Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

kingofpol is twitter shitposting at angry joe live on his stream this wont end well

Oh god Dammit. [editline]18th October 2014[/editline] Someone smack king of /pol/.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46273347]Oh god Dammit. [editline]18th October 2014[/editline] Someone smack king of /pol/.[/QUOTE] everyone in his chat is calling him a idiot right now hes shitposting to alex (lw1 person) too

Well it looks like Angry Joe was officially driven to an anti-GG position due to idiots. Hopefully him talking with Fart at the moment will reverse this.

Angry joe is getting too much shit. Listen, I fucking hate him for his content, I dislike it, I go to TB for better AJ content. But thats personal, ultimately angry joe got involved against his will and fucking assholes using his dead friend as a crutch. Can we please give him the benefit of the doubt being mad over that? That would make almost any sane person mad, you dont talk shit about dead friends to someone to win them over, you also dont speak for them.

I know it isn't practical but splintering off from gamergate and regrouping as something strictly anti-corruption is sounding more and more tempting by the day, there are just too many idiots ruining it for everyone.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;46273481]I know it isn't practical but splintering off from gamergate and regrouping as something strictly anti-corruption is sounding more and more tempting by the day, there are just too many idiots ruining it for everyone.[/QUOTE] splintering is bad idea though because that will spread this too thin theres always idiots in a movement

[QUOTE=squids_eye;46273481]I know it isn't practical but splintering off from gamergate and regrouping as something strictly anti-corruption is sounding more and more tempting by the day, there are just too many idiots ruining it for everyone.[/QUOTE] Let's launch the Facepunch Anti-Corruption Sleuth Squad... or something FP is ultimately one of the safest avenues for actual discussion because Garry does not possess any fucks for giveaway

[QUOTE=squids_eye;46273481]I know it isn't practical but splintering off from gamergate and regrouping as something strictly anti-corruption is sounding more and more tempting by the day, there are just too many idiots ruining it for everyone.[/QUOTE] Useful reminder from kingofpol's stream "Keep it about the facts. Keep it about journalistic integrity" Facts, not feels, gentlemen, is how we win.

Facts will have to change feels, however. Character counts.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;46273481]I know it isn't practical but splintering off from gamergate and regrouping as something strictly anti-corruption is sounding more and more tempting by the day, there are just too many idiots ruining it for everyone.[/QUOTE] absolutely not. evidence shows there has been a huge PR push before asking us to find "middleground" and "separate ourselves from the hatred" and "make a new hashtag." this will weaken us for sure and muddle the message, and they'll surely win.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46273502]splintering is bad idea though because that will spread this too thin theres always idiots in a movement[/QUOTE] This is a really common ad homeneim though, especially when the extremist social justice side takes arms. "Don't call yourself athiests, the athiest label is too tarnished, so here's Athiem+". I know bronies have a bad stigma on FP but they went through the same thing. "Don't call yourself bronies, the brony label is too tarnished, call yourselves MLP fans." And now it's "the gamer label is too tarnished, don't call yourself a gamer." It's all an attempt to just divide and conquer.

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SJWs are mad they didnt think of that first.

[QUOTE=JesseR92;46273623]SJWs are mad they didnt think of that first.[/QUOTE] SJWs dont donate to causes. they just ask for donations for themselves, and other SJWs that will help them out.

Also last time I checked the anti -bullying charity was set up because some fuckwit tried to legitimize bullying,in the middle of anti bullying month,after a few recent years of teens and young adults commiting suicide over bullying,because someone criticized how he handles journalism....

