Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Thlis;46241869]It's just an easy way to dismiss an argument. Note that "You're scared of feminism!" and "they're not YOUR games, your little boy club is over!" aren't actual arguments, they are assertions.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Literally putting words in people's mouth in the most blatant way possible. It's almost cult-like. Reminds me of creationists, to be honest - "you just want to live without morals!" - "I never said anything even close to that" - "shut up, you just want to rob and kill people!"

[QUOTE=gudman;46241850]What's up with the same arguments being repeated over and over again. "You're scared of feminism!" and "they're not YOUR games, your little boy club is over!" No one ever said something like this. It comes out of people all the time with no provocation. [editline]15th October 2014[/editline] Most notably, yeah. But upon closer look, it almost always doesn't seem to be the case in any media but porn (which is its own can of worms...)[/QUOTE] They're just repeating what the nice news people told them in 11 articles, and they're not only condemning, but also abrogate any further discussion. Pretty tidy package.

Is anyone else slightly alarmed about Brianna being on TV? I'm going to post a whole thing about what I think when I get home, but essentially I don't think we should just ignore it

[QUOTE=Athlias;46241901]Is anyone else slightly alarmed about Brianna being on TV? I'm going to post a whole thing about what I think when I get home, but essentially I don't think we should just ignore it[/QUOTE] I'm really interested to know what we can do about that.

The main issue is no one is question her assertions or her stance, no one is mentioning boogie, and most of the people asking the question have gaming journalist friends that they invite personally for panels on topics about gaming. There's zero context. No one is asking why if she feared for her life she only left the house for two hours and drove around, no one is trying to find out where the threats came from, or why they weren't vetted, etc etc. This is a pretty clear move, and there's already a clear assumption of intent. I mean when they report on a criminal issue, they don't invite the criminal on, do they? [editline]15th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;46241932]I'm really interested to know what we can do about that.[/QUOTE] You can email/twitter them and ask why Boogie hasn't been invited to speak on the exact topic they're talking about. It's what I did. [quote] he had a one sided discussion in the first place [/quote] Because he assumed that was all there was to the subject, and he's done it before. Just because they're on an open format doesn't mean he's not operating the way most news outlets operate, you can see this on his other episodes. To his credit, he went back around, but he's also operatiing under the assumption that both his audience and his producers would only understand the story under his context, and that obviously wasn't the case, and he literally gets flustered when his "objective narrative" gets insta-countered pretty unilaterally. He's not educating anyone on the panel, and his pretext that he was rings rather false.

[QUOTE=27X;46241947] You can email/twitter them and ask why Boogie hasn't been invited to speak on the exact topic they're talking about. It's what I did. [/QUOTE] Any response?

Not yet.

brianna isn't really the person I'd want representing my side I'd prefer someone who brushes their hair before appearing on national television

[QUOTE=Pennywise;46240893]Jesus Christ, I want a downloadable version of this KingofPol stream after it's done. They've got an anonymous video game dude on and he's given out insider views on Simcity, Megaman, rushed sequels in general, Mass Effect, EA games, Metroid Prime, Japanese markets and companies compared to American ones, Nintendo... pretty much everything. Not all of it is related directly to GG, but it's a hell of an interesting info dump.[/QUOTE] Can anyone sum up what happened? I really want to know

[QUOTE=Athlias;46241901]Is anyone else slightly alarmed about Brianna being on TV? I'm going to post a whole thing about what I think when I get home, but essentially I don't think we should just ignore it[/QUOTE] I really wouldn't be that worried. As Huffingtonpost showed, they were willing to speak with people on the side of gamergate and look how that turned out. As long as we can keep our heads cool and come up with the facts to refute her arguments we should be good.

[QUOTE] You can email/twitter them and ask why Boogie hasn't been invited to speak on the exact topic they're talking about. It's what I did.[/QUOTE] You guys need to stop sucking boogie's dick. In the last video he made about this his "I'm in the middle stance" was completely retarded. He's the least prepared person to talk about this. He somehow made the argument that this is a battle of sexes while not mentioning #notyourshield nor TFYC. Boogie shouldn't be appearing anywhere and supposedly representing us.

