Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=46277478#post46277478"]Wii60 posted:[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Zo7bHmo.jpg[/IMG] I wondered when this what going to happen, I figured it would be a fighting game tournament. [QUOTE] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=46277340#post46277340"]Jamsponge posted:[/URL] I find it bizarre how the anti-GG representation of GamerGate is that it's a movement full of hate for anyone who doesn't support them, artificially creating an 'Us vs Them' mentality with censorship abound and a lot of abuse flung at people for which the harassers face no consequence. ... It almost sounds like they're projecting. [/QUOTE] They are. Actually, literally. For every diet-sociopath™ like Alexander who not only drink but think the kool-aid ain't strong enough to serve to everyone else yet (except black and brown people and women whom don't want to be militant, and especially BLACK AND BROWN WOMEN, SERIOUSLY FUCK THOSE GUYS) there are people who figured they could skate past journalism school or had a genuine love of games (or both) and wanted to make a career out of it, fast forward five-12 years give or take, and you have genuine evidence that if someone in a position to make or break your very life and livelihood tells you something long enough, not only will you begin to enjoy doing it, you'll jump in right along, and even bark the loudest to show you're true blue down for the cause; wouldn't want a little thing like loyalty issue costing you that mortgage you can't really afford but the house is so nice and right next to a really good school... [QUOTE] MSNBC [/QUOTE] will be defending apologists right until the very end, they are by far the most buddy buddy with the group in question. Why anyone would think they're going to get a fair hearing there is beyond me. Check out the amount of Rolling Stone alumni on their employment list, Rolling Stone stopped reporting and started telling people what to think in the mid 80s, much less now.

you dun fucked up those quote tags

Actually that was cloudflare, [udina]I AM INNOCENT, I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG THIS IS AN OUTRAGE [/udina]

Liana K & ZQ had a scuffle on twitter: [url]https://twitter.com/redlianak/status/523896292481986561[/url] Led to ZQ ragequitting twitter for the day (so far) along with a couple of other guilt tripping tweets: [url]https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/523906573455065088[/url]

[QUOTE=Reimu;46278659]Liana K & ZQ had a scuffle on twitter: [url]https://twitter.com/redlianak/status/523896292481986561[/url] Led to ZQ ragequitting twitter for the day (so far) along with a couple of other guilt tripping tweets: [url]https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/523906573455065088[/url][/QUOTE] Nice!

let the ones starved for attention fight for attention and anti-gg will pretty much burn itself out.

so some guy that is pro-gg got doxxed [IMG]https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBheaHR0cDovLzMzLm1lZGlhLnR1bWJsci5jb20vY2VmY2U2YWU2MWFhMTIxYTYxZTdkOTZmZTM3NzYzZWEvdHVtYmxyX25kY285aWg1UGkxdGtocm9lbzFfNTAwLnBuZxTABxSGCwAWABIA&s=SAhWfMUrLg9feyE0U8Bf9lyGhkOstOejXYncr3xHDC8[/IMG] he found out who doxxed him and called the 16 yr old girl responsible, the result? [url]http://hokuto-ju-no-ken.tumblr.com/post/99774092444/well-that-was-a-surprisingly-real-phonecall[/url] [QUOTE]Well that was a surprisingly real phonecall. Talked with her mom about what happened and what she did, then her mom made the girl herself get on the phone and apologize. I just asked her why she did it and she didn’t really have an answer. Talked to her for a little bit on how this can really hurt people and ruin lives. She said she just wanted to be a good feminist Talked a bit on what it means to be socially responsible, and how if she really wanted to make a positive change she wouldn’t do stuff like this Her mom was terrified I was gonna press charges or something, but I said nah, I’m not gonna ruin anyone’s life like that. She did get grounded from the internet for a couple of weeks, though. She doesn’t seem like a bad kid, just really misguided and very impressionable. Last thing I said to her was that if anyone ever makes her think that helping someone ever means hurting someone else, they’re not interested in helping anyone and they probably don’t care what happens to her. She said she was sorry, cried some, said she’ll never do it again and then she said something that really kinda just… I dunno, shocked me? She asked “Do you hate me?” and I said “No” and she just cried more and said she was sorry. I asked her to remember that there are real, living people with real feelings at every computer and she said she’d try to. I feel bad for her, really. People really lead her to believe what she did was an appropriate thing to do. That’s a failure and lack of social responsible on the fucking internet and its call out culture. She’s just as much a victim as I was.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Durrsly;46264844]I felt the same when Awkward Zombie came out against Gamergate. [B]Kazerad is Pro-GG[/B] so that cushioned the blow for me.[/QUOTE] Quoting this because I missed the bolded part when I first read it and I thought others might have as well. It's great news. [URL="http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/99894002228/words"]Tumblr post from Kazerad confirming it[/URL] Ctrl+F GamerGate if you don't feel like reading the whole thing.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46277262]they threw the NRA into #gamergate how can anyone be anti-gg.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? how?

