Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46226574]Calling pretty much any US TV station "leftist" or even "left" sounds like a joke to me :v: [/QUOTE] MSNBC does nothing but push the "liberal" side of any controversy, even if it means lying to do so (as they did during the Trayvon Martin incident). Their corruption goes back a long, long ways. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dateline_NBC#General_Motors_vs._NBC[/url] MSNBC is not as bad as Fox News usually, but when they sink low, they sink really really low.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;46223909][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz2ZHVFIUAA13nc.jpg:large[/t] This is going bananas.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure of the point of posts like this. Isn't using flaming tweets in conversations like these as examples of the opposition just as bad as using death threats against game developers as examples of Gamergate?

[QUOTE=Wowza!;46227146]I'm not sure of the point of posts like these. Isn't using Twitter conversations like these as examples of the opposition just as bad as using death threats against game developers as examples of Gamergate?[/QUOTE] It's probably just for pointing and laughing. Nobody's using twitter conversations from random people as arguments for anything as far as I know.

[QUOTE=CcZero;46227171]It's probably just for pointing and laughing. Nobody's using twitter conversations from random people as arguments for anything as far as I know.[/QUOTE] Twitter's format is perfect for shitposting and sniping at people or groups you dislike instead of instead of having real conversations.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;46226459]"All/no characters should be X" is a very bad argument because it assumes every character in every game is designed with the same goals in mind. If we did things that way then most games would suffer from serious shifts in pace and tone that would make some of them borderline unplayable. Not only that but nobody has this down to an exact science so anything and everything can fail.[/QUOTE] I don't think that it's a stretch to say that with their kind of thinking they would want Star Ship troopers banned because it's fascist propaganda. Showing doesnt mean promoting.

I'm going to try to stream a G+ chat anyway, I'm pacific standard time (california) and can do it tuesday or later. There would be possible 3 of us. though Reimu only can talk about non gg stuff unless it's shit that gets flung at him, if I got his position correctly. sound like minimum of 4 people.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46225864]the funniest part about bayonetta's design being "sexist" is that it was designed by a woman. [url]http://platinumgames.com/2009/04/17/designing-bayonetta/[/url][/QUOTE] also, Duke Nukem and all of his lines were made by two women.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;46227106]MSNBC does nothing but push the "liberal" side of any controversy, even if it means lying to do so (as they did during the Trayvon Martin incident). Their corruption goes back a long, long ways. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dateline_NBC#General_Motors_vs._NBC[/url] MSNBC is not as bad as Fox News usually, but when they sink low, they sink really really low.[/QUOTE] But liberal isn't even "left", unless those labels are really different for you on the other side of the Atlantic. Usually the most right-wing party in German parliament is also (one of) the most liberal here.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;46223909][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz2ZHVFIUAA13nc.jpg:large[/t] This is going bananas.[/QUOTE] Anti #gamergate everyone. I can't wait till he tracks down this thread and tries to explain himself, But the only words he knows are: "Fuck" and "Off"

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46227401]But liberal isn't even "left", unless those labels are really different for you on the other side of the Atlantic. Usually the most right-wing party in German parliament is also (one of) the most liberal here.[/QUOTE] america is basically backwards land

Inspiration Time [IMG]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/847/152/0b7.png[/IMG] [QUOTE][video=youtube;3VNL8T4tbnM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNL8T4tbnM[/video][/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/on-gamers-culture-and-gamergate/[/url] "On Gamers, Culture, and #GamerGate"

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46227806][url]http://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/on-gamers-culture-and-gamergate/[/url] "On Gamers, Culture, and #GamerGate"[/QUOTE] goddamn that was great to read now I really want to learn about modernism and postmodernism

That really is a good read. I notice a similarity to concepts of decentralization that have become popular on the Internet (and on how the Internet itself works really). I'm sure there are some really good parallels that are useful to think about from the perspective of a programmer even. He notes that the grand narrative is more like a tree while gamer culture is more like a graph... And I think that graphs provide more freedom for representation of knowledge since links can be made in any direction, while in a tree you can't link back. Graphs are harder to parse though, which is something he also mentions although using the tree surface layer analogy.