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;46242149]You guys need to stop sucking boogie's dick. In the last video he made about this his "I'm in the middle stance" was completely retarded. He's the least prepared person to talk about this. He somehow made the argument that this is a battle of sexes while not mentioning #notyourshield nor TFYC. Boogie shouldn't be appearing anywhere and supposedly representing us.[/QUOTE] Boogie sucks ass, but he shouldn't have been under attack. Simple as that. We are not gaming media, we don't give a shit [b]who[/b] the victim of harassment is. [sp]as long as the event doesn't seem too convenient or dodgy as shit[/sp] While I really wouldn't like him representing me anywhere ever, it's a legit question to ask why he is totally ignored.

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;46242149]You guys need to stop sucking boogie's dick. In the last video he made about this his "I'm in the middle stance" was completely retarded. He's the least prepared person to talk about this. He somehow made the argument that this is a battle of sexes while not mentioning #notyourshield nor TFYC. Boogie shouldn't be appearing anywhere and supposedly representing us.[/QUOTE] I think it is best for Boogie if he just pulls out altogether. We wouldn't hold it against him for that, this isn't the kind of debate you can easily stay neutral in because the anti-GG side has the attitude of 'Not with us = against us = literally Hitler'. He can't handle the stress from this at all, and this bouncing around viewpoints and making unbased assumptions about the #gg side isn't endearing much of the #GG crowd either. I do think that his intentions are good, but he should take a step back, or just should discuss it with people who can speak up better, like TotalBiscuit.

[QUOTE=Datsun;46242129]I really wouldn't be that worried. As Huffingtonpost showed, they were willing to speak with people on the side of gamergate and look how that turned out. As long as we can keep our heads cool and come up with the facts to refute her arguments we should be good.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling that it wouldn't really be happening anymore. Guys on King's stream said it right, it's either a major breakthrough, or the last time they were ever welcome there.

A mod from Silliconera leaked this. [url]http://imgur.com/a/nVk3Z[/url] Warning, fuck ton of reading required. Some are saying that mods have actively been forcing agendas, such as deleting pro Vita posts.

[QUOTE=ZuXer;46242067]Can anyone sum up what happened? I really want to know[/QUOTE] He talked about insider information on companies in how things really go on behind the scenes which games journalists don't tell you, how companies are now scared of games journalists, and EA is not the bad guy it's claimed to be especially with ME3 in that the true ending was going to be added as dlc as a big send off. He dosen't work at EA but he said that EA wants to reach out for more of a transparent relationship with it's customers and gamergate should reach out to EA and he said EA dosen't blame you the consumer for jumping on the bandwagon. Then he stated that EA are a sum of individuals with families and they take your comments seriously (mentioned previously on TB&JS), and EA's structure is changing so he doesn't know who one can reach out to. Another thing he mentioned maybe some people who have said they are anti gg are doing it out of fear, 'maybe moviebob'. Megaman, partly on anti death laws to why you don't kill humans and another on rumored megaman legend 3 was meant to die into megaman zero and be set in the great massacre of humanity mentioned in zero. This is all from memory and I never played megaman enough to know it's story line. Oh and nintentdo has issues. "what if I told you, EA was your true friend, and nintendo had a dark side" #redpill

Jeez, it seems Giantbomb has gone fairly anti-GG. Patrick Klepek is posting articles about Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu getting death threats, the community is are shouting down any discussion, and Jeff Gerstmann of all people has said that asking for ethical behaviour is "largely farcical". The short discussion they had on the Bombcast makes it seem like they're against the bullshit on both sides, but they definitely don't see anything wrong with the shit the games media has been up to either.

Guys, this guy wrote 12 tweets against me for defending a video game [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pJxoZo5.png[/IMG] I need some help, I may be doxxed soon. here's my twitter If you need it: [url]https://twitter.com/TheLordOfBoxes[/url]

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;46242318]Guys, this guy wrote 12 tweets against me for defending a video game [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pJxoZo5.png[/IMG] I need some help, I may be doxxed soon.[/QUOTE] You can run some privacy audits on yourself if you want. [URL]http://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/inspiration/dont-get-doxed-5-steps-protecting-your-private-information-web-0133806/[/URL] [URL]http://www.pipl.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;46242318]Guys, this guy wrote 12 tweets against me for defending a video game [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pJxoZo5.png[/IMG] I need some help, I may be doxxed soon. here's my twitter If you need it: [url]https://twitter.com/TheLordOfBoxes[/url][/QUOTE] Here's some sage advice: Doxxing doesn't mean anything until the opposition capitalizes on it in a way you feel uncomfortable. Them simply posting your info and one or two people texting you "gunna getcha!( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)" is no threat to you. The one thing we have that they don't is [i]sanity.[/i] Don't lose it because someone googled your name.