[QUOTE=Wii60;46278962]so some guy that is pro-gg got doxxed [IMG]https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBheaHR0cDovLzMzLm1lZGlhLnR1bWJsci5jb20vY2VmY2U2YWU2MWFhMTIxYTYxZTdkOTZmZTM3NzYzZWEvdHVtYmxyX25kY285aWg1UGkxdGtocm9lbzFfNTAwLnBuZxTABxSGCwAWABIA&s=SAhWfMUrLg9feyE0U8Bf9lyGhkOstOejXYncr3xHDC8[/IMG] he found out who doxxed him and called the 16 yr old girl responsible, the result? [url]http://hokuto-ju-no-ken.tumblr.com/post/99774092444/well-that-was-a-surprisingly-real-phonecall[/url][/QUOTE] That happened a while ago. I wanted to bring it up myself but I never got around to it. Here were some other discussions brought up by that person. [URL]http://hokuto-ju-no-ken.tumblr.com/post/100015376374/jakerk17-leverpuller-jakerk17[/URL] This one is him talking about social justice and "corrupt social justice". [URL]http://hokuto-ju-no-ken.tumblr.com/post/100059428694/st-unpc-slagarthefox-hokuto-ju-no-ken[/URL] This one is him talking about "feminism". He manages to put it into words better than I would've wanted.

so is Liana K like a really big part of this shit now? my ma is a huge pal with liana and also hugely anti-gg so I can't tell if Liana's actually doing bad stuff I'm far too apathetic to care. My whole family is hardcore sjw. I came out pretty opposite. I blame 4chan raising me

[url]https://twitter.com/ProfessorF[/url] a acedemic professor with phd is pro gg [url]https://twitter.com/ProfessorF/status/523814090729193473[/url] [QUOTE]More not-so-subtle attacks on #GamerGate. Now your "association robs you of credibility" -- wow. Like the Tea Party. [/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/ProfessorF/status/523829266689978369[/url] [QUOTE]The #GamerGate concern for "journalism ethics" is fundamentally a concern for maintaining "competitive markets", which is a good thing.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/ProfessorF/status/523826308258594816[/url] [QUOTE]#GamerGate ultimately is about individualism vs socialism. About the market vs. having a small group of elitists dictate the industry.[/QUOTE] [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] anti-gg sexually harasses a minor on twitter [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9MIbpbB.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;46279129]so is Liana K like a really big part of this shit now?[/QUOTE] liana k hasn't been relevant for a while now. she is a concern troll. she appeared to be pro-gg until she was called out on a stream she was a part of for constantly derailing the discussion, and making a lot of things about her. as soon as she was called out she went anti-gg. she probably doesnt give a shit either way and is just hungry for attention.

[QUOTE]She asked “Do you hate me?” and I said “No” and she just cried more and said she was sorry.[/QUOTE] If this story is true, this is quite sweet.

i still don't see how someone could look into this in any sort of fashion and come out with the idea that gamergate is some kind of misogynist campaign, and i double don't see how someone could come out with the idea that it is only holding the facade of being about ethics in journalism while truly being a misogynistic harassment campaign. for a massive, leaderless, decentralized movement to have some cabal of hidden men pulling the strings behind the curtain, there would need to be a fuckton of resources and planning involved. far more resources and planning than anyone but the most insane would be able to put into place for the end-goal to be "harass women". i mean, it is physically possible but so unfeasible it should be discounted by any amount of looking into both sides. the journalists, though, have a perfect set up for looking really fucking suspicious. they have an obvious motive to try and influence the narrative away from the movement being about game journalism ethics (because again, barely looking into it and you're bound to find a bunch of Grade A Shady Shit) to it being a harassment campaign. they have nothing to defend themselves with if ever questioned about their ethics. since they already are the media, it doesn't take nearly as much effort or resources for it to influence the counter-movement from behind the scenes (or rather in front of the scenes because they suck at hiding shit) because they control the flow of information to their counter-movement, and they can all point to sources with actual facts about corruption and lack of ethics and say "no, they're wrong, they're the enemy, do not listen to them" as well as silence dissenting voices through character assassinations, blacklisting, and straight up censoring (all of which have been done and can be proven.) and the best part for them is anyone with them in the counter-movement will have a hard time questioning them because they are seen as the leaders of the movement, and to question the leader of the movement would be to question the validity of the entire movement and people don't want to believe they are supporting the wrong side. the journalists are especially smart for pandering to the more-extreme social justice crowd because they are notorious for their toxic call-out culture, which would make people fear questioning the authority for being called out on something and ostracized. [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] of course that is probably one of the only smart things they have done since they have consistently shot themselves in the foot on a weekly basis