[url]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill[/url] bro team talking about literally who. i know i know literally who not gg whatever, but apparently he's been talking to a lot of people and developers who are afraid to come forward about her (and possibly gg?) because every week there's a new supposed rape threat. "I have talked to people who are afraid to come forward with stories of how Zoe has fucked with them. They fear also being ostracized" "The thing is, a lot of actual developers are afraid to come forward because she has made rape accusations towards them. This is a real thing" "Every fucking week, a guy tried to rape her or attack her and she broke his nose or eye or stabbed him to death." "This is apparently why she refused for a decade to work any "normal" job. Check her Deviant Nation page. A guy always attacks her first week"

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46227806][url]http://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/on-gamers-culture-and-gamergate/[/url] "On Gamers, Culture, and #GamerGate"[/QUOTE] This is one of the wordiest fucking things I've ever read but I'll be damned if it isn't right on the money.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46225665]kotaku is about to get kicked out of top 10 steam curators list soon by steam users [URL]http://store.steampowered.com/curators/topcurators[/URL] good pc games will kick them to #10 as soon as it refreshes, then we need #11 or #12 (boogie2298) to exceed them.[/QUOTE]I just realized how interesting the curator rankings are when you actually sit down and compare them to each other instead of by flat rank. [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/1370293-Cynical-Brit-Gaming/]Cynical Brit[/url] is apparently the most legit reviewer ever, beating out literally everyone [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/33526-Rock-Paper-Shotgun/]The entirety of Rock Paper Shotgun[/url] does not equal [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6856736-The-Jim-Sterling-Collection/]one Jim Sterling[/url] or [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6858960-The-Nerd%C2%B3-Boxset/]a cubed Nerd[/url], and is just managing to inch ahead of [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6863163-The-Cox-List/]Jesse Cox[/url] [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6859357-Boogie2988%27s-Games/]Boogie[/url] is worth approximately 3.33 [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/27-NeoGAF/]NeoGAFs[/url] [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6857089-Double-Fine-Productions/]Double Fine[/url], [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6856988-Giant-Bomb-Staff/]Giant Bomb[/url] and [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/9869-IGN/]IGN[/url] are all playing catch-up with [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6861215-Hodor-Review/]Hodor[/url]

[QUOTE=Pennywise;46228258]I just realized how interesting the curator rankings are when you actually sit down and compare them to each other instead of by flat rank. [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/1370293-Cynical-Brit-Gaming/]Cynical Brit[/url] is apparently the most legit reviewer ever, beating out literally everyone [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/33526-Rock-Paper-Shotgun/]The entirety of Rock Paper Shotgun[/url] does not equal [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6856736-The-Jim-Sterling-Collection/]one Jim Sterling[/url] or [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6858960-The-Nerd%C2%B3-Boxset/]a cubed Nerd[/url], and is just managing to inch ahead of [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6863163-The-Cox-List/]Jesse Cox[/url] [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6859357-Boogie2988%27s-Games/]Boogie[/url] is worth approximately 3.33 [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/27-NeoGAF/]NeoGAFs[/url] [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6857089-Double-Fine-Productions/]Double Fine[/url], [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6856988-Giant-Bomb-Staff/]Giant Bomb[/url] and [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/9869-IGN/]IGN[/url] are all playing catch-up with [url=http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6861215-Hodor-Review/]Hodor[/url][/QUOTE] The heck is that Hodor guy? And why can't I stop scrolling through his reviews?

[QUOTE=Banned?;46224328]I've liked him since he worked at Destuctoid. We shared a lot of same opinions, game tastes, and he was one of the few people who really didn't let companies shit just play out. A lot of people thought he was trolly but there was a pretty fine line between when he was trolling and when he was serious. He was the main reason I listened to Dtoid's podcasts. Now, like many of the people who I used to respect before all this Gamer Gate stuff started, I'm really quickly losing respect for him because it seems like he's now defending the crap we're trying to out.[/QUOTE] This is the issue with Sterling and it's surprisingly the same issue with Biscuit. They will attack the fuck out of faceless entities, they chew the "them" up one side and the other and rally the troops and burn the flags and storm the gates. Neither one of them will call anyone on their shit other than in a nebulous and vague fashion, which while being egalitarian in the short run, is only making things worse in the long run. People acting in a shitty fashion need to be called on it. Sterling's bias in regards to Alexander is equally problematic , all homosexual people aren't saints or somehow devoid of being an asshole simply by dint of their sexuality, and that's why he supports her. She's a racist and further prejudiced to boot, fullstop. She needs to go, and their friendship should have no bearing on that. In the fourfold problem of gamergate, "but X is my bro, they are free from scrutiny and examination" is one of the four pillars of the problem, that's how this shit broke out in the first place.