Megaman Zero is my favorite series, despite the fact I played only this series because I did not know you could emulate other platforms on a very horrendous PC. The guy spoke in a monotonic manner and never stopped to reflect on the paragraphs he was spewing so it was very hard to keep track of a guy who keeps rambling on and on. Evidence of this is that KingOfPol fell asleep/went afk :v: Other than that it sounded very interesting indeed. I will listen to it in a later date for sure.

[QUOTE=Cliff2;46239680][video=youtube;qtzrUsi6Y1s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtzrUsi6Y1s[/video][/QUOTE] I can't be the only one that thinks the guy is trying to force it onto one topic, mainly Anti-Gamergate.

[QUOTE=Xonax;46242430]I can't be the only one that thinks the guy is trying to force it onto one topic, mainly Anti-Gamergate.[/QUOTE] He addresses this further down the video where he can't just officially at least, agree with what is being said.

[QUOTE=gudman;46242232]I have a feeling that it wouldn't really be happening anymore. Guys on King's stream said it right, it's either a major breakthrough, or the last time they were ever welcome there.[/QUOTE] I hope its a breakthrough for the good of the industry.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46242462]He also keeps moving the goalposts. Its a great example why he should not be the moderator as subconsciously or even intentionally moves away from neutrality.[/QUOTE] We're going to have to deal with this somehow, I guess. I'm not saying he's in the neutral side, I'm saying that he did his best and that didn't come out very good. That's what I pick up from his tone, at least.

[QUOTE=gudman;46241932]I'm really interested to know what we can do about that.[/QUOTE] We are going to acknowledge it and that's it. We can't allow ourselves to be distracted as we are. These journalist people have fucked my ass for too long, my first decision when I saw all of this happen was to ignore it and block it out, but when it started affecting me, my friends, when my identity, the people I knew were all being labeled as someone we aren't, by [I]hypocrites[/I] with nothing more then thoughts of fat stacks of cash in their brains and an ego the size of their mouths thinking they can represent us, control us and make their opinions mine and yours. The internet is a place of virality and people have learned to manipulate it to their own ends. What happens when I am called out by my family, or my co-workers or eventually my friends as being one of [I]them?[/I] When am I allowed to speak, when am I allowed to say that, No! I am not a man of hate or greed, a social shut-in with nothing better to do then make fun of people through video-games, I am not a violent or hateful person just because I enjoy them. When people told us we were these things we stayed together, we were all a family, we all had the common goal of being together and not letting them tell us how to think or how to breath. We stuck through it and we made fantastic things, lovely things that we all enjoyed and cared for deeply and could share with each other. It's when the people who rallied us together in the first place turned their backs on us, took bribes in the form of early-copies from companies to give an extra mark on their un-creative and money-grubbing games, it's when the bloggers who would normally be confined to their personal bubble began to expand to us and tell the uninformed who we were and falsely pretended to represent us that somebody, somewhere. Got angry. We knew, we know, things are bad. Worse then bad. They're crazy. So when people got angry - and they knew we got angry - they directly attacked us, they used us as cannon fodder and treated us like scum and villainy and had the power to tell the world that, [I]that[/I] is exactly what we were. When I made the choice to block it out, as did many others, the choice we made was based on our thoughts and our opinions, and it kept growing, and growing until the point came where I became angry. I don't hate. I don't want to hate. I don't want to be labeled as such. It's when I finally realized I was being targeted I didn't want this. This isn't who we are. I'm not going to take this anymore! Something has to be done, I don't know what has to be done but something, anything has to be done, but first we have to rally together and say it - this is not who we are, and we will not take being labeled as such. Were distracted, conflicted. They are organized, know their goals. They victimize themselves, but take the power and money that goes with it, we cannot- we WILL not stand up for this, I am tired, sick of these people. We cannot allow ourselves to distance ourselves from what we stand to fight against. They know they will soon fall, they know journalism in games is close to death but we can prevent that, we can make it better for all of us, no more click-bait articles, unfair reviews where anything over the number seven is the only known form of score, no more opinions and biased. They have screwed me - they have screwed you, they screw the uninformed and I am not going to take it. This post might seem pretentious but it's my feelings, my anger at these people, I am tired of being considered just another customer, I am a human being with my own thoughts, not someone who thought it was okay to send somebody threats as if he was really going to do it. This post might be ignored or even possibly disagreed with, but I stand by my word - I am not going down without a fight, I will not block myself from the issues, I will become part of the solution. I am my own person, I am not going to be told what is good and what is bad. I am going to formulate my own opinion. I'm mad, your mad, we are all mad, and we have a right to be so. We can make this a better place, but it starts with us. Not them. Ideas come from creativity - not business plans. I'm sorry for this probably terrible post, but I had to let it out. I don't want this anymore, nobody deserves this.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46241314]That's not...love.[/QUOTE] Definition: 'Love' is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope... Love is knowing your target, putting them in your targeting reticule, and together, achieving a singular purpose against statistically long odds. I live my life by the gospel of HK-47 our Droid and savior.

