contained within the gaming community and die within it. Trust me, this is going to be bad for the gaming industry. Nothing good will come from this, nobody's going to give any side other than "gamergate is a harassment campaign" any bit of consideration.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46224961]depressed [t]https://33.media.tumblr.com/de75664b2a544bde954d1276a441890f/tumblr_ndeijqKAUm1rl7sfmo1_1280.png[/t] i figured giant bomb wouldn't take a side on this gg thing but with patrick klepek's latest article, i knew i had to contact him about his falsities, and come at him AS A FAN, before i ultimately outright boycott giant bomb, my favorite video game site. throughout all of #gamergate, this is what will break me. i still retain jeff gerstmann is based but if he was, he wouldn't allow such shit reporting on this site.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Jeff just doesn't give a shit about reporting news (I'm pretty sure he even said something to that extent in a recent podcast, about how much he hated doing news at gamespot) and just let's Patrick do his thing because there's probably [I]some[/I] traffic that comes to GB for news. Giantbomb isn't a news site and never will be in my opinion. I go there to watch high quality gameplay of people playing games and talking about them in a review-ish context. Once in a blue moon when they run a review of a game I'm interested in I might skim it to make sure it's not complete garbage but that's it. (Also I think there's a chrome extension out there that filters all articles by Patrick Klepek from giantbomb so you could try that I guess)

[QUOTE=SHITBULLET;46225219](Also I think there's a chrome extension out there that filters all articles by Patrick Klepek from giantbomb so you could try that I guess)[/QUOTE] [url=https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nopat/fmcmeemfbnepjnokbgdfefpkdgfkobpj]Been using that since I found it.[/url] For the longest time I didn't like Patrick and I didn't have a real reason why. The guy just rubbed me the wrong way with how he wrote. Now I've solidified my reasoning.

[QUOTE=Banned?;46225380][url=https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nopat/fmcmeemfbnepjnokbgdfefpkdgfkobpj]Been using that since I found it.[/url] For the longest time I didn't like Patrick and I didn't have a real reason why. The guy just rubbed me the wrong way with how he wrote. Now I've solidified my reasoning.[/QUOTE]Maybe its something related to the uncanny valley. He and many others are trying their damnedest to look and sound and act like real journalists and sincere, but they miss the mark and instead become absolutely repulsive.

Concerning Rationalwiki: The entire wiki is an (honestly unneeded) reaction to Conservapedia. That is why they call themselves rational; because Conservapedia is irrational and they oppose Conservapedia and everything it stands for.

its funny because if anything the AGG side has made me care less about social justice due to me wanting to distance myself from them so good job!

The SJWs were never about social justice,its always been a thinly veiled guise to attack people then circlejerk about all the "good" they did .I have stated this before but i feel they cause significantly more harm than good,even the ones who do mean to go in doing good get swept up in the destructive methodology. Also good God MSNBC covering it is ridiculous ,I have doubts they did anything other than read and regurgitate anything other than a "Gamers are dead article".

[QUOTE=Mecha Pirate;46222052]I have a question .. that 'operations document' ([url]http://gamergate.rogue-star-industries.com/[/url]) .. the wording makes me feel uneasy and I wonder it's merits. Is that a good mentality to have(The archive's)?[/QUOTE] Skipping over it [B][I]really[/I][/B] quickly, it seems like a good idea presented in far too over-the-top style. The document mentions you should just steal it and rewrite it if you don't like that though. If you're uncomfortable [I]with the ideas[/I] and not the presentation then feel free to ignore it completely, no-one's asking you personally to support this after all. The thing just gives something to consider, that's all.

kotaku is about to get kicked out of top 10 steam curators list soon by steam users [URL]http://store.steampowered.com/curators/topcurators[/URL] good pc games will kick them to #10 as soon as it refreshes, then we need #11 or #12 (boogie2298) to exceed them.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46222338]it's ok. gamespot gave bayonetta a literal 10/10. [url]http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/bayonetta-2-review/1900-6415911/[/url][/QUOTE] Whitelisted in both Ghostery and NoScript. I like their design: That's a HTML5 video in the header.