[QUOTE]This is the issue with Sterling and it's surprisingly the same issue with Biscuit.[/QUOTE] TB has outright supported #gamergate. He goes on streams and shit all the time and he calls BS from the other side constantly. I don't see how you can equate his actions to those of Jim Sterling.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46228233][url]https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill[/url] bro team talking about literally who. i know i know literally who not gg whatever, but apparently he's been talking to a lot of people and developers who are afraid to come forward about her (and possibly gg?) because every week there's a new supposed rape threat. "I have talked to people who are afraid to come forward with stories of how Zoe has fucked with them. They fear also being ostracized" "The thing is, a lot of actual developers are afraid to come forward because she has made rape accusations towards them. This is a real thing" "Every fucking week, a guy tried to rape her or attack her and she broke his nose or eye or stabbed him to death." "This is apparently why she refused for a decade to work any "normal" job. Check her Deviant Nation page. A guy always attacks her first week"[/QUOTE] Uh, yeah. From what I recall in my own research, this is 100% true. She has a long history of false accusations towards others in the industry. It's one of the ways she builds control over others.

[QUOTE=FangLargo;46228346]The heck is that Hodor guy? And why can't I stop scrolling through his reviews?[/QUOTE] Literally the best character in Game of Thrones [video=youtube;0LUIRDBM2yA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LUIRDBM2yA[/video]

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;46228724]TB has outright supported #gamergate. He goes on streams and shit all the time and he calls BS from the other side constantly. I don't see how you can equate his actions to those of Jim Sterling.[/QUOTE] Bad reading for you. I can because he doesn't call people directly. There's been instances where he literally knows the identity of a person in a company giving him shit, and he still refers to the company. It happened with Day One, it happened with EA and it happened with Microsoft, it happened with several people calling him "rapey" and a "cismonger", he says this directly in the first kingofpol-cast. People going off their own company's policy and handing out shit need to be called on it directly, that's part of the entire problem. I'm not talking about him saying to someone "wrong, that's false" in a podcast, I'm talking his refusal to call people on their direct antagonism towards him and gamers/gaming in general, especially when he knows who they are, and that the company they work for would likely fire their ass for being a dick. Sterling's the same way. "Everybody gets an opinion" only works when the opinion isn't LOLNOFUCKYOUCISRAPIST and is actually based on things like recognizable patterns, facts and perhaps even, just maybe, some goddamn common fucking sense.

Grr...side projects (damnit Win10). THIS WEEK: captioning marathon. Nothing else.

[QUOTE=27X;46229230]"cismonger"[/QUOTE] what [editline]14th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=27X;46229230] "Everybody gets an opinion" only works when the opinion isn't LOLNOFUCKYOUCISRAPIST and is actually based on things like recognizable patterns, facts and perhaps even, just maybe, some goddamn common fucking sense.[/QUOTE] Even that is way too generous. In my opinion, you can only apply "everyone gets an opinion and shouldn't be called out on it" to someone who supports the same idea.

[QUOTE=27X;46229230]Bad reading for you. I can because he doesn't call people directly. There's been instances where he literally knows the identity of a person in a company giving him shit, and he still refers to the company. It happened with Day One, it happened with EA and it happened with Microsoft, it happened with several people calling him "rapey" and a "cismonger", he says this directly in the first kingofpol-cast. People going off their own company's policy and handing out shit need to be called on it directly, that's part of the entire problem. I'm not talking about him saying to someone "wrong, that's false" in a podcast, I'm talking his refusal to call people on their direct antagonism towards him and gamers/gaming in general, especially when he knows who they are, and that the company they work for would likely fire their ass for being a dick. Sterling's the same way. "Everybody gets an opinion" only works when the opinion isn't LOLNOFUCKYOUCISRAPIST and is actually based on things like recognizable patterns, facts and perhaps even, just maybe, some goddamn common fucking sense.[/QUOTE] I don't know. TB seems to be aware of how much 'social power' he can wield. He has said before, he could potentially 'unleash the hounds' at his whim. If there are certain employees harrasing people against company policy, that's a problem, and the company has a responsibility to act, and it's his responsibility to notify of companies of such behaviour. And regardless of whether he's justified to identify individuals like that, he'd be doing so knowing that there's going to be [I]that idiotic minority[/I] that's going to be coming with vitriol and death threats. And that's going to cause unnecessary harm when punishment from the company, whether it be a telling-off or an outright firing, might have stopped such behaviour more peacefully. Of course, sometimes, such a public alert might be necessary sometimes, but it's hard to know when it is so. E: As for Sterling, I think the consensus is that he's got friends in circles. And I'd have troubles speaking publicly against corruption if they were my friends as well. There really is no winning for him, although it doesn't excuse his half-hearted whinging.