oh man that quote. some guy I knew back in highschool once asked the girl next to him what her definition of love was just so he could say that quote. I cringed pretty hard.

[QUOTE=Heldure;46242646]oh man that quote. some guy I knew back in highschool once asked the girl next to him what her definition of love was just so he could say that quote. I cringed pretty hard.[/QUOTE] Oh...Oh no.

[QUOTE=ZuXer;46242067]Can anyone sum up what happened? I really want to know[/QUOTE]I'm going off of memory here, and it was kind of a hopping discussion anyway, so pardon any incoherence or important omissions: - Guy was an art design dude they pull in for game jobs, so while he has some experience with game companies it's not by any means comprehensive. - Has never worked for Valve. Talk from friends in the industry gives him the impression that Valve is kind of slapdash right now, but that's because they can more-or-less lay back and let Steam keep them afloat. - Has never worked for EA, but has heard interesting things from other workers. More on that later. - Nintendo... not a big fan. Big fan of the franchises, but doesn't like the current-day company. Supposedly Nintendo has had quite a few internal shenanigans, including people climbing the business ladder through intimate relationships, but keeps a better lid on that stuff than other companies. - Sega is one of the few Japanese companies that actively tries to appeal to western audiences. Most other cases are happy accidents at best. - Japanese game companies are doing horribly, as a result of the above and that the average Japanese citizen spends more time in transit then relaxing at home. The latter is also a reason why portable devices such as smartphones and handhelds are getting more priority. - Halt in Megaman games may actually be due to legal issues in Japan. Japan has laws against depicting some things that could be likened to genocide, and the overarching plot from X onward of Sigma wanting to drive humans extinct was already a few steps past too close for comfort. Continuing the Sigma storyline, or the Legends storyline involving a machine that destroys then remakes all carbon lifeforms, would probably be legal suicide. - Comic book games are horrible red tape monsters, due to each character being legally treated as a type of individual sub-company instead of just a property to be lent out by the owner. Expect to hire a team of legal guys to venture out and carve out the needed rights [i]per character[/i]. - Guys who work on games tend to believe that Gaming Journalism as it stands right now is a drain on time and money. When journalists are flown out for wining and dining they usually also want to see the work actually being done, so they are given 'tours' of the working areas and actual workers (who should at this point be wholly dedicated to the job as journo time usually lines up with final-stretch crunch time) have to drop what they're doing to 'entertain' journalists and keep a good company image. - 'Bullshots' are also at least partially a product of current journalism setups, as journalists need something to write about before anything worth writing about is actually done. Cited here was the Watch Dogs demo: It was built for advertising purposes and nothing more. Most of it was scrapped as soon as it came time to [i]actually[/i] get to work on building a game, meaning that the money and time in early promo work went into pleasing media instead of actual game development. - The gaming industry also thinks that journalists sometimes plant the seeds for controversies in advance, to get more to talk about at the expense of actual game makers. Mass Effect 3 was a notable example given here. Articles came out before the release already painting ME3 as bad news, including one which intentionally misconstrued how much it would cost to get a "complete package" via DLC. He also believes that the ME3 ending was not supposed to be the actual ending so much as a primer for a real grand finale, but all the money needing to be siphoned away for damage control after everything blew up reduced that idea to a simple little band-aid fix. - He believes that, surprisingly enough, EA of all things might be sympathetic. They're familiar with journalists blowing things up in their face for fun and profit, and probably would be one of the more gung-ho for cutting out the middlemen between their products and customers. If they were to receive signs that they could survive without journalist support -- such as lots of feedback from customers voicing distrust in current media outlets and preferences to more direct methods of info -- they might not just drop support but spike it like a football. - And it's more speculation than fact, but he also questions the ratio of people who are legitimately supporting specific stances and people who are supporting specific stances because doing otherwise would be a ticket out the door. A change in public opinion [i]may[/i] get a few people singing different tunes.