No, they understand. Sure there are ignorant people on both sides, absolutely no question. But the people at the core of both points on initial contention understand absolutely, unless they're literally crazy or 100% insulated (and trust me there are people, such as a couple at BWE, I'll get to that later) and at this point you can't work around that. The information is freely available, even if one side is continually attempting to groupthink and sanitize it. Problem with that is, gaming journalism and publisher marketing have been slanting information for [I]decades[/I], almost three now; nudge nudge wink wink, here's a little something in the mail, oh why thank you here's a little something at the next con, quick as you like, saynamoah. It's not just about social engineering by any stretch, and the people who were supposed to be minding the gates went over to the milkshake yard quite some time ago.

[QUOTE=Reimu;46277345]I agree. Pay close attention to how these journalists talk about gamers, especially when the insults become very personal. A lot of it is journalists projecting themselves onto gamers. That's, at least, what industry folks have told me in the past few weeks.[/QUOTE] Christ, they really are Law and Order Criminal Intent suspects. All it needs is Goren yelling at Aurthur Gilies until Giles admits he is a misogynist that constnatly jacks off to women in skimpy clothes and GG is a CI epsiode without the murder.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46278962]so some guy that is pro-gg got doxxed [IMG]https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBheaHR0cDovLzMzLm1lZGlhLnR1bWJsci5jb20vY2VmY2U2YWU2MWFhMTIxYTYxZTdkOTZmZTM3NzYzZWEvdHVtYmxyX25kY285aWg1UGkxdGtocm9lbzFfNTAwLnBuZxTABxSGCwAWABIA&s=SAhWfMUrLg9feyE0U8Bf9lyGhkOstOejXYncr3xHDC8[/IMG] he found out who doxxed him and called the 16 yr old girl responsible, the result? [url]http://hokuto-ju-no-ken.tumblr.com/post/99774092444/well-that-was-a-surprisingly-real-phonecall[/url][/QUOTE] "She said she just wanted to be a good feminist" Sweet jesus, I guess Feminism is really damn tainted now, Feminism means doxxing people and ruining lives to people now. [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] All this Anti-GamerGate stuff is really getting me riled up, I just want to sit them down and yell at them like a father mad at their kids, but that shit isn't gonna happen so any suggestions on what game that reduces stress and anger?

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46279312]i still don't see how someone could look into this in any sort of fashion and come out with the idea that gamergate is some kind of misogynist campaign.[/QUOTE] I can. It's extremely easy. 1% of a movement doing harassment sounds tiny but at this size, it's thousands of people. It's impossible to dismiss. All you need to be convinced from a position of knowing nothing is to see 100-1000 out of the 100,000 tweets without knowing the greater context.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46279298]liana k hasn't been relevant for a while now. she is a concern troll. she appeared to be pro-gg until she was called out on a stream she was a part of for constantly derailing the discussion, and making a lot of things about her. as soon as she was called out she went anti-gg. she probably doesnt give a shit either way and is just hungry for attention.[/QUOTE] you described liana k pretty o the dot given my interactions so there you go

ia stream, talks about athiesm+ controversy and parallels of it and #gamergate [video=youtube;inqcLXNlEes]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes[/video]

[QUOTE=truckilles;46279088]Wait, what? how?[/QUOTE] MSNBC is anti-gun ,they probabloy want to use the same arguments against GG against guns because they have very few of either ,hell next youll see GG be blamed for every shooting to ever happen.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46278962]so some guy that is pro-gg got doxxed [IMG]https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBheaHR0cDovLzMzLm1lZGlhLnR1bWJsci5jb20vY2VmY2U2YWU2MWFhMTIxYTYxZTdkOTZmZTM3NzYzZWEvdHVtYmxyX25kY285aWg1UGkxdGtocm9lbzFfNTAwLnBuZxTABxSGCwAWABIA&s=SAhWfMUrLg9feyE0U8Bf9lyGhkOstOejXYncr3xHDC8[/IMG] he found out who doxxed him and called the 16 yr old girl responsible, the result? [url]http://hokuto-ju-no-ken.tumblr.com/post/99774092444/well-that-was-a-surprisingly-real-phonecall[/url][/QUOTE] Man, that is heavy. Props to that guy though.