[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2j4q5a/we_have_academics_to_back_us_now_copy_and_paste/[/url] [QUOTE]CENTRAL & EASTERN EUROPEAN GAME STUDIES CONFERENCE Brno, Czech Republic, October 10-11, 2014 [url]http://gamestudies.cz/event/ceegs-2014/[/url] ([url]https://archive.today/b4d25[/url] ) [QUOTE]The main guest and the keynote speaker will be Espen Aarseth (IT University of Copenhagen), a renowned game scholar and one of the founding fathers of the discipline of game studies.[/QUOTE] E. Aarseth on GamerGate: [url]https://twitter.com/iggythegrifter/status/520484644173910016b[/url] @iggythegrifter: ""#gamergate is he best thing that happend to game studies since ludology/narrative war." E. Aarseth at #ceegs2014" ([url]https://archive.today/0tadx[/url] ) confirmation: [url]https://twitter.com/frenolestes/status/520487146416001024[/url] @frenolestes: "E. Aarseth: #GamerGate might be the best thing that happened to game studies since ludology vs. narratology. we're finally relevant! #CEEGS" ([url]https://archive.today/IXlGO[/url] ) bit more: [url]https://twitter.com/frenolestes/status/520494681315360768[/url] @frenolestes: "E. Aarseth: we should get rid of game studies ideologies: that games are inherently good, bad, or innocent #CEEGS" ([url]https://archive.today/vDfAf[/url]) E. Aarseth on DiGRA: [url]https://twitter.com/triplethink/status/520145864153911296[/url] @triplethink: ""Are they feminists? Yes they are feminists" Aarseth o DiGRA #GamerGate" ([url]https://archive.today/CmS5c[/url] ) It seems that game studies scholars (and Aarseth is really big name in this field) are fine with a fact that GG opened the pandora's box. That's good sign since the approach of ludology is counterpoise to discourse of feminist media studies, which are focused on deconstruction of narrative while not giving a flying fuck about other aspects of medium. It all seems like new spin of the whole late '90s "Ludology vs. Narratology" academia debates, now with extra feminist sprinkles on top.[/QUOTE]

If GamerGate is an information war, ProGG is losing. Countless popular journalist sites, Wikipedia(the page as is) and MSNBC are all AntiGG. They will get the message that "gamers are dead" to more people by sheer popularity than people like TotalBiscuit and InternetAristocrat can. And having "internet hacker" 4chan on your side isn't going to help the cause in the eyes of the public either.

[QUOTE=ArchXeno;46225723]If GamerGate is an information war, ProGG is losing. Countless popular journalist sites, Wikipedia(the page as is) and MSNBC are all AntiGG. They will get the message that "gamers are dead" to more people by sheer popularity than people like TotalBiscuit and InternetAristocrat can. And having "internet hacker" 4chan on your side isn't going to help the cause in the eyes of the public either.[/QUOTE] We've been through this once before with game violence. We're still here.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;46225498]Concerning Rationalwiki: The entire wiki is an (honestly unneeded) reaction to Conservapedia. That is why they call themselves rational; because Conservapedia is irrational and they oppose Conservapedia and everything it stands for.[/QUOTE] I'm going to play to the anti-GG stereotype of gamers and quote Nietzsche [QUOTE] “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.” [/QUOTE]

Boogie2988 got banned from Neogaf: [QUOTE]Also I have now been banned from Neogaf. My ban will be removed: Never. Surprising it took that long.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Your time at NeoGAF has been spent consistently apologizing for -- and disingenuously ignoring the actions of -- a movement of harassment and hate, while diverting as much attention as possible away from the issues at hand and toward yourself. You are not the victim here for being thought less of in your tacit support of disgusting and illegal behavior. Individuals standing up for victims continue to receive thousands of hate messages and death threats, and a third member of the video game industry is forced out of her home and into hiding. People you claim are your friends are leaving social media behind in the wake of mass harassment by the movement you are championing. These are your people. This is your movement. As you've also expressed a strong desire to leave NeoGAF but continue to participate, you'll now have some more free time to reflect on your decisions of the past several weeks. -NeoGAF Administration[/QUOTE]

Total Biscuit suplexes Polygon [URL]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ngr588[/URL] How long till Polygon writes a Total Biscuit is dead/How to kill Total Biscuit fans article?