He is aware, and that's the point. No one but an asshole would expect him to just smash an opinion down a company or individual's throat, but simply acting as if certain people have carte blanche is equally as damaging long term. If there aren't consequences for lack of integrity or sticking to objective facts, there's literally no incentive to change the behavior to begin with.

[QUOTE=FangLargo;46228346]The heck is that Hodor guy? And why can't I stop scrolling through his reviews?[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/obcrjYD.png[/img] [I]And then I subscribed.[/I]

[QUOTE][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8K3GoRl.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Friend of mine made this graphic. How accurate do you guys feel this is to the state of GG?

This was on KIA that was taken from Brianna Wu: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInActi..._milo_debacle/[/url] [quote] Changing the New Normal I believe that if you want to solve a problem, sometimes you have to talk to people you disagree with. When I read Stephen Totilo’s Kotaku piece about me, one passage really struck me - “Friday’s incident brings a different aspect of the Gamergate controversy to the fore: the targeting of women, the sense that discussion about gaming, games media ethics, and gamers will be forever contaminated by an ugliness disproportionate to the issues at hand. This is a potential new status quo that we at Kotaku reject.” I laid awake most of the night thinking about that line. My biggest fear is this current hostile environment could be the new normal. I asked myself if I could do anything to change that. I asked myself if there was someone I could reach out to and try to calm this down. It was in that spirit that I reached out to Adam Baldwin, who rejected my offer. I then reached out to Milo Yiannopoulos. Almost immediately, I had friends telling me this was a bad idea. Something I did not know was he had linked to nude pictures of my friend Zoe Quinn in one of his articles. I also did not fully understand the intensity of his views. Still - I’d made a professional commitment and I intended to stick to it. However, things about the interview setup seemed immensely off. It seemed like we wanted different goals. My goal was to reach out and try to have a dialogue over the parts of Gamergate that we agree on. Such as, “People should be able to campaign for changes to the videogame industry without fear of harassment” and “Game journalists should have a code of conduct and stick to it.” When I got the first draft of Milo’s questions, my heart sank. He seemed to want me to answer some highly inflammatory questions about Gamergate. This was completely opposite of the intention I thought we had of quieting things down. I read through them, still agreed to answer almost all of them, and still planned to do the interview. I told Milo I would get to his questions this evening. He said we could record any time tonight. Right now, I am in the middle of figuring out where I’m going to live while law enforcement tries to determine who sent me these death threats. I’d planned to get to a safe location tonight, get internet access, look over the questions, and contact Milo to figure out a time to record. He is not the only member of the press waiting on input from me. Institutions like the BBC and CBS are also waiting to have their emails returned. While I was in the midst of traveling, Milo started tweeting that I’d abandoned his show, and then made a series of extremely inflammatory tweets about me. The funny thing is, if he had waited 30 minutes, I would have had internet access and a place to set up my audio. This is the point at which I decided we want different professional goals. This might surprise some people, but my political views have evolved over my life. I’ve watched a lot of Fox News, listened to a lot of Rush Limbaugh, I’ve read every book Bill O’Reilly had ever written up to 2005, even “Those Who Trespass.” I’ve always had an immense amount of respect for Democrats that go onto Fox News. I think it shows guts, and I think it’s an effective way to get your message out. I was sincere when I said I want to calm Gamergate down. I am willing to reach out to people who are genuinely concerned about journalistic ethics and try to find common ground. Milo Yiannopoulos, please accept my apologies that this didn’t work out. I sincerely wish you the best in your future endeavors. One speaks of 'good intentions', yet spoke nothing in the msnbc bit. This coming from someone to used a picture of an autistic child's photo. [/quote] also BBC radio program. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/business#playepisode1[/url] BBC business matters Oct 14, oil prices pluge at 17:30ish. Better then MSN but can be painful to listen too. One person did mention the bad situation with the games journalist. Another thing a Huntington post podcast will be live or out 1:30est. There's no doubt, it's going to be cringey even hotwheels on and that's all the attention I want to bring to it. So I'll try to go start a google + chat some time tuesday (sadly only tuesday) to get things rolling. I can be more expressive verbally then with writing, though sometimes my brain gets scrambled so hopefully it won't happen tomorrow. I'll most likely will accept people to come into chat from first a FP pm to confirm they're g+ account. I'll also have to setup a new G+ account, but I'll save it for the morning (I'm tired to a point here I could forget the password). The time I'll plan depending on others, but I think after the podcast mentioned above, unless a bigger chat stream overlaps.