Anyone else think we need like, a DEFINITIVE fucking video? Like one that is condensed, has a lot of sources, and is to be redirected to for most things? [editline]19th October 2014[/editline] There is far too much highly opinionated people rambling incoherent nonsense about something they have NO FUCKING CLUE about.

[QUOTE=Ziron;46279399]Christ, they really are Law and Order Criminal Intent suspects. All it needs is Goren yelling at Aurthur Gilies until Giles admits he is a misogynist that constnatly jacks off to women in skimpy clothes and GG is a CI epsiode without the murder.[/QUOTE] I'm actually watching the SVU marathon dedicated to bullying and domestic violence as we speak.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46279949]That would make it a 6 hour long video that needs to be updated daily to reflect new findings and events while correction other information. Just to much work for anyone to do.[/QUOTE] Big things though, like the whole Wu situation. Examples of clear corruption, sources, and a big fat "NOBODY WHO IS REALLY GG SUPPORTS SEXISM AND ABUSE YOU CUNTS"

[QUOTE=Xonax;46279497]"She said she just wanted to be a good feminist" Sweet jesus, I guess Feminism is really damn tainted now, Feminism means doxxing people and ruining lives to people now.[/QUOTE] She's a teenager; their entire exitance is about doing stupid things and learning not to do them again. It's quite possible that a shut-in teenage girl who's only interaction with feminists are "all men hate women" nutjobs would think that things like doxxing are completely acceptable.

So I'm talking with [url=http://forum.canardpc.com/threads/92233-Le-gamergate-z-en-pensez-quoi?p=8265339&viewfull=1#post8265339]this guy[/url] who published an article in a French printed PC gaming magazine which claims that GG's agenda is to combat people who say bad things about videogames. He says that the movement is in fact trying to combat journalism that is out of the norm, using the example of GG putting pressure on Nintendo to blacklist Polygon because of Bayonetta 2's review. He also points to people making fun of Kotaku's article about a corrupted japanese journo, claiming that the hate against Kotaku was due to them criticizing some bad aspects of the gaming scene. In his last paragraph he also states that none of GG's accusations were targeted at actual cases of corruption. What would be the best collection of evidence towards the contrary that I could present him? [B]Edit:[/B] Oh also he claims that GameJournosPro isn't a proof of collusion, just some people sharing their thoughts.

[QUOTE=_Axel;46280005]So I'm talking with [URL="http://forum.canardpc.com/threads/92233-Le-gamergate-z-en-pensez-quoi?p=8265339&viewfull=1#post8265339"]this guy[/URL] who published an article in a French printed PC gaming magazine which claims that GG's agenda is to combat people who say bad things about videogames. He says that the movement is in fact trying to combat journalism that is out of the norm, using the example of GG putting pressure on Nintendo to blacklist Polygon because of Bayonetta 2's review. He also points to people making fun of Kotaku's article about a corrupted japanese journo, claiming that the hate against Kotaku was due to them criticizing some bad aspects of the gaming scene. In his last paragraph he also states that none of GG's accusations were targeted at actual cases of corruption. What would be the best collection of evidence towards the contrary that I could present him? [B]Edit:[/B] Oh also he claims that GameJournosPro isn't a proof of collusion, just some people sharing their thoughts.[/QUOTE] Show him Niero's and Orlands emails, and the response from the two people they bullied out of the business. It's literally cut and dried. [quote] collusion [/quote] That is literal and absolute bullshit. There are publically viewable emails showing tactics that they put into place after discussing them. It's not a fucking trade board, and neither was Tom Chick's Q23.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46280035]The 12 or so articles that got released on the same day. Don't except it to work or anything as review copies are more important. If it is not proof of corruption it is proof that it was more than just talking.[/QUOTE] Yeah he's not interested in that. He wants actual cases of corruption that were pointed out by GG. [QUOTE=27X;46280073]Show him Niero and Orlands emails, and the response from the two people they bullied out of the business. It's literally cut and dried.[/QUOTE] So [url=http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/10/gamergate-destructoid-corruption-and-ruined-careers/]this article[/url]?