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;46270120]We need, like, a list of actual, irrefutable corruption that GG has exposed It's really hard to argue with someone who is anti-GG because even if you get it to them that the harassers don't represent the whole group, they haven't really done anything except get advertisers to pull from a site for insulting gamers. When you go into a site like this one, it's about 99% "look at this AGGer on Twitter and how much of an asshole he/she is" or "look at this mild e-celeb speaking against GG, doesn't that make you mad" GG is way more concerned with anti-GG than about actual corruption at this point, and even though I support what GG is for in theory, it's not really getting much done. Journalists insulting gamers in op-eds isn't concrete enough to be indicative of corruption. I know corruption has happened because I remember reading about some of them, but we need a source that lists actual examples, not stuff like the anti-gamer op eds and the Polygon Bayonetta 2 review.[/QUOTE] Here's a dump of what I've got so far: [QUOTE=Zyler;46209580]Problem is these gaming journalists have enormous power over the coverage that game developers receive and the success of those games. They've been colluding with certain 'developers' (if you can even call the people who make games in Twine or Unity in 6 hours developers) who are their friends and collegues while ignoring or not even mentioning actual game developers because they either don't like their political beliefs, because those developers don't give the games journalists special privileges like free ipods and hookers. The reason people complain is stuff like this [thumb]http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/6/63573/2467890-screen+shot+2013-04-10+at+1.17.00+pm.png[/thumb] and this: [thumb]http://depts.washington.edu/critgame/project/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/depression-quest.png[/thumb] gets massive praise and attention while stuff like this: [video=youtube;nyfmd9ZMyIw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyfmd9ZMyIw[/video] as well as things like bayonetta, D4 (made by the same guy as Deadly Premonition) gets negative reviews by sites such as RPS, Kotaku and Polygon despite being incredibly promising titles because they don't like the developers. When I say RPS, Kotaku and Polygon I'm talking about Gawker Media. Polygon (and Kotaku by extension) gave Bayonetta a 7.5/10 while every other review website gave it 9/10 or 10/10. While you may think that a 7.5 or "a positive review" is the same thing as a 9/10 or a 10/10, it isn't. 7.5 out of 10 is average for a video game. A "positive review" is average. This is a game that received critical acclaim and would probably be game of the year material if the websites that showed complete bias in their reviews don't have anything to say about it All of these games are made by indie game devs with, funilly enough, just about the same budget entirely funded by kickstarter. And yet some of these people can simply degrade the gaming news scene so much that they can influence the market a lot more than any genuinely good game dev who doesn't wield stupid amounts of political and social power ever could. It's fine and dandy for someone to say to us to just stop reading these sites, but the reality is actual indie game devs who are only getting by by the skin of their teeth are being hamstrung by these gaming journalists because a lot of people happen to read them. If you like or enjoy video games in any way, and want them to continue to be fun, artful and [b]good[/b] any time into the future, then you must support GamerGate and denounce corrupt journalistic practices designed to sell shitty games for massive profit through false advertising and reporting. They are actively bullying and shitting on game devs that don't support their agenda if they can't force them to make games that agree with them[/QUOTE] ALSO: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1431809[/url] Gaming Journalist fired from Destructoid after warning about suicide attempt. This is the big one that has everything in it since it's about the exact same thing as the reaction to GamerGate that happened about a year ago and has been highly reported on. [url]http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/457741/GamerGatethe_free_ride_is_over[/url] Game dev and author who gets harrased by people linked to Kotaku [quote]So the wife of one of the people who got banned (who was, btw, the original editor-in-chief of Kotaku – I must have missed the article with the headline “Former Kotaku editor banned for stalking, harassing game developer”), wrote a fake review of my book which claimed that it was a racist book in which the heroes were building a fence to keep dark-skinned people out. [b]Only one problem: My book has no fence and there are no dark-skinned people in the book. They made it up. Completely.[/b][/quote] [url]http://i.imgur.com/XILc1jy.jpg[/url] Deleted tweets by Liana K [Quote] The Witcher 3. It's made of rape.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1scdev7[/URL] website getting harassed and defamed for criticizing gaming journalists [QUOTE]On October 1, 2014, I made a single tweet to Kevin VanOrd (@fiddlecub) regarding his tweet regarding his use of a certain developer's suicide to smear GamerGate. The tweet can be found here: [url]https://twitter.com/Ash_Effect/status/517538095747461120[/url] For anyone not in the know, this was a quote from Joseph Nye Welch against Joseph McCarthy when the latter resorted to increasingly morally dubious methods of eliminating political and ideological opponents. My hope was that Mr. VanOrd would realize his actions were harmful, self-interested, and in poor taste. Mr. VanOrd set his account to protected shortly after I sent this tweet. On October 2, 2014, Mr. VanOrd accused me of harassing him, despite the fact that I made one single tweet at him, and no more. In his accusation (which can be read here: [url]https://twitter.com/fiddlecub/status/517804882544189441[/url]), he tagged the RPGFan twitter account (@rpgfancom) and the Editor-in-Chief of the site, John McCarroll (@johngofett) in an attempt to defame the site and frame my colleagues as tacitly condoning harassment despite the fact that I had made only a single tweet at him. Mr. VanOrd's actions only prove that GamerGate opponents cannot handle criticism, and seek to silence them by strong-arming those in positions above them. Perhaps Mr. VanOrd was offended by my choice of words. Perhaps he resented being compared to a politician whose use of ideological smear tactics had his name go down in infamy as a political villain. Perhaps he believed I was mocking him. However, a single tweet of criticism is NOT harassment in any way, shape, or form. Seeking to professionally silence anyone who criticizes you means only that you fear what they have to say.