[QUOTE=ArchXeno;46225723]If GamerGate is an information war, ProGG is losing. Countless popular journalist sites, Wikipedia(the page as is) and MSNBC are all AntiGG. They will get the message that "gamers are dead" to more people by sheer popularity than people like TotalBiscuit and InternetAristocrat can. And having "internet hacker" 4chan on your side isn't going to help the cause in the eyes of the public either.[/QUOTE] Even if Pro-GG loses, I feel that Gaming Journos will never recover from it. Ever since this kicked off I haven't visited any sites like Polygon or RPS and I never will because they've shown their true colors. I never respected them in the first place, but I respect them even less now, hell I'll deride them given the chance. They're all jokes.

[QUOTE=uber.;46225782]Boogie2988 got banned from Neogaf:[/QUOTE] neogaf has always been a terrible place. this just helps solidify that.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46225705]Whitelisted in both Ghostery and NoScript. I like their design: That's a HTML5 video in the header.[/QUOTE] I thought we didn't trust Gamespot because of Jeff Gerstmann's firing. [editline]13th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;46225791]Total Biscuit suplexes Polygon [URL]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ngr588[/URL] How long till Polygon writes a Total Biscuit is dead/How to kill Total Biscuit fans article?[/QUOTE] I like how he makes a point that talking about sexualized character design is fine but giving a game an objectively lower score in an arbitrary scale from 1-10 is where it becomes unfair. That's the point I was trying to get across in that TPP thread in News Node a few weeks back about Quiet.

the funniest part about bayonetta's design being "sexist" is that it was designed by a woman. [url]http://platinumgames.com/2009/04/17/designing-bayonetta/[/url]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46225812] I like how he makes a point that talking about sexualized character design is fine but giving a game an objectively lower score in an arbitrary scale from 1-10 is where it becomes unfair. That's the point I was trying to get across in that TPP thread in News Node a few weeks back about Quiet.[/QUOTE] At this point they aren't even reviewing games, they are just giving saying this is morally right/wrong according to themselves. "Tropico 5 was fun to play but it's about dictatorships, 4/10". [QUOTE=Jammymanrock;46225912] like I understand they're supposed to be the 'liberal wiki' but jesus christ just because you have liberal views doesn't mean you should blindly defend this shit[/QUOTE] Don't be ridiculous. If you agree with something someone says you have to agree with everything they say. That's why fox hunting is an objectively anti-Nazi activity.

the talk page for the article on rationalwiki is even worse than wikipedias. all the standard crap- that zoepost is slut shaming (see Reimu's stuff on how it raises serious questions), it's a campaign of misogyny and any kind of discussion on problems in SJ circles or journalistic ethics is a distraction or a blatant cover for harassment (then why do so many people support it that have nothing to do with misogyny). also they think the article is actually balanced and gives other viewpoints (of course, the only pro GG viewpoints are covers for harassment) like I understand they're supposed to be the 'liberal wiki' but jesus christ just because you have liberal views doesn't mean you should blindly defend this shit.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46225864]the funniest part about bayonetta's design being "sexist" is that it was designed by a woman. [url]http://platinumgames.com/2009/04/17/designing-bayonetta/[/url][/QUOTE] I absolutely adore that artwork. Top quality stuff.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46225864]the funniest part about bayonetta's design being "sexist" is that it was designed by a woman. [url]http://platinumgames.com/2009/04/17/designing-bayonetta/[/url][/QUOTE] I had a talk about this with my girlfriend, and we are both astonished that a game like Bayonetta is being villified. As with movies, there will be all kinds of different flavours. Sexy games should exist just like prude games should exist. Just because you have a hatred for sexuality being in the open, doesn't mean you should try to ban it outright. This whole conversation is just getting on my nerves. I like reading fantasy books, there are a lot of fantasy books with a male lead, but there are also plenty with female leads or strong female figures. When I started reading fantasy the market was predominately taken up with strong male protaganists. With the start of the more female books like twilight, I see a huge increase of books that have a female protaganist. They were probably already written before, but I see a lot more of those kind of books on the shelves now. This brings me back to videogames. After the success of The Young Capitalists, I expected a lot more ''feminist-driven'' Kickstarters or Indiegogos, but I simply see a lot more hatred towards all the things that are ''wrong''. It is just so incredibly disheartening to see so many people being passionate about their ideology, but investing their time so foolishly. While Pro-GG is trying so much to change things, all I see from Anti-GG is them rallying against Pro-GG side. It makes you wonder why they don't care about the outcome or the cause, you would almost start to think that they just want to destroy or turn the people that think different than them.