[/QUOTE] [url]http://theralphretort.com/the-silverstring-agenda/[/url] Editorial on SilverString Media (take from it what you like) [QUOTE]Ask yourself why so many radical feminists hold positions of prominence within the pantheon of gaming journalism. While there are radical feminists who write about all sorts of things, no one takes them as serious as the video game industry seems to. You don’t see Hollywood giving a shit about what this crowd says, so why should we? There also seems to be a much higher percentage of video game writers who hold extremist feminist views, when compared to film, TV, or politics. This can partially be attributed to the lack of prominent outlets for vidya writing, but that’s not the only cause. For years, there has been a concerted effort by the Silverstring types to install these people into positions of prominence. But they don’t just want them featured. The Agenda wants us silenced as well. That’s why debate is quashed, discussions are closed, and those who disagree are exiled and shunned. They even shit on their paying customers. And what exactly is it they want to do to gaming? Why have they focused so much attention where it isn’t even warranted? Gaming is not trans-phobic, and gaming is not anti-woman. That’s who they claim they’re fighting for. In reality, they’re fighting for their own bank account. Women have made games for years, and have always had prominent representation in the art. The things they talk about, either I’ve never witnessed, or it’s exaggerated to such an extreme as to be laughable. Scenarios such as being forced out of your home over scary tweets, while at the same time sitting on Twitter and cracking wise about the “nerds” and “Destiny killed GamerGate,” do not make sense. You always seem to get the sickening feeling that these people have a long distant relationship with the truth.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]And what of the journos, who are supposed to present both sides of the story, and give all parties a fair hearing? Half of them are in on the Silverstring Agenda themselves. They can’t police anyone or conduct themselves professionally, because the foundation of their own house is so rotten. Here’s what passes for journalism these days: Journo and media donate to each other, give each other jobs, shout down anyone who disagrees with them, and still deny any problems. They take swag off companies, talk to each other on secret email lists where they decide the news, and fuck the subjects of their coverage. Afterwards, they say, “nothing to see here.” They have a ton of extremists in their ranks, but call GamerGate monsters. It baffles my mind how the mainstream media lets them get away with it, but it really shouldn’t. They’ve been shit my entire adult life, and have been actively dying for most of it. They mean nothing to gamers and our community You know who gamers listen to? Other gamers. We don’t have to accept their twisted spin. Reject it, and them.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.brightsideofnews.com/2014/09/19/inside-the-secret-world-of-games-journalism/[/url] GameJournoPros leak [QUOTE]Evidence has mounted that gaming journalists from key publications like Kotaku, Ars Technica and Polygon have been colluding with one another to control industry-wide news coverage, adding further credence to the widespread belief that biased agenda-pushing is running rampant in the field. According to reports from Breitbart, a number of high-profile journalists communicate with one another via a private Google Groups e-mail listing known as “Games Journo Pros“, where they discuss what to write about, what to include, and more importantly, what to omit.[/QUOTE] [url]https://medium.com/@ryansmithwriter/a-lack-of-critical-distance-b021f84ca0c3[/url] Independent study that suggests gaming journalists are too closely knit. [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/18/The-emails-that-prove-video-games-journalism-must-be-reformed[/url] [quote]But quite how absurdly close to their subjects some gaming journalists are has been laid bare in black and white thanks to the leak of hundreds of emails from this private mailing list, which has been used by some games industry journalists to aggressively influence the opinions, policies and reporting priorities of other publications. The emails below, copied verbatim from a chain about games developer Zoe Quinn and shared with Breitbart London by a sympathetic source in the games industry, spell out in disturbing detail how gaming journalists threw objectivity out of the window and became cheerleaders for Quinn after it was revealed that she had started a sexual relationship with a journalist just days after she appeared in his reporting. Not only did at least one of their number have sex with Quinn, but, in an astonishing breach of critical distance, games journalists can be seen in the leaked emails proposing that members of the list together to purchase her a "feel better" gift, and even a "signed letter of support." They call her ex-boyfriend, on whom Quinn cheated with five other men in the games industry, a "psychopath," asking why a VICE interview with him wasn't more hostile. [/quote] [url]http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/09/indie-games-fest-allegedly-caught-in-gamergate-corruption-scandal/[/url] IGF Scandal, the video of it was taken down More IGF Evidence: [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0L0IsnCAAAIp-j.jpg[/img] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0LxHtuCAAE2bPq.png[/img] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0L0IwgCQAATz6D.png[/img] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0L0IqmCMAAbvbK.png[/img] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/FPuD0pC.jpg[/thumb]

So was Angry Joe Pro Gamergate and now turned Anti?

[QUOTE=Xonax;46273718]So was Angry Joe Pro Gamergate and now turned Anti?[/QUOTE] I think he is just confused on what Gamergate is, since has rejected the Anti-GG side as well: [img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/angryjoeisconfused_zpse79f5beb.png[/img]

so neutral gg then thats good at least

Neutral is probably as good as you can hope for and I'm not against that. No need for a ridiculous us and them mentality, as long as he's for the core cause then he's good, even if I find Angry Joe obnoxious as fuck. It sucks that anti-GG is in full slander mode and is more focussed on belittling the movement than anything else, but as long as the message gets out there then I couldn't care less. It reminds me a bit of many feminism arguments, how the core idea should be easy to sell but the movement being associated with all kinds of bullshit makes it difficult. Arguing against slander is never easy, so you ask whether the goals or the movement itself is more important. If it's the goals, then forget movements and labels and just try to get the message through from a neutral standpoint.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46273604][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/71crK11.png[/IMG] [B]WEAPONIZED CHARITY[/B][/QUOTE] $20 bills for everyone!

[QUOTE=Fangz;46272680]I feel ToddInTheShadows has [url=https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/523546108329734144]manipulated this whole situation[/url]. as he was the one who set this off by dragging Jew Wario into this. [img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/ToddSpeaksforthedead_zpsf4986cfb.png[/img][/QUOTE] a friend who's I hoped wouldn't be like they say sjw, posted this in agreeing with the link. [url]https://storify.com/ShadowTodd/why-i-do-not-believe-that-gamergate-actually-conde[/url] hopefully there's an archive so don't touch before going. he or she uses text and quote, go via proxy or archive. They are trolling hard, then painting the narrative GG is a hate group. For instance it's the twitter account that had "if you donating to anti bulling why not LW1, LW2, LW3", also states the charity is a way to shame the gawker employee. Then doing a tally of comments back to say GG is a hate group who is censoring people and pretty much everything else.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46273604][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/71crK11.png[/IMG] [B]WEAPONIZED CHARITY[/B][/QUOTE] So if i donate money to help women in someway for Pro-GG, does that still make me sexist in the eyes of Anti-GG?