[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;46226033]I had a talk about this with my girlfriend, and we are both astonished that a game like Bayonetta is being villified. As with movies, there will be all kinds of different flavours. Sexy games should exist just like prude games should exist. Just because you have a hatred for sexuality being in the open, doesn't mean you should try to ban it outright. This whole conversation is just getting on my nerves. I like reading fantasy books, there are a lot of fantasy books with a male lead, but there are also plenty with female leads or strong female figures. When I started reading fantasy the market was predominately taken up with strong male protaganists. With the start of the more female books like twilight, I see a huge increase of books that have a female protaganist. They were probably already written before, but I see a lot more of those kind of books on the shelves now. This brings me back to videogames. After the success of The Young Capitalists, I expected a lot more ''feminist-driven'' Kickstarters or Indiegogos, but I simply see a lot more hatred towards all the things that are ''wrong''. It is just so incredibly disheartening to see so many people being passionate about their ideology, but investing their time so foolishly. While Pro-GG is trying so much to change things, all I see from Anti-GG is them rallying against Pro-GG side. It makes you wonder why they don't care about the outcome or the cause, you would almost start to think that they just want to destroy or turn the people that think different than them.[/QUOTE] Books have been around for just about forever; unlike video games anybody who can read can pick up a book, and it's guaranteed there's about a thousand or so books for each and every demographic out there. Video games are still a very young industry and medium, so there's not as much variety or choice to be had and they're not as accessible to everyone. This also makes it really easy for people to bring their agendas into it and not be ignored because nearly everything related to the industry becomes a priority. The problem I have is that these kind of people preaching their ideologies and trying to enforce it aren't actually making an active attempt to solve problems, they're actually making things worse - rather than try and make a change, they're more content to argue with people to make it [i]seem[/i] like they're promoting a change solely by being passionate about it. The few games produced by these sort of people aren't even very accessible to the existing demographics within the game industry. Twilight and 50 Shades gets away with this sort of stuff because every demographic is accepting of books.

Some interesting stuff going on here. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh6xSkFCWvQ[/url]

[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;46224410][...] [quote]memes[/quote][/QUOTE] Well, [I]technically[/I] that's a correct (if too unspecific) description... if speaking academically.

the thing that's depressing me the most is that patrick klepek is trying to push his misinformed agenda across giantbomb and is getting away with it.

"All/no characters should be X" is a very bad argument because it assumes every character in every game is designed with the same goals in mind. If we did things that way then most games would suffer from serious shifts in pace and tone that would make some of them borderline unplayable. Not only that but nobody has this down to an exact science so anything and everything can fail.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46225091]"The left" controlling the media is a conspiracy theory that doesn't hold up to reality when you examine media influence on things like elections and social policy. Particularly in the United States, there isn't a whole lot of "leftist" media. MSNBC are cheerleaders for the Democrats who occasionally swing to the left but have become by and large the party of the Washington establishment. CNN merely forwards viewers the talking points of either party and has next to no journalistic integrity, and Fox News (the largest news corporation ie the one with the most control) appeals to reactionary far-right anti-government types.[/QUOTE] By EU standards both the Democrats and Republicans are more or less extremists in the same conservative and liberal corner of the political alignment graph by the way, so it really really doesn't make much difference for which you vote in terms of liberal vs socialist and conservative vs progressive. Calling pretty much any US TV station "leftist" or even "left" sounds like a joke to me :v: (I got this from an infographic with [I]I think[/I] no sources, but it's fairly obvious.) [editline]14th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Aredbomb;46226459]"All/no characters should be X" is a very bad argument because it assumes every character in every game is designed with the same goals in mind. If we did things that way then most games would suffer from serious shifts in pace and tone that would make some of them borderline unplayable. Not only that but nobody has this down to an exact science so anything and everything can fail.[/QUOTE] "All/no X should be Y" is a terrible argument anyway, except if we were talking about things that actually directly can harm someone worse than getting sore thumbs or a headache because Ubisoft still doesn't see the need for more than 30 FPS.