Yes. You're tricked into donating for a cause that doesn't actually believe what it preaches, kind of like some canadian chick or sth

[QUOTE=Craptasket;46273073]whos lazy?[/QUOTE] all knowing all hearing [i]never sleeping[/i]

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;46274162]all knowing all hearing [i]never sleeping[/i][/QUOTE] Santa Claus! What's my prize? [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;46273604][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/71crK11.png[/IMG] [B]WEAPONIZED CHARITY[/B][/QUOTE] "Guys, ZQ's donation jar is running low, please donate money so you don't look like sexist assholes!"

[QUOTE=Zet;46274260] "Guys, ZQ's donation jar is running low, please donate money so you don't look like sexist assholes!"[/QUOTE] Which is funny because I'm pretty sure that that dude is ZQ's current boyfriend, and comes from a pretty rich background to boot. Maybe his parents cut him off after they saw hoe much of an ass he is.

todays joke is a gawker email sent to staff about using twitter [url]http://jimromenesko.com/2014/10/17/gawker-memo-i-dont-want-to-tell-you-what-to-tweet-but/[/url] [QUOTE]From: Joel Johnson Date: Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:55 PM Subject: Misunderstandings To: All Staff I don’t want to tell you what to tweet. But I do want you to think about how your tweets can be perceived without context. I’m as guilty as anyone about using Twitter as a place for absurdity and trolling among friends, but the last couple of days have made it clear how people are willing to conflate personal tweets as official company statements. If it’s willful conflation, then there’s nothing to be done. But try to keep in mind when a tweet could be innocently misinterpreted—and then don’t tweet. I’ll be thinking about our need for an official policy about tweeting, including possibly determining that we still don’t need one. But the fact that I’m sending this email should indicate the degree to which errant joke tweets have become a pain in the ass. Of course, this applies everywhere. This isn’t about cottoning to the fallacy of our age (ask Slackbot for details). This is about making sure that people can’t use our own ideas and words to undermine the truth of what we’re trying to say. That obviously applies to our own sites; increasingly, it seems that applies to everywhere we speak on the Internet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]From: Joel Johnson Date: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Misunderstandings To: Tommy Craggs Cc: All Staff In a vacuum, I don’t care for ever having to worry about public criticism. And while advertisers are too skittish—I just spent a week in SF talking to marketing people about why they shouldn’t care if they get a few knocks on posts or in comments, unless what we write is actually incorrect—we have to pick which hills to die on. Making a silly tweet about bullying during National Anti-Bullying Month gave a bunch of people with no clear agenda besides generating chaos a lot of easy ammunition. Especially when we’d been leading the conversation on our sites over the last couple of weeks. I meant what I wrote. It grates on me personally, because like you, I don’t like anyone ever proscribing what I can or can’t say—especially dumb jokes. But this company is for all of us, and when it’s a choice between not tweeting a joke (or apologizing for it to show we can be gracious to even those that aren’t gracious or even rational) and I’d rather shrug it off and put our effort against what we actually do, which is to write pieces that can’t be misconstrued as saying something they are not. This is a concession, no doubt. But it’s not without a consideration of a longer view. I don’t think this one was worth fighting for. Maybe I’m wrong, though. Maybe they’re all worth fighting for. But hewing to ideological stricture hasn’t always served me well, and I’m trying to figure out how and when to just walk away. ________________ From: Nick Denton Date: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Misunderstandings To: Joel Johnson Cc: Tommy Craggs, All Staff Amen.[/QUOTE] [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] also [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/QW09r28.png[/IMG][B][/B]

A number?! Impressive.